Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

I read about this program several months ago and mentioned it here. What I read says that when finished, the Utah facility will have the capability of tracking, storeing, and catagorizing very bit of digital info (phone cals, gps, internet use, etc.) for every person in the US, and only use 10% of its capability.

Dont you just love your gubmint, careing so much about your well being.
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Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

AES-128 is a workhorse encryption that won't be broken any time in the foreseeable future and it is available to absolutely anyone. The entire project is ridiculous because they're going to collect an unfathomable assload of encrypted data which might or might not be useful. By the time in the unknown deep future they manage to break the encryption, the information will be worthless. They'll be sitting on so much shit they won't know what to do with the motherlode of crap they've swept up from everyone.

The only thing they're going to sweep up and benefit from immediately is information on what kind of porn people jerk off to, where we visit, and all the sort of basic personal data we don't want others to pry into. Anything important that people bother encrypting will remain mysterious until 50, 100, or 1000 years from now when it's absolutely worthless.
 
Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cesiumsponge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AES-128 is a workhorse encryption that won't be broken any time in the foreseeable future and it is available to absolutely anyone. The entire project is ridiculous because they're going to collect an unfathomable assload of encrypted data which might or might not be useful. By the time in the unknown deep future they manage to break the encryption, the information will be worthless. They'll be sitting on so much shit they won't know what to do with the motherlode of crap they've swept up from everyone.

The only thing they're going to sweep up and benefit from immediately is information on what kind of porn people jerk off to, where we visit, and all the sort of basic personal data we don't want others to pry into. Anything important that people bother encrypting will remain mysterious until 50, 100, or 1000 years from now when it's absolutely worthless. </div></div>


Well then
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I guess we can say a jovial "Fuck them.".
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Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

Just the concept seems self-defeating simply by the fact you're basically casting a net out there and reeling in absolutely EVERYTHING possible and sticking it on vast storage banks so you can recall it later? I can't imagine how you're going to make use of that much data that you have to sift through. It's like using a thousand atom bombs to catch a particular fish you're looking for. Now you have to sift through an ocean of dead fish to find the one you wanted. It's definitely not a cure-all for old-fashioned detective work. Hell, the NSA already has nodes at every major telecom company to intercept incoming and outgoing information. You have stuff like this going on which is probably more successful in intercepting traditional communications from scary terrorists: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70908

Assuming it was even feasible to crack today's encryptions, how do you know what encrypted data is important and what isn't if it's all encrypted? How do you allocate what resources to breaking what encryptions because even with a magic supercomputer, it's a finite resource with finite abilities that can't simply decrypt everything by lunch time. It just all seems silly to me. It's basically federal tax dollars going towards building a giant gleaming glass cock to show off. Then someone is going to come up with a better encryption system and it renders this facility useless.
 
Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"You are being watched,,,," - The opening statement to the tv show "Person of Interest".

So ya'll are saying that this is real? Or conceptually real? </div></div>

<span style="font-size: 20pt"> <span style="color: #CC0000"> Its Fucking Real, Homie</span> </span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And you are absolutely SURE that the NSA wasn't give a back door key to the encryption? Really? </div></div>
How do you prove a negative or shift the burden of proof to me and emphasizing it with "Really?" to make it seem like you have evidence to the contrary and that I'm crazy for even suggesting something contrary?

That only works with an assumption that every encryption algorithm developed includes a backdoor so the government has backdoor access or a weak point to attack. It also means a master key must exist for every encryption algorithm, which simply isn't the case because <span style="font-style: italic">anyone </span>(with the ability) can come up with their own encryption and write it how they see fit. The Rijndael cipher written by a couple of Belgians (not NSA spooks) won over a bunch of other competitors to become the AES standard but it isn't the only game in town. When the NIST held the AES competition, it was specifically for a "an unclassified, publicly disclosed encryption algorithm" which means it isn't secret and anyone can use it. It was an open competition to any cryptographers that wanted to participate to get their algorithm adopted as the AES standard. Unless they were all in on it and held back on some secret pinky swear stuff, it seems implausible.

That was the entire point. If you use an algorithm which is shrouded in mystery, you DO run the risk of the so called backdoors because you don't know what's actually in it and you're depending on the good faith of whatever company or individual(s) created it. It's also worth noting the algorithm itself and how you implement it are two different things. If you're using AES-256 and you implement the password by writing it on the thumbdrive with a sharpie, or use "secret" as the password, that's obviously poor implementation and no fault of the algorithm itself.

Finally, anyone can write their own encryption schemes. There is nothing stopping you from writing your own encryption. And people do just that. There is tons of stuff out there. TrueCrypt is very popular and completely open source option, if you're paranoid about AES. Unless the government got to them too. At least it seems no one gave the FBI the backdoor key. You're better off waterboarding and zapping nipples to get the password.

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http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/
http://g1.globo.com/English/noticia/2010/06/not-even-fbi-can-de-crypt-files-daniel-dantas.html

Of course, if we're to believe the NSA has some secret computational weapon that is generations ahead of what is currently theoretically possible or probable given our current manufacturing and computational capabilities, then there is little point in debating it since nothing can be proven and anyone that uncovers such a thing will be quietly chaparoned away by men in black vans. If the NSA has a secret backdoor, it renders everything the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and the entire commerce sector obsolete because AES is widely used and alphabet soup agencies surely aren't going to embrace an encryption scheme that is an open book to the NSA. They all hate sharing information.
 
Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

NSA is not denying the building of this million sq.ft cyber security center in Utah . They are just denying the possibility of using on it's own citizens . But own government continually tries to pass legislation like SOPA and CISPA to do what it likes inside it's boarders . Then what does that say ?
Or our government being so dependent on security encryption for national security. Would they not considers any security encryption they are not in shared or direct control of a Threat ? And with vigilance attempt to control and store even if it is communication and information of private industry and citizens ?
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Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

Encryption - why crack it when you can buy a back door? Where is the downside to the creator? It isn't like either the creator or the Gov is going to discuss the matter. Infact, they are both more likely put out propaganda about how hard it is to crack.

Layered Efforts - while I have no proof, I would not doubt that Facebook is at best a cooperative project with the Gov, at worst - an outright Gov program. Depending on the demographic, most have an account. Most of those are clueless and provide a breadcrumb trail which details who they are, who they are connected to, predictable behavior, and personal info. Additionally, they even provide the machine clues about those in their family / circle that do not even participate in FB.

Storage is now cheap enough so as to make this possible. I think it is incorrect to think that all data from all people will be processed on an ongoing basis. Instead I believe it will be saved until needed, and then used directly against you; or used to review connections from one individual to others as part of an investigation. I think the biggest thing is, given the manner which business / medicine / banking / school is transacted today - there is no way to opt out.

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Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

Back in the early 00s the government was working hard on building a database system to track everything about everyone, and the main point of it was to know what everybody did as a routine, like where you drove to for work, what your hobbies are, who your friends are, where you go for fun, where you worship, what political party you supported, how much money you made and when etc. As well as who you were linked to both directly and indirectly.

The goal was not to present all this information to the ones controlling it all the time (it could be pulled up anytime they wanted), but rather to flag people that did something out of their normal routine or started meeting up with somebody new etc, and if they did decide to take a look, they could pull up links to everyone you may be associated with and see what they were doing as well.

Facebook started becoming popular a bit after that & I can't help but think that somebody in the government just said "Why are we spending all this time and effort to track people when we can just open up a website with a geeky frontman as the creator and have everybody around the world give us all their details for free?"
 
Re: Stellar Wind & profile of William Binney

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back in the early 00s the government was working hard on building a database system to track everything about everyone, and the main point of it was to know what everybody did as a routine, like where you drove to for work, what your hobbies are, who your friends are, where you go for fun, where you worship, what political party you supported, how much money you made and when etc. As well as who you were linked to both directly and indirectly.

The goal was not to present all this information to the ones controlling it all the time (it could be pulled up anytime they wanted), but rather to flag people that did something out of their normal routine or started meeting up with somebody new etc, and if they did decide to take a look, they could pull up links to everyone you may be associated with and see what they were doing as well.

Facebook started becoming popular a bit after that & I can't help but think that somebody in the government just said "Why are we spending all this time and effort to track people when we can just open up a website with a geeky frontman as the creator and have everybody around the world give us all their details for free?" </div></div>

And then buy stock for twice what its worth (if its really worth anything), and then drops 50% immediately. It would be, in its own way, beautiful. Dark, but beautiful.
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