Stove pipe malfunctions

[kentactic]

Ive done alot of detailed research and training on the best combat way to do all sorts of things with a pistol. and one that isnt 100% resolved to me is Stove pipe malfunctions.

As far as im concerned there are two legit ways to be considered as to how to clear a stove pipe in combat.

Version A: when a stove pipe occurs you take your support hand and flatten it out like you would to high five some one and then wrap it around the front of the slide and in a fast strong motion drag it back across the slide.

Version B: when a stove pipe occurs take your support hand and rack the slide in order to eject the stove piped case aswell as the next partially chambered round.

now here are the faults with both versions.

Version A requires the slide to have grabbed another round to go into battery once you pull the stove pipe out. if the slide did not go back far enough to grab another round which very well could happen because a stove pipe often can mean the slide was under powered from a weak round or something like that so if this happens once you clear the stove pipe you now have a closed slide on an empty chamber.

the problem with Version B is that if the slide has brought another round in but the ejector hasnt engaged it when you rack the slide you now have a much worse malfunction that is called a double feed. the second problem with Version B is that if the slide did not grab another round when you rack it the stove pipe is likely to stay put. this just means youll have to once again rack the slide now that you have a round chambering in order to finally eject that round along with the stove pipe.

so what do you guys tend to use as your stove pipe clearing technique? remember this is purely combat scenario.

as it is right now i feel version A is more fool proof and i know its MUCH faster. but both versions have chance for fatal error.

also if you have your own technique please describe that.

kenny

 

[Lindy]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

The first step of my standard malfunction technique is to tap the magazine, rack the slide, and reasses/attempt to fire.

The second part of the procedure is to drop/extract the magazine, locking the slide to the rear if necessary, rack the slide 3 times, reload the extracted mag or a new one, and carry on.

With practice, both of those steps, which should be executed while seeking cover, can be done sufficiently quickly that it is faster to execute the entire procedure than to have to think about what needs to be done.

What I want is unconscious competence in reducing malfunctions, which can only be achieved with lots of practice, leaving my tiny, little, old, brain time and processing power for other tasks.

A single procedure reduces decision time.

Just my opinion - and my policy.

 

[Redmanss]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

Lindy is right on track with the technique I use and instruct, with a slight change in order on the remedial action. Remedial action is of course performed after the immediate action described above.

We will first (after seeking cover) lock the slide to the rear, then remove the magazine. The reason for this is to relieve pressure off the magazine and also giving a point to push the magazine out if necessary.

Also, after racking three times, we train to perform a quick visual (physical in darkness) inspection prior to reloading in the event the failure is due to a broken extractor or anything else causing a casing to remain inside the chamber. Other than that, exactly as described above.

We do virtually these same steps for every semi-auto weapon, including rifles, we utilize. K.I.S.S.

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

Actually we train to clear a failure to eject (not to be confused by a failure to extract) by combining your two seperate actions. A firm support hand brush across the ejection port towards the operator to clear the case followed by a tap-rack and subsequent bang. As mentioned, there are other options, of course YMMV.

 

[kentactic]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

i know its pretty common practice to just tap rack when you have an unknown malfuntion but this would be assuming you notice a case sticking out of the gun. in that case doing a tap/rack could perhaps further worsen your problem as shown in Version B.

but in tap/racks defense i havent been able to get a failure to eject to happen by hand while stripping a round off that the extractor didnt engage the case. nor have i been able to get the stove pipe to re-occur when i rack the slide without a round chambering.

perhaps the chances of the much worse malfunctions happening are less important then the bigger chance of the shooter screwing up trying to remember what he was suppose to do when he saw a case sticking out of his gun.

 

[kraigWY]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

Toss the pistol and pick up a revolver.

Seriously Lindy has it. Just takes practice. It was part of our qualification.

 

[Jim_D303]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

Wiping doesn't work on horizontally trapped brass, it'll just cut up your hand.

I usually tap/rack and hold to the rear while rolling it to the side, then let go of the slide once I observe the brass coming free. YMMV.

 

[kentactic]

Re: Stove pipe malfunctions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim D</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wiping doesn't work on horizontally trapped brass, it'll just cut up your hand</div></div>

not true. perhaps its different from gun to gun because of slide design but its no issue with a glock. ive done it many of times in simulated malfunctions. i can stick the case in as far as it will go with no round chambering and it wipes right out. and id do it in a real malfunction if i could just get a glock to some how malfunction.. what do all the 1911 guys do? ....lol just kidding...kinda..