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Rifle Scopes Super Sniper Scopes ???
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Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
No, new Tascos pretty much suck. Back in the day Tasco used to make some nice scopes, the Super Snipers and the World Class Pluss series, were both pretty good. I believe Tasco was purchased by a competitor and they only makes cheapo stuff now.
The new Super Snipers you see are not Tascos...SWFA bought the rights and has theirs built to identical design and specs as the originals.
You can find them at <span style="text-decoration: underline">www.swfa.com</span>.
No, new Tascos pretty much suck. Back in the day Tasco used to make some nice scopes, the Super Snipers and the World Class Pluss series, were both pretty good. I believe Tasco was purchased by a competitor and they only makes cheapo stuff now.
The new Super Snipers you see are not Tascos...SWFA bought the rights and has theirs built to identical design and specs as the originals.
You can find them at <span style="text-decoration: underline">www.swfa.com</span>.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
That is fine, when you get them from SWFA you get the old Tasco booklet you should be GTG
That is fine, when you get them from SWFA you get the old Tasco booklet you should be GTG
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And they are one of the best buys out there. </div></div>
The old ones were a great buy. The new 10X is $800. For $145 more you can get a USO ST-10.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And they are one of the best buys out there. </div></div>
The old ones were a great buy. The new 10X is $800. For $145 more you can get a USO ST-10.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
Humungus,
The old SWFA Super Sniper's are still being made:
10x42mm Rear Focus $320.
10x42mm Side Focus $420.
The new 10x42mm HD is the one that's $800. And yes, a base ST-10 is $945. But the base ST-10 does not have HD glass nor parallax adjustment for that price. The ST-10 does have more options than a Las Vegas hooker, and can be made up into a very nice scope.
But those options will stretch the ST-10 into a $300-400 more expensive scope than the SS 10x42mm HD.
Humungus,
The old SWFA Super Sniper's are still being made:
10x42mm Rear Focus $320.
10x42mm Side Focus $420.
The new 10x42mm HD is the one that's $800. And yes, a base ST-10 is $945. But the base ST-10 does not have HD glass nor parallax adjustment for that price. The ST-10 does have more options than a Las Vegas hooker, and can be made up into a very nice scope.
But those options will stretch the ST-10 into a $300-400 more expensive scope than the SS 10x42mm HD.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
the new ones are made by SWFA in japan. They are great glasses ( I have the 3-9 42 x ffp). best bang for the buck.
the new ones are made by SWFA in japan. They are great glasses ( I have the 3-9 42 x ffp). best bang for the buck.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GO-FASTER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so dont buy this 20x new in box ?
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A fixed 20X isn't a very flexible scope and may be a little dark and picky on eye relief with that small of an exit pupil. They have their place, but a field rifle usually isn't it.
That said I like the 16X's......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GO-FASTER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so dont buy this 20x new in box ?
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A fixed 20X isn't a very flexible scope and may be a little dark and picky on eye relief with that small of an exit pupil. They have their place, but a field rifle usually isn't it.
That said I like the 16X's......
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GO-FASTER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so dont buy this 20x new in box ?
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A fixed 20X isn't a very flexible scope and may be a little dark and picky on eye relief with that small of an exit pupil. They have their place, but a field rifle usually isn't it.
That said I like the 16X's......
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the scope will be for 800-1000 yard shots only
the scope is $240 shipped new what do you think?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GO-FASTER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so dont buy this 20x new in box ?
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A fixed 20X isn't a very flexible scope and may be a little dark and picky on eye relief with that small of an exit pupil. They have their place, but a field rifle usually isn't it.
That said I like the 16X's......
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the scope will be for 800-1000 yard shots only
the scope is $240 shipped new what do you think?
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
Get a new one from SWFA or a used one on here but in 10X. you don't need anymore unless your doing BR shooting.
Get a new one from SWFA or a used one on here but in 10X. you don't need anymore unless your doing BR shooting.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Humungus,
The old SWFA Super Sniper's are still being made:
10x42mm Rear Focus $320.
10x42mm Side Focus $420.
The new 10x42mm HD is the one that's $800. And yes, a base ST-10 is $945. But the base ST-10 does not have HD glass nor parallax adjustment for that price. The ST-10 does have more options than a Las Vegas hooker, and can be made up into a very nice scope.
But those options will stretch the ST-10 into a $300-400 more expensive scope than the SS 10x42mm HD. </div></div>
So are you saying that SS HD glass is better than USO glass? Dang I spent all that money on my USO and I could have bought a SS and had HD glass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Humungus,
The old SWFA Super Sniper's are still being made:
10x42mm Rear Focus $320.
10x42mm Side Focus $420.
The new 10x42mm HD is the one that's $800. And yes, a base ST-10 is $945. But the base ST-10 does not have HD glass nor parallax adjustment for that price. The ST-10 does have more options than a Las Vegas hooker, and can be made up into a very nice scope.
But those options will stretch the ST-10 into a $300-400 more expensive scope than the SS 10x42mm HD. </div></div>
So are you saying that SS HD glass is better than USO glass? Dang I spent all that money on my USO and I could have bought a SS and had HD glass.
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Not knocking the new SS's, but just what is HD glass?
GoFaster, I'd buy a 16X, and even with that mirage can mess with you if you plan on the barrel getting warm at all......
Not knocking the new SS's, but just what is HD glass?
GoFaster, I'd buy a 16X, and even with that mirage can mess with you if you plan on the barrel getting warm at all......
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Taken from another post by one-eyed jack
"HD" stands for High Definition. It should really be called low dispersion since one element in the objective lens uses glass that has lower chromatic dispersion (color separation) than normal optical glass. This is a problem in high magnification (long focal length) lenses used for cameras and results in color fringing - the separation of colors at the image plane.
When the objective lens uses low dispersion "HD" glass, it can be designed for less color separation and is sometimes called apochromatic. Since the colors don't separate as much, the image has higher resolution - you can see finer details. This is the source of the term "High Definition." However, I wonder how much improvement can be obtained with "HD" glass in a 10x scope.
IIRC, "HD" glass is softer than normal optical glass. If it's on the inside of the objective lens, there is no problem; if on the outside, then it would be more easily scratched and might be more of a problem in a tactical scope. Maybe someone knows whether this is correct or not, and whether coatings can be applied to protect it.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1327083&page=2
Taken from another post by one-eyed jack
"HD" stands for High Definition. It should really be called low dispersion since one element in the objective lens uses glass that has lower chromatic dispersion (color separation) than normal optical glass. This is a problem in high magnification (long focal length) lenses used for cameras and results in color fringing - the separation of colors at the image plane.
When the objective lens uses low dispersion "HD" glass, it can be designed for less color separation and is sometimes called apochromatic. Since the colors don't separate as much, the image has higher resolution - you can see finer details. This is the source of the term "High Definition." However, I wonder how much improvement can be obtained with "HD" glass in a 10x scope.
IIRC, "HD" glass is softer than normal optical glass. If it's on the inside of the objective lens, there is no problem; if on the outside, then it would be more easily scratched and might be more of a problem in a tactical scope. Maybe someone knows whether this is correct or not, and whether coatings can be applied to protect it.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1327083&page=2
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
SWFA still has the new SS 3x9 FFP special with all the extra's on Ebay. includes SS low rings,sun shade ,hat,ect.ect.. the scope has great glass for the money. I was quite pleased with my purchase.
SWFA still has the new SS 3x9 FFP special with all the extra's on Ebay. includes SS low rings,sun shade ,hat,ect.ect.. the scope has great glass for the money. I was quite pleased with my purchase.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Humungus,
The old SWFA Super Sniper's are still being made:
10x42mm Rear Focus $320.
10x42mm Side Focus $420.
The new 10x42mm HD is the one that's $800. And yes, a base ST-10 is $945. But the base ST-10 does not have HD glass nor parallax adjustment for that price. The ST-10 does have more options than a Las Vegas hooker, and can be made up into a very nice scope.
But those options will stretch the ST-10 into a $300-400 more expensive scope than the SS 10x42mm HD. </div></div>
So are you saying that SS HD glass is better than USO glass? Dang I spent all that money on my USO and I could have bought a SS and had HD glass. </div></div>
Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. But with the USO, you can order different reticles, knobs mil or moa, EREK, illumination and USO is certainly more rugged. But those options that make it better, cost more money. They take a $945. scope and turn it into a $1300. scope. The $1300. USO is "better" than the SS 10x42mm HD, and it should be.
You get what you pay for. But I do think that the $800. SS scope is a better deal than the $945 USO. It is the USO's mutiple options that take it to another level over and above the base SS offering.
IMHO, YMMV
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Humungus,
The old SWFA Super Sniper's are still being made:
10x42mm Rear Focus $320.
10x42mm Side Focus $420.
The new 10x42mm HD is the one that's $800. And yes, a base ST-10 is $945. But the base ST-10 does not have HD glass nor parallax adjustment for that price. The ST-10 does have more options than a Las Vegas hooker, and can be made up into a very nice scope.
But those options will stretch the ST-10 into a $300-400 more expensive scope than the SS 10x42mm HD. </div></div>
So are you saying that SS HD glass is better than USO glass? Dang I spent all that money on my USO and I could have bought a SS and had HD glass. </div></div>
Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. But with the USO, you can order different reticles, knobs mil or moa, EREK, illumination and USO is certainly more rugged. But those options that make it better, cost more money. They take a $945. scope and turn it into a $1300. scope. The $1300. USO is "better" than the SS 10x42mm HD, and it should be.
You get what you pay for. But I do think that the $800. SS scope is a better deal than the $945 USO. It is the USO's mutiple options that take it to another level over and above the base SS offering.
IMHO, YMMV
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. </div></div>
Please tell me what you are basing this opinion on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. </div></div>
Please tell me what you are basing this opinion on.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. </div></div>
Please tell me what you are basing this opinion on. </div></div>
Looking through a 10x42mm HD and an ST-10 37mm, both w/mark 1 eyeball. Lowlight's review. Comments from other owners here.
What else is there, other than buying both yourself, and doing you own damn tests?
Nobody, including me is attacking your purchase of a USO. And it is a better scope than the SS 10x42mm HD, IMHO, with ERGO ($200), EREK ($175.), Milscale GAP reticle ($86.), and illumination ($185.), all added. But that makes the USO ST-10 a $1591. scope, does it not??? And a bit more than your casual "only an extra $145." will buy you a "better" USO........
And good glass is one one function of a scope. It is an aiming device, not binoculars.
Both the ST-10 and the SS 10x42mm HD are fine scopes, and one could be happy with either, depending on your application.
You pay your money and make your choice......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. </div></div>
Please tell me what you are basing this opinion on. </div></div>
Looking through a 10x42mm HD and an ST-10 37mm, both w/mark 1 eyeball. Lowlight's review. Comments from other owners here.
What else is there, other than buying both yourself, and doing you own damn tests?
Nobody, including me is attacking your purchase of a USO. And it is a better scope than the SS 10x42mm HD, IMHO, with ERGO ($200), EREK ($175.), Milscale GAP reticle ($86.), and illumination ($185.), all added. But that makes the USO ST-10 a $1591. scope, does it not??? And a bit more than your casual "only an extra $145." will buy you a "better" USO........
And good glass is one one function of a scope. It is an aiming device, not binoculars.
Both the ST-10 and the SS 10x42mm HD are fine scopes, and one could be happy with either, depending on your application.
You pay your money and make your choice......
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
I'd wait for the larger range (~5-20X) SS variable. Sorry, I don't have any more details about it or when, but just have read that it's in the pipe and will come out as soon as SWFA is ready with it.
I'd wait for the larger range (~5-20X) SS variable. Sorry, I don't have any more details about it or when, but just have read that it's in the pipe and will come out as soon as SWFA is ready with it.
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. </div></div>
Please tell me what you are basing this opinion on. </div></div>
Looking through a 10x42mm HD and an ST-10 37mm, both w/mark 1 eyeball. Lowlight's review. Comments from other owners here.
What else is there, other than buying both yourself, and doing you own damn tests?
Nobody, including me is attacking your purchase of a USO. And it is a better scope than the SS 10x42mm HD, IMHO, with ERGO ($200), EREK ($175.), Milscale GAP reticle ($86.), and illumination ($185.), all added. But that makes the USO ST-10 a $1591. scope, does it not??? And a bit more than your casual "only an extra $145." will buy you a "better" USO........
And good glass is one one function of a scope. It is an aiming device, not binoculars.
Both the ST-10 and the SS 10x42mm HD are fine scopes, and one could be happy with either, depending on your application.
You pay your money and make your choice......
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I do find that hard to believe but I haven't looked through the SS HD yet. If we were to compare apples to apples the base ST-10 with Ergo would be the one to put up against the SS HD. The price difference is $345. Thats not much considering you would have a premium scope.
I don't have an ST-10 but was considering getting one. I do have an SN3 1.8 - 10 x 44 with Ergo and other bells a whistles. The optical quality is impressive especially in very low light.
I am curious if the SS HD has the same low light capabilities.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, I think the SS 10x42MM may have slightly "better" glass than the USO ST-10. </div></div>
Please tell me what you are basing this opinion on. </div></div>
Looking through a 10x42mm HD and an ST-10 37mm, both w/mark 1 eyeball. Lowlight's review. Comments from other owners here.
What else is there, other than buying both yourself, and doing you own damn tests?
Nobody, including me is attacking your purchase of a USO. And it is a better scope than the SS 10x42mm HD, IMHO, with ERGO ($200), EREK ($175.), Milscale GAP reticle ($86.), and illumination ($185.), all added. But that makes the USO ST-10 a $1591. scope, does it not??? And a bit more than your casual "only an extra $145." will buy you a "better" USO........
And good glass is one one function of a scope. It is an aiming device, not binoculars.
Both the ST-10 and the SS 10x42mm HD are fine scopes, and one could be happy with either, depending on your application.
You pay your money and make your choice......
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I do find that hard to believe but I haven't looked through the SS HD yet. If we were to compare apples to apples the base ST-10 with Ergo would be the one to put up against the SS HD. The price difference is $345. Thats not much considering you would have a premium scope.
I don't have an ST-10 but was considering getting one. I do have an SN3 1.8 - 10 x 44 with Ergo and other bells a whistles. The optical quality is impressive especially in very low light.
I am curious if the SS HD has the same low light capabilities.
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I'm going to date myself some here.......but I've been off of the grid for awhile....over the last few years I have had a ton of surgeries on my shoulder lost about 80% of use of right arm..not cool for a right handed shooter...blah blah blah.
I used to have almost daily contact with Chris Farris at SWFA via email...great guy. I got to know him and Super Sniper because I heard alot of good about them and so I went hunting for one. I found a few "outlets" selling the "REAL" SS scopes original as made by Tasco..brand new in box etc. I reported the frauds and phonies to Chris at SWFA. Got to know him some. For helping him protect his brand he sent me a box of t-shirts, cozies the whole deal....my reward. Now when I went to buy a SS for myself I found one that was a true SS new in box never mounted private party. I loved it!! Told Chris I was going to use it training future snipers and in my basic rifle training that I was volunteering to do for new recruits to the Army and the NAtional Guard..alot of people who joined would be doing their pre bootcamp PT training with their recruiter and then would come to e for firearms 101 and some current members who wanted to move up to a bolt action sniper role came for sniper 101 so to speak. I told Chris this and that I was going to do a write up(review) on the scope for a regional hunting mag..you now the old "hunters spend thounsands on hunts and hundred of hours and use a cheap rifle and $80 scope and can't range with mil dots deal" Chris told me the scope I had was about 18 months old and since then they corrected the hard turning knobs with better internals and improved the audible clicks. So I sent he sent me a knew one with all the goodies, sunshade, ARD etc etc and I shipped him mine. For $299 I thought the scope was out of this world. I thought it beat about any scope up to $800 I'd ever used or seen. The best thing was we were shooting off of a rock face..my student mule gun was a 308 LTR with the SS and a Colt Hbar that was my student starter rifle prior to the LTR. Well this well meaning young lady who had done great with the 5.56. Went to shoot the LTR........now she had seen and heard this rifle being fired from that same spot 75 times already...not to mention 500 times at my range. She squeezes the trigger....screams and drops the rifle like it was 250 degrees. It bounces just right and goes over the edge hitting every boulder on the way down and finally ends up 100 feet below in the river. Now we were way back from the edge so tossed it real good. I was at this location to teach the more advanced guys/gals how to range shooting at extreme angles up and down both. The country was so rough I had to get 100 ft of safty rope I keep in my truck and lower down a real monkey....this guy ended up making the rangers and at 5'6" about 150lbs he was tunnel rat material from day 1. Anyway he retreived the weapon it had been in the river about an hour. The girl was crying and the guys started to pack up like class was over. Wrong...we checked the muzzle for obstruction and kept working. I was going to show these guys how in battle who don't get in your truck and go home. We where going to remove scope ASAP and shoot down the barrel to save our life. I was going to have someone smash the scope on a boulder to get it off if nowbody had an allen wrench didn't) But the scope was PERFECT.......I mean no water inside, no fog nothing and nothing ever developed with it either.
I used to take my combat partner Charlie( a veteran decorated GSD) and we would go to the local cutting edge hospital and visit badly injured soldiers.......many crippled and deformed. They loved having a visitor as many were on the wrong coast from were they lived and were lonely bigtime and suffering too. They loved seeing Charlie and even though many of these guys weren't going to ever have a normal life again they all loved petting Charlie. Chris heard about this and sent boxes of T-shirts that I brought as gifts to these guys......he sent a bunch of cool posters to decorate their rooms and so forth to.
With all that being said......I don't know about an $800 SS?? Now I love the original SWFA SS at $299 and love Chris but I always thought that the price point/value of the scope made it special along with the quality. Now I watched Lowlights review and it was nice to see LL using some "regular" rifles and a "regular" scope
last time I was hanging out here it was all $4k plus shooters with S&B glass......made me feel good to see him using stock gear. I just hope he didn't have to clean out his safe like I did in order to pay medical bills or survive our economy.
I have never handled the HD SS.......but at $800....you have alot of options. as mentioned you can get a base if there is such a thing US Optics, you can get an IOR variable 1.8 or is it 2.8-10x. But maybe its because I live near them or I grew up with them but I would go to the custom shop at Leupold and get a 4.5-14.5 Mark 4........with my own reticle and I could have the reticle and the knobs set to just dial up yardage for my particular weapon and still be close to $800..not advetised but you can get them for close to that. Or with out mods you can find that scope now for with basic mil dots for $799.
Now I hope I am not so far out of touch that Leo's suck all of a sudden or US Optics are weak etc etc. Again I've been off of the grid but prior to that..(3 years or so" Leo was still the standard and guys were getting 2nd mortgages back when you could and waiting 5 months to get the US Optics of their dreams. Plus I had never heard of a Vortex anything.
I am just going to play new guy and shut up and read and use the search function.......yeah even an old guy like me knows how to get along.
I don't know if you can deal with a better outfit than SWFA and Chris is a top notch guy and so is his crew. I hope the SS line of scopes keeps selling well. I know guys contracting in the sandbox and these "old" 10 x versions really really hold up to the abuse and keep a clear picture at the same time.
Its another topic.....but I've gone from a pretty good gun safe to having to sell the safe itself. All my custom guns I made myself are gone and some guns that held alot of memories of days gone by are gone. But I am going to get back into LR shooting so I will be hunting for scraps and parts and pieces to put together a stick. Maybe it will have an SS on top.
For what its worth I would love to see a study of the SSHD clarlity versus say the other name brands under $1000. US Optics, Leo, IOR.....do Nikon and Burris still have their $800 tactical scopes? Does Nightforce have a "base" $1000 piece of glass?
Be an interesting and very technical study....need a science guy so it wouldn't all be opinion versus opinion...we know how that goes. Maybe a project for LL
I'm going to date myself some here.......but I've been off of the grid for awhile....over the last few years I have had a ton of surgeries on my shoulder lost about 80% of use of right arm..not cool for a right handed shooter...blah blah blah.
I used to have almost daily contact with Chris Farris at SWFA via email...great guy. I got to know him and Super Sniper because I heard alot of good about them and so I went hunting for one. I found a few "outlets" selling the "REAL" SS scopes original as made by Tasco..brand new in box etc. I reported the frauds and phonies to Chris at SWFA. Got to know him some. For helping him protect his brand he sent me a box of t-shirts, cozies the whole deal....my reward. Now when I went to buy a SS for myself I found one that was a true SS new in box never mounted private party. I loved it!! Told Chris I was going to use it training future snipers and in my basic rifle training that I was volunteering to do for new recruits to the Army and the NAtional Guard..alot of people who joined would be doing their pre bootcamp PT training with their recruiter and then would come to e for firearms 101 and some current members who wanted to move up to a bolt action sniper role came for sniper 101 so to speak. I told Chris this and that I was going to do a write up(review) on the scope for a regional hunting mag..you now the old "hunters spend thounsands on hunts and hundred of hours and use a cheap rifle and $80 scope and can't range with mil dots deal" Chris told me the scope I had was about 18 months old and since then they corrected the hard turning knobs with better internals and improved the audible clicks. So I sent he sent me a knew one with all the goodies, sunshade, ARD etc etc and I shipped him mine. For $299 I thought the scope was out of this world. I thought it beat about any scope up to $800 I'd ever used or seen. The best thing was we were shooting off of a rock face..my student mule gun was a 308 LTR with the SS and a Colt Hbar that was my student starter rifle prior to the LTR. Well this well meaning young lady who had done great with the 5.56. Went to shoot the LTR........now she had seen and heard this rifle being fired from that same spot 75 times already...not to mention 500 times at my range. She squeezes the trigger....screams and drops the rifle like it was 250 degrees. It bounces just right and goes over the edge hitting every boulder on the way down and finally ends up 100 feet below in the river. Now we were way back from the edge so tossed it real good. I was at this location to teach the more advanced guys/gals how to range shooting at extreme angles up and down both. The country was so rough I had to get 100 ft of safty rope I keep in my truck and lower down a real monkey....this guy ended up making the rangers and at 5'6" about 150lbs he was tunnel rat material from day 1. Anyway he retreived the weapon it had been in the river about an hour. The girl was crying and the guys started to pack up like class was over. Wrong...we checked the muzzle for obstruction and kept working. I was going to show these guys how in battle who don't get in your truck and go home. We where going to remove scope ASAP and shoot down the barrel to save our life. I was going to have someone smash the scope on a boulder to get it off if nowbody had an allen wrench didn't) But the scope was PERFECT.......I mean no water inside, no fog nothing and nothing ever developed with it either.
I used to take my combat partner Charlie( a veteran decorated GSD) and we would go to the local cutting edge hospital and visit badly injured soldiers.......many crippled and deformed. They loved having a visitor as many were on the wrong coast from were they lived and were lonely bigtime and suffering too. They loved seeing Charlie and even though many of these guys weren't going to ever have a normal life again they all loved petting Charlie. Chris heard about this and sent boxes of T-shirts that I brought as gifts to these guys......he sent a bunch of cool posters to decorate their rooms and so forth to.
With all that being said......I don't know about an $800 SS?? Now I love the original SWFA SS at $299 and love Chris but I always thought that the price point/value of the scope made it special along with the quality. Now I watched Lowlights review and it was nice to see LL using some "regular" rifles and a "regular" scope
I have never handled the HD SS.......but at $800....you have alot of options. as mentioned you can get a base if there is such a thing US Optics, you can get an IOR variable 1.8 or is it 2.8-10x. But maybe its because I live near them or I grew up with them but I would go to the custom shop at Leupold and get a 4.5-14.5 Mark 4........with my own reticle and I could have the reticle and the knobs set to just dial up yardage for my particular weapon and still be close to $800..not advetised but you can get them for close to that. Or with out mods you can find that scope now for with basic mil dots for $799.
Now I hope I am not so far out of touch that Leo's suck all of a sudden or US Optics are weak etc etc. Again I've been off of the grid but prior to that..(3 years or so" Leo was still the standard and guys were getting 2nd mortgages back when you could and waiting 5 months to get the US Optics of their dreams. Plus I had never heard of a Vortex anything.
I am just going to play new guy and shut up and read and use the search function.......yeah even an old guy like me knows how to get along.
I don't know if you can deal with a better outfit than SWFA and Chris is a top notch guy and so is his crew. I hope the SS line of scopes keeps selling well. I know guys contracting in the sandbox and these "old" 10 x versions really really hold up to the abuse and keep a clear picture at the same time.
Its another topic.....but I've gone from a pretty good gun safe to having to sell the safe itself. All my custom guns I made myself are gone and some guns that held alot of memories of days gone by are gone. But I am going to get back into LR shooting so I will be hunting for scraps and parts and pieces to put together a stick. Maybe it will have an SS on top.
For what its worth I would love to see a study of the SSHD clarlity versus say the other name brands under $1000. US Optics, Leo, IOR.....do Nikon and Burris still have their $800 tactical scopes? Does Nightforce have a "base" $1000 piece of glass?
Be an interesting and very technical study....need a science guy so it wouldn't all be opinion versus opinion...we know how that goes. Maybe a project for LL
Re: Super Sniper Scopes ???
I do have to know 1 thing..........do the SS scopes STILL come with those old Tasco instructions??? If they do tell Chris if he wants I'll help him write up new instructions....I'll find a printer and have new pamphelts printed up.......it should only be a couple pages. I just hate to see those nice scopes with that old Tasco paper inside.
I do have to know 1 thing..........do the SS scopes STILL come with those old Tasco instructions??? If they do tell Chris if he wants I'll help him write up new instructions....I'll find a printer and have new pamphelts printed up.......it should only be a couple pages. I just hate to see those nice scopes with that old Tasco paper inside.
