Super Trickler experiences? Powder throw thread.

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I am looking once again into the auto dispensing game. I'm rarely an early adopter of new stuff (especially expensive new stuff). Normally for me I let others do the BETA testing before I jump in.

My questions are, now that this has marinated for a while, what is the general consensus?

A follow up question would be, should I opt to not spend $1500 bucks on the Super Trickler, how would you rank the cheaper options (in order) of "best" for electronic auto dispensers?
 
My advice do not buy the superspiller unless you’re using mostly ball powders and there is no temperature variation where you plan to use it and you’re technically sophisticated (because as another poster said starting the thing up is like preparing a 747 for takeoff)

The thing is falsely advertised as having artificial intelligence, but it doesn’t have that it is programmed to have feedback loops

The vibratory motor which was selected for patent infringement reasons not because it’s the best solution to the problem is the Achilles’ heel of the thing and it has a very difficult time handling stick powders. You will be throwing out about one out of 10 throws with stick powders because the vibrator invariably and inevitably Drops two kernels at the very end. Look at the pictures of the guys post of their super-spiller very carefully: it is rare to see one posted with a long series of throws and I mean, like 100 drops where it has better than about 92% accuracy and you know how it is, guys only post pictures of their best results. Most of the time mine was getting an 80% success range with stick powders, which is pretty much all I shoot.

Worse yet, the vibratory motor is highly temperature sensitive. So if you make Settings in summer out in your garage, they’re not going to work in winter. If you’re in a climate controlled environment you mostly don’t have to worry about this except there is some warm-up time for the vibratory motor also during which it’s operating characteristics change

Then there is the whole algorithm and interface that Peter in Australia (and God bless that guy he salt of the Earth, but he is stuck with REX‘s terrible decision to use that vibratory motor) that Peter changes over and over and over adding and removing features and multiple different screens and multiple different adjustments. The instruction manual for the fucking thing is like 80 pages long if not longer and just as soon as you get it figured out there’s another update or something else they changed or some new bright idea how they’re going to fix a hardware problem (vibrator) with a software solution. And it’s pretty apparent that that’s never gonna happen at this stage.

I was actually a beta tester and sold my machine in frustration well over a year ago when I learned the IP was coming out. if I had known it was gonna take this long, I would’ve kept it and limped along with it rather than take a big loss on it And go back to an ATV 2.75 in the meantime, but here I am, I listened to the ridiculous release date estimates of the IP system

When I first got the super spiller and I call it that because there’s always a ton of spilled kernels all over the scale, I was pretty enthusiastic because if I stayed up all night for hours tweaking it, I could get these really fast drop times but then it would always seem to go sideways on me after a run of 15 or 20. That was before I got Peter to add a success rate feature because prior to that it just told you how many successes you had had in a row. As soon as you could see what your overall success rate was over the number of attempted throws, it became apparent that you were never going to have a long stretches of success. In some ways that feature killed the machine because now guys can look and see that their accuracy rate is in the 80% range. I do think it might’ve gotten better with one of the more recent updates because Peter gave up trying to make the thing faster and actually slowed it down quite a bit so now guys are getting drop times on the order of 12 or 14 seconds. And they all make some apologetic excuse like “I can’t load the bullet faster than that so I don’t care. Personally, I want drop times of about eight seconds for stick powders in the 40 grain range and it would never do that for me with accuracy 95% or greater. Cause it’s a real giant buzz kill to have to dump a charge every couple of minutes.

That’s just my two cents. Another beta tester, I know abandoned his also.
 
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Random screenshots from the owners group on Facebook you can see the success rate and the average time and the number of throws yourself
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I am looking once again into the auto dispensing game. I'm rarely an early adopter of new stuff (especially expensive new stuff). Normally for me I let others do the BETA testing before I jump in.

My questions are, now that this has marinated for a while, what is the general consensus?

A follow up question would be, should I opt to not spend $1500 bucks on the Super Trickler, how would you rank the cheaper options (in order) of "best" for electronic auto dispensers?
In addition to @secondofangle2 great post above, if you want all the gory details and are bored then there is a VERY long thread about this machine (in which documents @secondofangle2 documents his ultimately failed journey with the ST).

 
Thank you for the posts. It's very much appreciated.

I am still interested in some type of auto dropper but at this point I'm not sure what. I'm even entertaining cheaper options. Truth be told I could probably live with anything but I do want to get the best bang.

It seems like the Auto Trickler is generally well received but then again I have not been following any of it very closely.

Of the things currently available what are your top two options?
 
I’m waiting on IP
Next best us used V3 w IP trickler
I’m using V2 AT w v3 electronics. It’s “ok”
There’s a whole new one of these that a guy named NyQuil started a threat about that if it is priced about the same as AutoTrickler might be a viable option, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a handle ball patter is very well
And you could always go down to one of the horny or RCBS options
Or, hand throw out of say a Uni flow powder measure, and top off with the IP tracker. That way, if you got sick of doing that, you could just add the rest of the system later.
 
In theory and on paper it sounds great but, in practice it's just not what it's cracked up to be. I found that it required too much fiddling about. I was always adjusting something and it never seemed to just work the way I wanted it to.

There were multiple software updates that claimed to be the best thing since sliced bread that never delivered much real world difference.

I was excited for the "AI self learning" feature because I thought that it would make for less fiddling about and quick tuning. However I found I still needed to mess with the settings.

It also seemed to throw powder everywhere. I 3D printed a shield and it did help but, it was yet another one of those things I shouldn't have had to deal with.
 
One of the reasons I am salty is because as a beta tester, I downloaded over 100 different beta versions of the software and put them on the machine and threw it literally thousands of charges. If there were a fix to that stupid vibratory motor, they would’ve figured it out by now
It was a fatal flaw
The other thing is, they made some silly decision, not to have it Bluetooth or Wi-Fi connected. If they had done that, they could’ve actually taken user data and subjected it to real true artificial intelligence and maybe that would’ve gotten somewhere.
It sure would’ve made updating the fucking thing easier rather than taking a little SD card to your computer and then running it back out to the machine all the time
Oh, and make sure you don’t pour any powder in it without that SD card in there or you will void your warranty, lol