Suppressors Suppressor transfers to someone under 21.

[cattleman99]

Hoping someone can help me with this. I am under 21, and am wanting a suppressor. Is there a legal way to transfer a suppressor from an individual to someone who is under 21? I appreciate any assistance.

Best,
Chris

 

[Tiger_Shilone]

Sorry, NFA is a 21+ game, you have to wait it out until 21. Only way you can play under 21 is with somebody else's toys while in their presence.
EDIT add see post #19

 

[D46Infinity]

Actually, there is a loophole when it come to NFA and an 18+ but under 21 year old.
At the age of 18 you can’t buy from a licensee but you can by from an individual in your own state via a form 4. So the nfa item has to already be on a form 4 in your home state.

I will try to find the info in my NFA guide. If I can’t find it I will update.

It is cited here in the silencershop notes.

https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/sell-silencer/

 

[cattleman99]

Actually, there is a loophole when it come to NFA and an 18+ but under 21 year old.
At the age of 18 you can’t buy from a licensee but you can by from an individual in your own state via a form 4. So the nfa item has to already be on a form 4 in your home state.

I will try to find the info in my NFA guide. If I can’t find it I will update.

It is cited here in the silencershop notes.

https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/sell-silencer/

I have heard about Form 4 to Form 4 transfers. I am wondering what all would be included with those. How much of a pain is it? Another hard thing would be finding a person willing to transfer one to me.

 

[D46Infinity]

Let me clarify, IT’s not something I would initiate as in you trying to find some one to buy it for you with the intent of transferring it to you.

 

[cattleman99]

Let me clarify, IT’s not something I would initiate as in you trying to find some one to buy it for you with the intent of transferring it to you.

I am well aware. Looking to trade some things for one, that an individual has already purchased.

 

[TanktheFrank]

I looked into doing it in Texas at 19, I wanted someone I knew, of course in Texas. Didn't pan out. Without being a pestering ass to my customers, I asked around a bit, and made it known I was looking to do it in a very legitimate manner. Thing was, nearly zero people wanted to give up their cans at the time, and if they did it was a beat to shit m4-2000 with 10k rounds on it, or something they had on a form 3 at their dealer. If you dont mind answering, how shy of 21 are you? Roundabout anyways.

 

[corey4]

Judging by the 99 in his name, I'd wager he was born 1999.

What state are you in OP?

 

[cattleman99]

NE

 

[TanktheFrank]

Judging by the 99 in his name, I'd wager he was born 1999.

What state are you in OP?

Lol totally escaped me... why you dont get on the hide at 3 am...

 

[cattleman99]

19, in Nebraska. Is there a possibility of manufacturing one under 21?

 

[BenY 2013]

I manufactured one on a Form 1 under 21 in Arkansas. To be fair I also worked in a shop that manufactured suppressors, I'd be sure you can get a quality piece built.

Ben

 

[corey4]

What about forming a trust with your parents?

 

[cattleman99]

What about forming a trust with your parents?

I would, but they’re not with us, so I have to do this on my own.

 

[Tiger_Shilone]

Quit dicking around with people on the internet and blogspot opinions on rules of law.

GO SEE A NFA LAWYER!

Don't make a mistake that could potentially affect the rest of your life. If you don't have the $ for a lawyer, then you don't have the $ for NFA items either. The NFA game is a lot of fun, but it has a lot of rules and seriously bad consequences for breaking those rules. Doesn't matter if you break those rules by ignorance or willful disregard, the penalties are the same. Get a professional to tell you weather or not your "loophole" or "grey area" is legal.

 

[Renegade]

Hoping someone can help me with this. I am under 21, and am wanting a suppressor. Is there a legal way to transfer a suppressor from an individual to someone who is under 21? I appreciate any assistance.

Best,
Chris

Yes you can buy from a non-licensee in your state. The 21 rule only applies to FFLs. You can also make one on Form 1. Lots of <21 have done both. What you can't do is have a >21 buy it first, with intent to sell it to you. Sadly NE is a small state, so the market for a pre-owned silencer is much smaller than say Texas where it would be easy to find.

 

[Renegade]

Quit dicking around with people on the internet and blogspot opinions on rules of law.

GO SEE A NFA LAWYER!

Don't make a mistake that could potentially affect the rest of your life. If you don't have the $ for a lawyer, then you don't have the $ for NFA items either. The NFA game is a lot of fun, but it has a lot of rules and seriously bad consequences for breaking those rules. Doesn't matter if you break those rules by ignorance or willful disregard, the penalties are the same. Get a professional to tell you weather or not your "loophole" or "grey area" is legal.

Here is what 2 lawyers say "on the internet and blogspot opinions on rules of law"

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/can-an-18-year-old-build-an-sbr-sbs-or-other-nfa-firearm/

https://johnpierceesq.com/nfa-myths-do-you-have-to-be-21-to-buy-nfa-items/

 

[cattleman99]

The odds of finding a person willing to do a Form 4 transfer for me are very small. My best option would probably be to make one on a Form 1. I don’t have access to high tech equipment. That being said, is there somewhere you can direct me for designs, or help? Want to keep costs low, but still be effective.

 

[Tiger_Shilone]

I retract my statement on under 21 suppressor ownership. I asked a very similar question to this when I had my trust drawn up by my lawyer as I wanted to add a 20 year old as a trustee and was told absolutely not, 21+, no minors. He could be a beneficiary, but not trustee. However, the trust had other items than suppressors in it. I specifically went to this lawyer as he has done a lot of trusts for a long time in my state for NFA items, might be a state issue. I still think consulting with a NFA lawyer in his state would be the best route to take for the OP

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Call Dick Clark Law in Lincoln, NE. The phone number is (402) 915-1791.

Www.dickclarklaw.com is his website. He knows his shit .

 

[Strykervet]

Shit, if you were in WA and it was a legitimate transfer, I've got a couple I'd consider letting go. I'm sure any stamp collector will have some like that, you just need to find one I guess, and ideally in state.

But in that case you'll be getting what they wanna get rid of, you'll get it at a discount, yeah, but due to the circumstances the seller doesn't have to take as big of a hit either (which is why NFA stuff not including MG's is usually a one and done deal).

Didn't say how old you are, but if I were you, I'd be stocking up on nice rifles, mags, etc., liquidating bullshit, and then fill up a trust when you turn 21. I wish I had someone to give me that advice 20 something years ago.

If/when you get a trust, and they're definitely worth it, make sure you get one from an NFA attorney (rather, an attorney that does trusts and wills and also understands NFA).

 

[Enough Said]

This truly is an “instant gratification” generation. Putting yourself in the military, in a combat-operations branch, will separate you from the regret later in life of having not participated, and will minimize “sense of belonging” deficiencies from not having served. LOL

 

[cattleman99]

This truly is an “instant gratification” generation. Putting yourself in the military, in a combat-operations branch, will separate you from the regret later in life of having not participated, and will minimize “sense of belonging” deficiencies from not having served. LOL

I’m sorry, what does this have to do with suppressor purchases?

 

[cattleman99]

Call Dick Clark Law in Lincoln, NE. The phone number is (402) 915-1791.

Www.dickclarklaw.com is his website. He knows his shit .

I’ll give him a call sometime. Hopefully I can get it figured out. I appreciate it.