Suppressors - any good alternates to TBAC?

[kramster]

So I am finally set on getting my first can. There are 2 main reasons. 1) my first (of 4) kids is on the small side. He accepts recoil, and even got his first elk last year at 10 years 3 months old. But it is hard to practice for to long with anything bigger than a 223 for him. Even the 6.5CM pushes around 22% of his body weight in recoil (he weights almost 70lb now it recoils around 14lbs). So I want a can to help reduce recoil for him. 2) my niece and nephew like to hunt but the noise is to much for one of them (who has sensory issues). So I want to be able to drop the volume down so when he is wearing ear protection it isn't any louder than a 223 or less if possible.

That all said after reading much on this forum I was all set to go with the TBAC Ultra 7 (or maybe 9), but I can't find them anywhere around here (suburb of Phoenix Arizona). However there are dead air Nomads and omega 300 to be had. From a sound and recoil perspective I would assume they are pretty close (or is the omega with brake better but still low sound?). My biggest worry is accuracy. From all I read the TBAC is the gold standard for accuracy, and swapping them between guns will yield the same results. I don't want to work up a load, zero the rifle, let them practice most on 223, then need to redo the process for their 6.5CM or for that matter for my 300WM.

My question is; what does your experience say? Can I get high accuracy with the Nomad, or one of the silencerco products (Omega 300 perhaps with their anchor brake)? Can I expect repeatability when removing and re-installing on different rifles? I want accuracy, and consistency, even if its used on multiple guns. To be honest I was about ready to buy the ultra 7 and 9 can, but since I can't find either now I am hoping to pick up one for now and maybe find the ultra at a later date. Thanks for your input. Field testing is the most reliable way to know what a product will really do.

 

[Newbie2020]

Ditto. I have a Nomad-L w ebrake and know people w the Nomad-ti and omega. Can’t go wrong w any of them.

I purposely bought the Nomad-L for the increased sound suppression level.

Size matters. More baffles = more sound suppression = more length = more weight

Low weight was not a consideration for me. I wanted more noise reduction. Titanium is theoretically better for sound suppression than steel but they don’t make the Nomad-L in titanium or I would have bought that.

 

[JGunns]

I’ve got a Nomad 30 and it’s been a great can. Most my bolt guns I only shoot suppressed so that’s how I zero and accuracy has been great. Obviously if I were to take the can off there’s POI shift but I don’t do that often (if at all). But while the can is on my guns they all shoot lights out. If that’s what your accuracy question was about.. I’ve got an ultra 7 and an ultra 5 in jail that I’m dying to get my hands on. Have you checked Mr Silencer in Mesa? I think they had a couple TBACs in stock a month or so ago. I got my ultra 7 from Bear Mountain in Mesa. They might have other ultras. You might give Mile High a call too, they might have something in stock. I don’t think you can go wrong. I love my nomad but I’m super excited to get the ultras, especially for hunting guns that I want to save some weight on.

 

[LeftyJason]

So I am finally set on getting my first can. There are 2 main reasons. 1) my first (of 4) kids is on the small side. He accepts recoil, and even got his first elk last year at 10 years 3 months old. But it is hard to practice for to long with anything bigger than a 223 for him. Even the 6.5CM pushes around 22% of his body weight in recoil (he weights almost 70lb now it recoils around 14lbs). So I want a can to help reduce recoil for him. 2) my niece and nephew like to hunt but the noise is to much for one of them (who has sensory issues). So I want to be able to drop the volume down so when he is wearing ear protection it isn't any louder than a 223 or less if possible.

That all said after reading much on this forum I was all set to go with the TBAC Ultra 7 (or maybe 9), but I can't find them anywhere around here (suburb of Phoenix Arizona). However there are dead air Nomads and omega 300 to be had. From a sound and recoil perspective I would assume they are pretty close (or is the omega with brake better but still low sound?). My biggest worry is accuracy. From all I read the TBAC is the gold standard for accuracy, and swapping them between guns will yield the same results. I don't want to work up a load, zero the rifle, let them practice most on 223, then need to redo the process for their 6.5CM or for that matter for my 300WM.

My question is; what does your experience say? Can I get high accuracy with the Nomad, or one of the silencerco products (Omega 300 perhaps with their anchor brake)? Can I expect repeatability when removing and re-installing on different rifles? I want accuracy, and consistency, even if its used on multiple guns. To be honest I was about ready to buy the ultra 7 and 9 can, but since I can't find either now I am hoping to pick up one for now and maybe find the ultra at a later date. Thanks for your input. Field testing is the most reliable way to know what a product will really do.

They are in stock.

Thunder Beast: Ultra 7 Suppressor, Gen 2 - .30 Cal

The TBAC Ultra 7 Gen 2 .30 cal suppressor is designed for applications where a excellent suppression is needed in a compact form (7in).

www.milehighshooting.com

They will transfer to a local dealer to you. Easy process. Did that within the 2 weeks. This was last Saturday before I even started the paperwork.

 

[Lunchbox27]

TL/DR: The Omega is great and will serve you well.

I have had a SilencerCo Omega for over 5 years. I have put over 6,000 rounds through it, according to my log. It has been on multiple AR’s, as well as bolt guns from 6mm to 300WM. It’s been a fantastic can! I sent it back to SilencerCo last year and they recored it as it gained a ton of weight and was losing suppression. Got it back and it was like new, minus my serialized sleeve (great customer service).

When I purchased the Omega I thought it would be my one and done. I soon realized I wanted everything suppressed and well... swapping is not as easy as it sounds. I now have 4 cans and two more on wait with ATF (one being a TBAC Ultra 9). This may be your first can, but won’t be your last.

Shooting with a can is a night/day difference, especially with new shooters. Taking away the bang really helps welcome them to the hobby.

 

[K80/6.5]

Order the nomad lt on silencer shop and get 100 gift card offer ends at the end of the month. You get the sound suppression on the nomad L but weight way less weight for hunting.

 

[b6graham]

Id find a gen 2 ultra 7 in stock somewhere and just get it form 3d

 

[K80/6.5]

Ditto. I have a Nomad-L w ebrake and know people w the Nomad-ti and omega. Can’t go wrong w any of them.

I purposely bought the Nomad-L for the increased sound suppression level.

Size matters. More baffles = more sound suppression = more length = more weight

Low weight was not a consideration for me. I wanted more noise reduction. Titanium is theoretically better for sound suppression than steel but they don’t make the Nomad-L in titanium or I would have bought that.

Check out the lt it’s the titanium version on the L.

 

[Jigstick]

DeadAir. OSS

 

[Crews]

I don’t know where you buy them, but I was very impressed with the guy representing KGM suppressors on the Everyday Sniper Podcast that recently aired. It certainly sounded like a very good alternative for a precision rifle oriented can. If I didn’t have a TBAC, I’d be looking for a KGM based on the details discussed in that podcast.

Podcast link

 

[Old Man with Gun]

There is a lot of good advice above, but I would stress weight including muzzle device over most other factors if you want a rifle manageable to a child. For hunting, likely bolt action setup, something like a harvester with anchor break may do well.

I have a lot of the heavy, full auto rated cans that I shoot semi-automatic, but for field bolt guns, TBAC 7 and Griffin Armament REECE 5/7 are favorites. I dont have a Harvester, but have many Silencerco products and it may be a good fit with the anchor break.

FYI- all of my cans shoot the same precision. POI varies, but they can all shoot as well as the rifles they are on.

 

[THEIS]

I don’t know where you buy them, but I was very impressed with the guy representing KGM suppressors on the Everyday Sniper Podcast that recently aired. It certainly sounded like a very good alternative for a precision rifle oriented can. If I didn’t have a TBAC, I’d be looking for a KGM based on the details discussed in that podcast.

Podcast link

Hi,

In case anyone wants direct contact information for them.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[346ci]

Not sure on a TBAC alternative, I have Templar/Crux, TBAC and SAS. All are accurate but if you are after recoil reduction, adding weight to the rifle and a good brake will do wonders.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Hi,

In case anyone wants direct contact information for them.
View attachment 7635192

Sincerely,
Theis

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

 

[Crews]

I don’t ever think it’s the actual recoil with new shooters. I think it’s the explosion. A can is much better than a brake in that regard.

 

[Crews]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

Good grief. Get a life.

 

[Reload10]

^^ you haven't been paying attention around here if you think Theis is spam.

 

[Lunchbox27]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

 

[LeftyJason]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

You do realize that Theis is a commercial supporter right? Also alot of the commercial supporters here help others out with info directing them to other commercial supporters products. I believe KGM is in talks with lowlight.

He might be working with them behind the scenes but maybe not. Theis is developing higher pressure rounds that will need to be suppressed.

Theis isn't spam.
Do yourself a favor and search this site for Hoplite Arms and Genesis Ballistics. Read both of those threads and then get back to us.

 

[THEIS]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

Hi,

LOLOLOLOL So you ready to do this again, haha....
First it was the ITAR thread and now this one???

Click the report button on this post and tell SH owner that I am spamming with these threads.

KGM Suppressor Interview with Adam Pini

https://theeverydaysniper.podbean.com/e/the-everyday-sniper-podcast-kgm-suppressors-with-adam-pini/ Great conversation

www.snipershide.com

KGM Technologies Suppressor Line

Built with the requirements of Accuracy, No Flash, Recoil Reduction, and Sound Reduction. KGM Technologies sound suppressors are a true force multiplier. By addressing the aspects that have plagued suppressors since their inception, KGM has a variety of patented technologies that allow those...

www.snipershide.com

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[b6graham]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

Why are you still here

 

[lash]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

Your a little slow aren’t you? @Crews asked about them, but didn’t know anything about them. @THEIS responded with a link for information. How’s that any different than you recommending TBAC and Silencerco products?

SMDH

 

[Holliday]

My vote: Get a TBAC transferred from a dealer who has one in stock. Aside from the outstanding product, TBAC is just a treat to deal with.

 

[Islander]

Holy crap, all Theis did was cut and paste the contact info from their website. Someone said they didn’t have contact info. How in the hell is that spam?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

This seems like a thinly vailed advertisement, do you have a relationship with the vendor or are just compelled by the advertising of a product you don't own?

When a post with someone about to spend money is answered like this and not product owners, it comes off as spam.

You really have no clue who you're responding to on this site, do you?

 

[cast1]

Back on topic, I have had very good accuracy out of a Rugged Surge 7.62 I run on a Seekins SP10 in 6 creedmoor. A buddy had a Razor from them and it does well also. I just got an energetic armament Lux and it’s so light it feels fake. I have high hopes for that one. Honestly the tightest group I’ve ever shot came from a 6 Creedmoor I built and was shooting with a silencerco Saker 7.62, pre ASM brake. As long as it’s a decent brand your chances of a good buy are strong.

 

[Kickin45]

Theis is not someone on here to attack. He has contributed to knowledge of this site for years.

Back on topic. Suppressors absolutely affect the recoil!
Everyone will tell you “it only reduces the felt recoil”
I shake my head at that, because, umm what other way you perceive recoil other than what you feel!?
Suppressors also reduce muzzle blast and muzzle rise.
I’d say this is imho or my 2c, but it’s been proven, there are dozens and dozens of articles proving the benefits a suppressor has on recoil.
Anyone who says they don’t really reduce recoil doesn’t understand the mechanics and geometry of recoil

 

[Sprayed99]

KGM

Support your hide venders. I do know Altus has them is stock, Mike, Josh, and the gang are great to do business with.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Hi,

LOLOLOLOL So you ready to do this again, haha....
First it was the ITAR thread and now this one???

Click the report button on this post and tell SH owner that I am spamming with these threads.

KGM Suppressor Interview with Adam Pini

https://theeverydaysniper.podbean.com/e/the-everyday-sniper-podcast-kgm-suppressors-with-adam-pini/ Great conversation

www.snipershide.com

KGM Technologies Suppressor Line

Built with the requirements of Accuracy, No Flash, Recoil Reduction, and Sound Reduction. KGM Technologies sound suppressors are a true force multiplier. By addressing the aspects that have plagued suppressors since their inception, KGM has a variety of patented technologies that allow those...

www.snipershide.com

Sincerely,
Theis

I was going to post the same. These sure seem like good. Suppressors at a great price.

Not sure what's up with this old man. Guy...

 

[Sprayed99]

So I am finally set on getting my first can. There are 2 main reasons. 1) my first (of 4) kids is on the small side. He accepts recoil, and even got his first elk last year at 10 years 3 months old. But it is hard to practice for to long with anything bigger than a 223 for him. Even the 6.5CM pushes around 22% of his body weight in recoil (he weights almost 70lb now it recoils around 14lbs). So I want a can to help reduce recoil for him. 2) my niece and nephew like to hunt but the noise is to much for one of them (who has sensory issues). So I want to be able to drop the volume down so when he is wearing ear protection it isn't any louder than a 223 or less if possible.

That all said after reading much on this forum I was all set to go with the TBAC Ultra 7 (or maybe 9), but I can't find them anywhere around here (suburb of Phoenix Arizona). However there are dead air Nomads and omega 300 to be had. From a sound and recoil perspective I would assume they are pretty close (or is the omega with brake better but still low sound?). My biggest worry is accuracy. From all I read the TBAC is the gold standard for accuracy, and swapping them between guns will yield the same results. I don't want to work up a load, zero the rifle, let them practice most on 223, then need to redo the process for their 6.5CM or for that matter for my 300WM.

My question is; what does your experience say? Can I get high accuracy with the Nomad, or one of the silencerco products (Omega 300 perhaps with their anchor brake)? Can I expect repeatability when removing and re-installing on different rifles? I want accuracy, and consistency, even if its used on multiple guns. To be honest I was about ready to buy the ultra 7 and 9 can, but since I can't find either now I am hoping to pick up one for now and maybe find the ultra at a later date. Thanks for your input. Field testing is the most reliable way to know what a product will really do.

I have a Sandman Ti that has north of 6k rounds on it. I screw it on and hit steel at our farthest targets of 1277 with 100% repeatability. I also have a Nomad Ti that does the same. Any of the major names build cans that are repeatable. I have shot varmints at extended hunting distances on multiple occasions with them.

If I ever were to use a can in a comp it would be a TBAC or a KGM. I use breaks for longer strings of fire because they kill the most recoil to stay on target, spot shots, and most importantly catch trace. It isn't so much an accuracy thing for hunting as your aren't firing multiple fast strings of fire and getting things hot. That is where the precision cans shine.

 

[Fig]

 

[Supersubes]

So many good cans, its a hard choice. @kramster Yes you can get good accuracy with the cans you mentioned. Between the regular nomad and the omega, id pick the omega. Consider that the omega comes with an ASR setup and a direct thread adapter for its price, where the nomad just comes with the direct thread adapter. Sell the ASR and you’re left with one of the best priced cans on the market, and they stack up great against others with regard to sound. The brakes for both of those cans are stupid imo. Ive demo’d a stack of cans for a bunch of people, and never once has anyone preferred either with their respective end cap brakes installed. It just makes them big and loud.

The TBAC is the benchmark though. The new gen 2’s are so light (along with the EA lux mentioned above), they feel like airsoft toys. They can be found, you just need to find a dealer that will take one on a form 3 from wherever you can find/buy it. Or if you have a good relationship with your dealer, tell them where they can find it and have them get it for you, which might save you some money.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Theis is not someone on here to attack. He has contributed to knowledge of this site for years.

Back on topic. Suppressors absolutely affect the recoil!
Everyone will tell you “it only reduces the felt recoil”
I shake my head at that, because, umm what other way you perceive recoil other than what you feel!?
Suppressors also reduce muzzle blast and muzzle rise.
I’d say this is imho or my 2c, but it’s been proven, there are dozens and dozens of articles proving the benefits a suppressor has on recoil.
Anyone who says they don’t really reduce recoil doesn’t understand the mechanics and geometry of recoil

Here's a little test you can do to understand the difference in recoil between a brake and a suppressor

Grab a .50BMG with a big tank style brake on it, like the AR-50 and some of the Barretts have. Get nice and prone and send 5 or 6 rounds downrange.
Take off the break and put a suppressor on, or grab a similar weight bolt gun with a standard suppressor on it. Get nice and prone and sent 5 or 6 rounds downrange.
(There is a reason Barrett designed the suppressor for their M107A1 to have a brake on the end of it and suggests you use it).

A well designed, aggressive brake that is specifically tuned for maximum recoil mitigation, will reduce recoil better than a suppressor.
However for most smaller, commonly shot calibers, the overall benefits of the suppressor tend to make it preferable to a brake.
Many people also add a bit of weight to the overall rifle which lessens recoil with a suppressor.

 

[kramster]

So many good cans, its a hard choice. @kramster Yes you can get good accuracy with the cans you mentioned. Between the regular nomad and the omega, id pick the omega. Consider that the omega comes with an ASR setup and a direct thread adapter for its price, where the nomad just comes with the direct thread adapter. Sell the ASR and you’re left with one of the best priced cans on the market, and they stack up great against others with regard to sound. The brakes for both of those cans are stupid imo. Ive demo’d a stack of cans for a bunch of people, and never once has anyone preferred either with their respective end cap brakes installed. It just makes them big and loud.

The TBAC is the benchmark though. The new gen 2’s are so light (along with the EA lux mentioned above), they feel like airsoft toys. They can be found, you just need to find a dealer that will take one on a form 3 from wherever you can find/buy it. Or if you have a good relationship with your dealer, tell them where they can find it and have them get it for you, which might save you some money.

I will have to look up form 3. Haven't seem reference to that one before.

 

[Long Range 338]

The Dead Air Nomad is a great can. Get one in titanium and then order a TBAC. You can use the Dead Air while you are waiting for the TBAC. You’re not gonna be happy with one can once you start shooting suppressed. Ask me how I know…

 

[godofthunder]

I would call around to get a TBAC and get it form 3d to you. They're awesome. My buddy recently did that for a couple ultra 5s because he couldn't find them anywhere near him, called around and found some, took an hour of his time.

 

[b6graham]

I will have to look up form 3. Haven't seem reference to that one before.

Form 3 is a simple form to transfer an NFA item from one SOT to another

 

[Baron23]

So I am finally set on getting my first can. There are 2 main reasons. 1) my first (of 4) kids is on the small side. He accepts recoil, and even got his first elk last year at 10 years 3 months old. But it is hard to practice for to long with anything bigger than a 223 for him. Even the 6.5CM pushes around 22% of his body weight in recoil (he weights almost 70lb now it recoils around 14lbs). So I want a can to help reduce recoil for him. 2) my niece and nephew like to hunt but the noise is to much for one of them (who has sensory issues). So I want to be able to drop the volume down so when he is wearing ear protection it isn't any louder than a 223 or less if possible.

That all said after reading much on this forum I was all set to go with the TBAC Ultra 7 (or maybe 9), but I can't find them anywhere around here (suburb of Phoenix Arizona). However there are dead air Nomads and omega 300 to be had. From a sound and recoil perspective I would assume they are pretty close (or is the omega with brake better but still low sound?). My biggest worry is accuracy. From all I read the TBAC is the gold standard for accuracy, and swapping them between guns will yield the same results. I don't want to work up a load, zero the rifle, let them practice most on 223, then need to redo the process for their 6.5CM or for that matter for my 300WM.

My question is; what does your experience say? Can I get high accuracy with the Nomad, or one of the silencerco products (Omega 300 perhaps with their anchor brake)? Can I expect repeatability when removing and re-installing on different rifles? I want accuracy, and consistency, even if its used on multiple guns. To be honest I was about ready to buy the ultra 7 and 9 can, but since I can't find either now I am hoping to pick up one for now and maybe find the ultra at a later date. Thanks for your input. Field testing is the most reliable way to know what a product will really do.

Ah....Mile High Shooting Supply has Ultra 7 in 6.5 in stock......I know as I just bought one and it was a fine experience.

Since it has to go to a SOT anyway who cares if the originating dealer is local....Mile High (and anybody else) will Form 3 it to a local Class 3 SOT and it going to spend 9 months in jail anyway...right?

Thunder Beast: Ultra 7 Suppressor, Gen 2 - 6.5mm

The TBAC Ultra 7 Gen 2 6.5mm suppressor is designed for applications where a excellent suppression is needed in a compact form (7in).

www.milehighshooting.com

 

[Supersubes]

I will have to look up form 3. Haven't seem reference to that one before.

A form 3 is how nfa items are transferred between manufacturers and distributors/dealers, which are tac free. When you buy from your local dealer inventory, his margin is baked in already. If you buy the can elsewhere (like mile high) your local dealer is cut out of the profit for that item, and may have to do some footwork to get your purchase to him on a form 3, then keep it in jail for you until your form 4 clears. Your dealer will charge you a fee for this. If you find it somewhere and your dealer is agreeable, they can go buy it direct and keep their margin intact. They get a new source for cans, and you get your item without a fee. None of this prevents you/your shop from using silencershop either.

 

[kramster]

First I want to thank everyone for the help. I didn't mean to start a war about people suggesting cans for my consideration . I also appreciate that I need to look around more. I contacted several dealers (not mr silencer though) who didn't have anything.

I understand that cans will shift POI. I just wanted to hear that taking it off (like when I put the gun in the safe), then putting it back on will leave the POI in the same spot. So I can zero the rifle, pull the can and store. Then when I go hunting just put the can on and know that I am still zero'd.

I also understand that recoil reduction isn't as high with a suppressor as with a brake, but shooting with a brake would make the one guy stop shooting with us at all, and I don't want that. Also, my little guy does take the recoil, and if I can lower it by a bit I think it will help and hopefully he grows some in the next few years. And they do reduce recoil. In this article you see they aren't better than most brakes, but they do help. https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/07/07/muzzle-brakes-recoil-results-for-6mm-6-5mm/. I also thought you might like to see my son. He isn't tiny Tim, but he isn't big. He is about average for a 7-8 year old.

Since your all now invested: I see lots of people saying they want the shortest can when hunting. I get that longer barrels catch stuff and can be a pain, but when I am busting brush its held weird for me anyway so I don't drop it or get stuff in the barrel. So isn't weight the factor I should really worry about, or is there something else that I am missing? Is the ultra 7 the great can for hunting but an ultra 9 to big? I thought I might get the best overall with a 9 and would just have to suck up the weight. So is it overall length, or weight or something else? Or just go get a nomad and not care . Guess I got a bit more research and comparison to make. Thank you all for the help.

 

[FuhQ]

Dead Air Nomad-LT

Dead Air Nomad-LTI

The Nomad-LTI is Dead Air’s ultra-quiet and incredibly lightweight 30cal rifle suppressor. Constructed primarily of titanium, the Dead Air Nomad-LTI only weighs 12.6 ounces with an overall length of 8.4 inches, making it not only light, but also incredi

www.silencershop.com

 

[Old Man with Gun]

My apologies, I'm obviously way off base.

 

[Sprayed99]

My apologies, I'm obviously way off base.

It wouldn't matter if it was a plug for the company. He's a commercial site supporter have a little respect.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

It wouldn't matter if it was a plug for the company. He's a commercial site supporter have a little respect.

I'm not used to the commercial members, where I came from we didn't have them and plugging stuff was bad form. Anyway, like I said, I apologize, my bad.

 

[b6graham]

I'm not used to the commercial members, where I came from we didn't have them and plugging stuff was bad form. Anyway, like I said, I apologize, my bad.

He wasn't even plugging them...

 

[W54/XM-388]

I'm not used to the commercial members, where I came from we didn't have them and plugging stuff was bad form. Anyway, like I said, I apologize, my bad.

Commercial sponsors (have that in their ribbon list) pay a pretty high price to be able to conduct business as a business on the website here and can pretty much do any commercial stuff.

That being said, Theis is a very well regarded member with a lot of knowledge and has a very loyal customer / fan / friends / supporter base.
He's one of the folks that you don't go slagging off without finding yourself being pelted by a hail of rotten vegetables from the enraged villagers..
(there's a few others you shouldn't slag off either).

Also just as a note, if you are looking for your next high end big rifle in the .300NM / .338LM / .375 Swiss P, you might want to consider his Hoplite Rifles (assuming you are not one of the poors) as they are going to kick ass for pushing the limits.

 

[Supersubes]

First I want to thank everyone for the help. I didn't mean to start a war about people suggesting cans for my consideration . I also appreciate that I need to look around more. I contacted several dealers (not mr silencer though) who didn't have anything.

I understand that cans will shift POI. I just wanted to hear that taking it off (like when I put the gun in the safe), then putting it back on will leave the POI in the same spot. So I can zero the rifle, pull the can and store. Then when I go hunting just put the can on and know that I am still zero'd.

I also understand that recoil reduction isn't as high with a suppressor as with a brake, but shooting with a brake would make the one guy stop shooting with us at all, and I don't want that. Also, my little guy does take the recoil, and if I can lower it by a bit I think it will help and hopefully he grows some in the next few years. And they do reduce recoil. In this article you see they aren't better than most brakes, but they do help. https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/07/07/muzzle-brakes-recoil-results-for-6mm-6-5mm/. I also thought you might like to see my son. He isn't tiny Tim, but he isn't big. He is about average for a 7-8 year old.

Since your all now invested: I see lots of people saying they want the shortest can when hunting. I get that longer barrels catch stuff and can be a pain, but when I am busting brush its held weird for me anyway so I don't drop it or get stuff in the barrel. So isn't weight the factor I should really worry about, or is there something else that I am missing? Is the ultra 7 the great can for hunting but an ultra 9 to big? I thought I might get the best overall with a 9 and would just have to suck up the weight. So is it overall length, or weight or something else? Or just go get a nomad and not care . Guess I got a bit more research and comparison to make. Thank you all for the help.

As far as size and weight, its going to come
Down to personal choice. I notice even the lightest suppressors on any gun, and with the added length, they just become more cumbersome
everywhere, not just while busting brush. For your first can though, you should lean towards more suppression and mount flexibility. This is part of the reason Tbac is a benchmark can. Good suppression across the entire line, and a fair bit lighter than competing cans across the line.

 

[FuhQ]

As far as size and weight, its going to come
Down to personal choice. I notice even the lightest suppressors on any gun, and with the added length, they just become more cumbersome
everywhere, not just while busting brush. For your first can though, you should lean towards more suppression and mount flexibility. This is part of the reason Tbac is a benchmark can. Good suppression across the entire line, and a fair bit lighter than competing cans across the line.

Yeah, but their mounting system and thread pitch is propriety and not adaptable, so it kind of kills their functionality. You either have to run DT only, or TBAC mounts ONLY. I personally would spring for a can with 1.375x24 threads...As that lands you the adaptability of running TONS of different mounting options.

 

[godofthunder]

Yeah, but their mounting system and thread pitch is propriety and not adaptable, so it kind of kills their functionality. You either have to run DT only, or TBAC mounts ONLY. I personally would spring for a can with 1.375x24 threads...As that lands you the adaptability of running TONS of different mounting options.

You can run these https://rustynutsdesigns.com/products/single-chamber-muzzle-brake

Or get in on Area419s system.

...if you want different mount options.

 

[b6graham]

Yeah, but their mounting system and thread pitch is propriety and not adaptable, so it kind of kills their functionality. You either have to run DT only, or TBAC mounts ONLY. I personally would spring for a can with 1.375x24 threads...As that lands you the adaptability of running TONS of different mounting options.

Pretty hard to argue against the A419 system