Forgive the noob question but what is the major advantage to using a suppressor in competition? I've looked back in the postings and I haven't found a designated thread addressing this question.
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It is unfashionable and just plain rude to shoot unsuppressed. I cant stand being caught between two assholes with a dick contest measured in fish gills.
It is unfashionable and just plain rude to shoot unsuppressed. I cant stand being caught between two assholes with a dick contest measured in fish gills.
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Suppressors trap the heat, holds it, and releases it right in front of your scope
Suppressors trap the heat, holds it, and releases it right in front of your scope
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suppressors trap the heat, holds it, and releases it right in front of your scope
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So you have a mirage to read?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suppressors trap the heat, holds it, and releases it right in front of your scope
So you have a mirage to read?
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Well put. Mirage can be dealt with using TAB covers but your loud ass break has no friendly solution. I hate having my teeth rattled by the jackass who wants to see how loud they can be. Throws off my groove. No Bueno.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is unfashionable and just plain rude to shoot unsuppressed. I cant stand being caught between two assholes with a dick contest measured in fish gills. </div></div>
Well put. Mirage can be dealt with using TAB covers but your loud ass break has no friendly solution. I hate having my teeth rattled by the jackass who wants to see how loud they can be. Throws off my groove. No Bueno.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is unfashionable and just plain rude to shoot unsuppressed. I cant stand being caught between two assholes with a dick contest measured in fish gills. </div></div>
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Recoil Is reduced and impacts are easier to spot. Although you get this from a brake, the brake often creates a dust cloud obscuring your view of the target. A suppressor won't. Also, some suppressors are accuracy enhancing and tend to cause a slightly faster bullet flight.
Recoil Is reduced and impacts are easier to spot. Although you get this from a brake, the brake often creates a dust cloud obscuring your view of the target. A suppressor won't. Also, some suppressors are accuracy enhancing and tend to cause a slightly faster bullet flight.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FlyingGoose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forgive the noob question but what is the major advantage to using a suppressor in competition? I've looked back in the postings and I haven't found a designated thread addressing this question.</div></div>
Less of an advantage than cool factor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GOLDBEACHMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Recoil Is reduced and impacts are easier to spot. Although you get this from a brake, the brake often creates a dust cloud obscuring your view of the target. A suppressor won't. Also, some suppressors are accuracy enhancing and tend to cause a slightly faster bullet flight.</div></div>
Recoil is less with a good brake. Dust isn't an issue as long as the brake vents out the side. Now the Harrell's and Vais brakes do cause a little dust storm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FlyingGoose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forgive the noob question but what is the major advantage to using a suppressor in competition? I've looked back in the postings and I haven't found a designated thread addressing this question.</div></div>
Less of an advantage than cool factor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GOLDBEACHMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Recoil Is reduced and impacts are easier to spot. Although you get this from a brake, the brake often creates a dust cloud obscuring your view of the target. A suppressor won't. Also, some suppressors are accuracy enhancing and tend to cause a slightly faster bullet flight.</div></div>
Recoil is less with a good brake. Dust isn't an issue as long as the brake vents out the side. Now the Harrell's and Vais brakes do cause a little dust storm.
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I have three suppressors and several breaks, on the same rifle the break reduces recoil more than the cans, recoil factor alone break wins. If you are blowing dust up in your face, get a better break.
I use to shoot my cans in comps religiously, not so much anymore. They add a lot of weight away from the center of the rifle and my rifles have barrels that are longer by today's standards.With the increase in positional and situational scenarios it just adds more difficulty to shots for me. But YMMV
I have three suppressors and several breaks, on the same rifle the break reduces recoil more than the cans, recoil factor alone break wins. If you are blowing dust up in your face, get a better break.
I use to shoot my cans in comps religiously, not so much anymore. They add a lot of weight away from the center of the rifle and my rifles have barrels that are longer by today's standards.With the increase in positional and situational scenarios it just adds more difficulty to shots for me. But YMMV
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The PRS Finale this last weekend was the first match I have ever shot with a suppressor. The combination of a medical issue with my ears and desire to test the suppressor led me to run it. I shot an AWC THOR PSR suppressor and saw advantages and no disadvantages. A good mirage cover is a must. Tony Burkes of TAB Gear is the man to talk to.
The PRS Finale this last weekend was the first match I have ever shot with a suppressor. The combination of a medical issue with my ears and desire to test the suppressor led me to run it. I shot an AWC THOR PSR suppressor and saw advantages and no disadvantages. A good mirage cover is a must. Tony Burkes of TAB Gear is the man to talk to.
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I figured cool factor was a big part of it however I didn't think of the courtesy factor with other shooters in competition using a break. The breaks I have on different rifles don't bother me but they would definitely bother a shooter next to me.
So minus the large amount of paperwork how easy would it be get a class III if you were to tell them it was for competition shooting? I would figure Wyoming wouldn't be too hard to get that signature but who knows.
I figured cool factor was a big part of it however I didn't think of the courtesy factor with other shooters in competition using a break. The breaks I have on different rifles don't bother me but they would definitely bother a shooter next to me.
So minus the large amount of paperwork how easy would it be get a class III if you were to tell them it was for competition shooting? I would figure Wyoming wouldn't be too hard to get that signature but who knows.
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Easy to do in WY. It's not body's business what you want to do with it but there is a place on the form 4 that asks for a reason why you need it. Just put down to conserve your hearin on the hearing of others. Also really not that much paper work. Just a long wait. Could always go the trust route and then you don't need a LEO signature of finger prints.
Easy to do in WY. It's not body's business what you want to do with it but there is a place on the form 4 that asks for a reason why you need it. Just put down to conserve your hearin on the hearing of others. Also really not that much paper work. Just a long wait. Could always go the trust route and then you don't need a LEO signature of finger prints.
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Field Shoots: Brakes & Muffs are standard, Suppressor for fun if you want to play with your can / nobody bitches about noise or muzzle blast
F-Class shoots or a line of shooters: If brakes are allowed - stop bitching and nut-up , / put the brake guys on there own squad or put them on the end
Guns,monster trucks,race tracks,rock concerts,kids,jack hammers,table saws - they are loud
Field Shoots: Brakes & Muffs are standard, Suppressor for fun if you want to play with your can / nobody bitches about noise or muzzle blast
F-Class shoots or a line of shooters: If brakes are allowed - stop bitching and nut-up , / put the brake guys on there own squad or put them on the end
Guns,monster trucks,race tracks,rock concerts,kids,jack hammers,table saws - they are loud
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Used a suppressor at a match once. Even with the mirage cover I was still getting much more mirage off of it than I wanted. Didn't really do much except cut sound sig. I usually don't use cans or brakes but my 300WM has a brake as a suppressor mounting platform and my new .243 I had a brake put on. I figured if i am going to get blasted by others with brakes then I might as well use one.
Used a suppressor at a match once. Even with the mirage cover I was still getting much more mirage off of it than I wanted. Didn't really do much except cut sound sig. I usually don't use cans or brakes but my 300WM has a brake as a suppressor mounting platform and my new .243 I had a brake put on. I figured if i am going to get blasted by others with brakes then I might as well use one.
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I find it's easier to spot my shots, and communicate with my partner on team oriented matches with a suppressor.
I find it's easier to spot my shots, and communicate with my partner on team oriented matches with a suppressor.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is unfashionable and just plain rude to shoot unsuppressed. I cant stand being caught between two assholes with a dick contest measured in fish gills.</div></div>
I have no fashion. I'm usually rude. I'm one of the assholes who's dick is measured in two gills.
I have 5 cans, with two more still in jail. I love cans, but they are a disadvantage in comps. More weight, more length, mirage, and less recoil management make brakes the clear winner.
So I guess I'm the dick to your pussy.
Sorry CBM, you know I still love you.
Ty
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is unfashionable and just plain rude to shoot unsuppressed. I cant stand being caught between two assholes with a dick contest measured in fish gills.</div></div>
I have no fashion. I'm usually rude. I'm one of the assholes who's dick is measured in two gills.
I have 5 cans, with two more still in jail. I love cans, but they are a disadvantage in comps. More weight, more length, mirage, and less recoil management make brakes the clear winner.
So I guess I'm the dick to your pussy.
Sorry CBM, you know I still love you.
Ty
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They are like barrel flutes in my opinion. There is no guarantee that it will increase performance but, there is the potential to decrease performance.
They are like barrel flutes in my opinion. There is no guarantee that it will increase performance but, there is the potential to decrease performance.
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If weight is an issue get a Thunder Beast, problem solved. I use TB cans at comps and with a cover from TAB gear. Between stages all you have to do is pull back the cover and the can cools off, The TI can seems to cool faster than steel.
They can be a bit long in barricade stages but that's the only down side I have seen.
If weight is an issue get a Thunder Beast, problem solved. I use TB cans at comps and with a cover from TAB gear. Between stages all you have to do is pull back the cover and the can cools off, The TI can seems to cool faster than steel.
They can be a bit long in barricade stages but that's the only down side I have seen.
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All the rifles I use a can on have brakes i.e. Surefire. The problems I've experienced with cans are; severe bipod hop on my 300WM's, and vertical stringing as the heat is transferred from the can to the barrel during high round count shooting, especially when using a mirage cover. I don't like shooting next to someone with a brake just as much as the next guy. That's why I keep my distance, and wisely choose my shooting positions. If I was there first, and someone plops down next to me with a braked 338 Edge, I'll ask them to move away or pick another location. If it's something like a 308 with a break, I can tolerate it.
For those that think they are in a superior class because they don't use brakes, maybe you should start your own comps that don't allow breaks, or stick with F-Class.
All the rifles I use a can on have brakes i.e. Surefire. The problems I've experienced with cans are; severe bipod hop on my 300WM's, and vertical stringing as the heat is transferred from the can to the barrel during high round count shooting, especially when using a mirage cover. I don't like shooting next to someone with a brake just as much as the next guy. That's why I keep my distance, and wisely choose my shooting positions. If I was there first, and someone plops down next to me with a braked 338 Edge, I'll ask them to move away or pick another location. If it's something like a 308 with a break, I can tolerate it.
For those that think they are in a superior class because they don't use brakes, maybe you should start your own comps that don't allow breaks, or stick with F-Class.
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I run a can. So far, not a problem with added weight, gun is heavy enough already that I didn't notice. I do get mirage even with the TAB cover, but it's not been so bad it hurt me. The can cools quickly and has never caused me to sting shots. My shooting has improved with the can thus far.
My suppressor is titanium. I get 45 fps with it. Seems I can run 2" or so shorter barrel and my gun is only about 4-5" longer than an unsuppressed gun getting the same velocity. Add the brake to the same gun and the suppressor is only 3-4" longer. My suppressor is 13 oz. A good brake like the Badger FTEis going to be 6-7 oz. combine that with the extra 2" or so extra barrel length (and thus weight) to get the same velocity, the comparison isn't so bad for the can. Weight is about the same, it's about 2" longer, and has slight mirage on long strings. Meanwhile, it's easier to detach, makes the rifle quiet, it's courteous, reduces recoil immensely, and it's just plain more fun.
Over the weekend I nailed a dot drill with my suppressed rifle in a match---50/50 pts. Cold-bore, cold can, same point of aim on all five shots. Maybe my rifle was just smithed better than some others, but I don't have the cold-can shift everybody tells me about.
I've noticed everybody wants to shoot next to me. Even guys with brakes. For this reason, I'm going to get a brake for my next barrel, probably something removable so I have the option to suppress when I want, or even something that acts as a suppressor host. If everybody next to me is going to be loud as hell and blast me with gas, I may as well do the same and get the advantages of the brake.
I run a can. So far, not a problem with added weight, gun is heavy enough already that I didn't notice. I do get mirage even with the TAB cover, but it's not been so bad it hurt me. The can cools quickly and has never caused me to sting shots. My shooting has improved with the can thus far.
My suppressor is titanium. I get 45 fps with it. Seems I can run 2" or so shorter barrel and my gun is only about 4-5" longer than an unsuppressed gun getting the same velocity. Add the brake to the same gun and the suppressor is only 3-4" longer. My suppressor is 13 oz. A good brake like the Badger FTEis going to be 6-7 oz. combine that with the extra 2" or so extra barrel length (and thus weight) to get the same velocity, the comparison isn't so bad for the can. Weight is about the same, it's about 2" longer, and has slight mirage on long strings. Meanwhile, it's easier to detach, makes the rifle quiet, it's courteous, reduces recoil immensely, and it's just plain more fun.
Over the weekend I nailed a dot drill with my suppressed rifle in a match---50/50 pts. Cold-bore, cold can, same point of aim on all five shots. Maybe my rifle was just smithed better than some others, but I don't have the cold-can shift everybody tells me about.
I've noticed everybody wants to shoot next to me. Even guys with brakes. For this reason, I'm going to get a brake for my next barrel, probably something removable so I have the option to suppress when I want, or even something that acts as a suppressor host. If everybody next to me is going to be loud as hell and blast me with gas, I may as well do the same and get the advantages of the brake.
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