Spotters Swarovski STR 80 20-60x MRAD Spotting Scope--How to Apply Spotter MRAD Adjustment to Nightforce MRAD Rifle Scope

[TikkaT3XMP]

I am in the market for a premium spotting scope. I like the Swaro STR 80 MRAD. Question: Is the reticle in the Swaro FFP? Also, I am using a Nightforce NX8 4-32x50mm F1 MRAD on my long distance rifle. Are the elevation and windage corrections, based on what I am seeing in the Swaro, a direct application to the MRAD reticle in my rifle scope, i.e., if the Swaro indicates at 400 yards that I am 6 MRADs low in elevation, do I simply dial in a 6 MRAD elevation correction.

I clearly have no experience with applying spotting scope corrections to my Nighforce scope.

I appreciate your experience!

 

[Covertnoob5]

I am in the market for a premium spotting scope. I like the Swaro STR 80 MRAD. Question: Is the reticle in the Swaro FFP? Also, I am using a Nightforce NX8 4-32x50mm F1 MRAD on my long distance rifle. Are the elevation and windage corrections, based on what I am seeing in the Swaro, a direct application to the MRAD reticle in my rifle scope, i.e., if the Swaro indicates at 400 yards that I am 6 MRADs low in elevation, do I simply dial in a 6 MRAD elevation correction.

I clearly have no experience with applying spotting scope corrections to my Nighforce scope.

I appreciate your experience!

Mils are mils no matter what device they’re in, so yea if you’re 6 mils low in the spotter you’re 6 mils low in anything scope, spotter, binos, etc. Nothing to it. Straightforward and easy.

 

[carbonbased]

I believe it is FFP. Couldn’t find that info on Swaro’s product page, but this review says it is and so does this description.

Search each of those pages for “FFP”.

And since it is FFP, @Covertnoob5 is correct. A FFP mil is an FFP mil.

If the spotter wasn’t FFP, then yeah, a mil would only equal a mil in your FFP riflescope at the mag that the spotter’s SFP reticle was calibrated for.

 

[ma smith]

This whole OP and sentence is implausible, like another version of "I just bought 50 cal, what is it good for"?

....if the Swaro indicates at 400 yards that I am 6 MRADs low in elevation, do I simply dial in a 6 MRAD elevation correction

You're never going to need to spot a miss 6 of mrads at 400 yards shooting a centrefire rifle , unless you failed to setup your rifle properly (ETA..., your scope isn't zeroed, or your not actualy shooting a "long range" rifle--ie you're op is mis-characterizing your gear).

OP here are some questions

1) What kind of rifle do you shoot, have you ever shot it?
2) Have you bothered to read a book or google some basic facts about long range shooting?
3) Why do you need outrageously expensive kit you clearly have no idea how to use?
4) If you have the skills and the resources "to dive head into a new subject" what has brought you here?

An mrad is a unit of angle (dispersion), not a measurement of distance, directly. Google it, start there.

 

[TikkaT3XMP]

This whole OP and sentence is implausible, like another version of "I just bought 50 cal, what is it good for"?

You're never going to need to spot a miss 6 of mrads at 400 yards shooting a centrefire rifle , unless you failed to setup your rifle properly (ETA..., your scope isn't zeroed, or your not actualy shooting a "long range" rifle--ie you're op is mis-characterizing your gear).

OP here are some questions

1) What kind of rifle do you shoot, have you ever shot it?
2) Have you bothered to read a book or google some basic facts about long range shooting?
3) Why do you need outrageously expensive kit you clearly have no idea how to use?
4) If you have the skills and the resources "to dive head into a new subject" what has brought you here?

An mrad is a unit of angle (dispersion), not a measurement of distance, directly. Google it, start there.

I have shot rifles and pistols most of my life--I have never done precision long distance. I have zeroed my Tikka T3X TAC A1 to 100 yards and the bullets are stacking on paper. I am learning from nationally-ranked Champions in PA, who are primarily MOA-oriented versus MRAD. I am using MOA with my DDM4V7 and EOTech HWS. The MRAD example for adjustment was arbitrary, and my question, which someone answered, is what I suspected--the Swaro reticle is FFP.

Why am I here? I am looking for individuals to share their knowledge and experience, just as I have shared knowledge in my life with those seeking to excel in Korean martial arts for competitive fighting, bonsai, start-up companies, marketing, etc. after learning from some of the best in the world.

If this forum is not about offering knowledge, please correct me as I will have been mistaken.

 

[TikkaT3XMP]

I believe it is FFP. Couldn’t find that info on Swaro’s product page, but this review says it is and so does this description.

Search each of those pages for “FFP”.

And since it is FFP, @Covertnoob5 is correct. A FFP mil is an FFP mil.

If the spotter wasn’t FFP, then yeah, a mil would only equal a mil in your FFP riflescope at the mag that the spotter’s SFP reticle was calibrated for.

Thank you...this was most helpful!

 

[TikkaT3XMP]

Mils are mils no matter what device they’re in, so yea if you’re 6 mils low in the spotter you’re 6 mils low in anything scope, spotter, binos, etc. Nothing to it. Straightforward and easy.

Thank you for the confirmation!

 

[ma smith]

I have shot rifles and pistols most of my life--I have never done precision long distance. I have zeroed my Tikka T3X TAC A1 to 100 yards and the bullets are stacking on paper. I am learning from nationally-ranked Champions in PA, who are primarily MOA-oriented versus MRAD. I am using MOA with my DDM4V7 and EOTech HWS. The MRAD example for adjustment was arbitrary, and my question, which someone answered, is what I suspected--the Swaro reticle is FFP.

Why am I here? I am looking for individuals to share their knowledge and experience, just as I have shared knowledge in my life with those seeking to excel in Korean martial arts for competitive fighting, bonsai, start-up companies, marketing, etc. after learning from some of the best in the world.

If this forum is not about offering knowledge, please correct me as I will have been mistaken.

MILS and MOA are both angular measurements, like miles and kilometers are both distances. Likewise, to use them, you don't need to know the difference (or converstion between them) to know what a speed limit is and how to follow it. If you want to go 90kmh in canada, look at your speedometer and don't drive it past 90 kmh. Driving the rifle is very similar, all you are going to do is point and shoot. The rest of it, is all in the setup.

 

[Nik H]

I am in the market for a premium spotting scope. I like the Swaro STR 80 MRAD. Question: Is the reticle in the Swaro FFP? Also, I am using a Nightforce NX8 4-32x50mm F1 MRAD on my long distance rifle. Are the elevation and windage corrections, based on what I am seeing in the Swaro, a direct application to the MRAD reticle in my rifle scope, i.e., if the Swaro indicates at 400 yards that I am 6 MRADs low in elevation, do I simply dial in a 6 MRAD elevation correction.

I clearly have no experience with applying spotting scope corrections to my Nighforce scope.

I appreciate your experience!

It is FFP and mils are mils

It is a great spotter

I would strongly consider the 25-50 Wide FOV eyepiece versus the 20-60 eyepiece

 

[TikkaT3XMP]

MILS and MOA are both angular measurements, like miles and kilometers are both distances. Likewise, to use them, you don't need to know the difference (or converstion between them) to know what a speed limit is and how to follow it. If you want to go 90kmh in canada, look at your speedometer and don't drive it past 90 kmh. Driving the rifle is very similar, all you are going to do is point and shoot. The rest of it, is all in the setup.

MILS and MOA are both angular measurements, like miles and kilometers are both distances. Likewise, to use them, you don't need to know the difference (or converstion between them) to know what a speed limit is and how to follow it. If you want to go 90kmh in canada, look at your speedometer and don't drive it past 90 kmh. Driving the rifle is very similar, all you are going to do is point and shoot. The rest of it, is all in the setup.

Thanks for the video link and the parallel...I appreciate the engagement!

 

[TikkaT3XMP]

It is FFP and mils are mils

It is a great spotter

I would strongly consider the 25-50 Wide FOV eyepiece versus the 20-60 eyepiece

Why is the 25-50 Wide FOV preferable? Do you feel the field of view from the 20-60 is too narrow, or is there another benefit?

 

[Nik H]

Why is the 25-50 Wide FOV preferable? Do you feel the field of view from the 20-60 is too narrow, or is there another benefit?

The 20-60X is more narrow than other competing designs at this level (Hensoldt). The 25-50 is a bit clearer and definitely wider which helps with spotting. Check out the specs for yourself. It depends on what you think you need. The downside of the 25-50 is eye relief. I initially thought this wasn’t case but you have less eye relief with the 25-50 which means your eye has to be closer. I think it is worth the trade off but you may not

 

[Precision Underground]

Welcome to the internet where we hang out on a site meant for sharing information yet people feel the need to berate someone for asking a question that they think is beneath them. On top of that we’ll go ahead and make fun of the “expensive kit” someone wants because surely a newb doesn’t deserve high quality stuff if he hasn’t read any sniper books. If you’d have mentioned a cheap spotter and scope you would have been heckled with “that’s junk, buy once cry once moron”. So you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
The internet has ruined people

 

[ma smith]

The internet has ruined people

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[TikkaT3XMP]

I am fine with a bit of heckling...not a problem. I appreciate the collective knowledge and experience in the group. I had the opportunity to spend time with the legend Carl Bernosky at a match this weekend (what a shooter), and he pointed me to the Kowa Prominar, which he is using at the matches. I am ordering the

Kowa TSN-88A 88mm PROMINAR Spotting Scope Kit with TE-11WZ II WA-Zoom Eyepiece (Angled Viewing)​

along with the 1.6 extender. This should do the job for long distance spotting.

 

[RTH1800]

Excellent choice in going Swaro.

 

[Nik H]

I am fine with a bit of heckling...not a problem. I appreciate the collective knowledge and experience in the group. I had the opportunity to spend time with the legend Carl Bernosky at a match this weekend (what a shooter), and he pointed me to the Kowa Prominar, which he is using at the matches. I am ordering the

Kowa TSN-88A 88mm PROMINAR Spotting Scope Kit with TE-11WZ II WA-Zoom Eyepiece (Angled Viewing)​

along with the 1.6 extender. This should do the job for long distance spotting.

Kowa Prominars are great optically but they have no reticle and they never will offer a reticle either. Many F-Class shooters use Kowa because they are shooting at targets with known scales. Therefore, if you can see the hole, you can determine how far off you are.

Good luck estimating a miss on steel without a reticle

I had a lower end Kowa (TSN-82SV) which was optically good but sold it due to the lack of a reticle.