Suppressors Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

[tj223]

Ok, my birthday was yesterday, so I wanted a nice compact .45 to be my new primary ccw. I was looking at the S&W M&P and the Sig 220. I have shot a full size M&P many times and liked it, but the compact just didn't feel right in my hand. Loved the 220 but the price tag... wow!

Long story short, local gun shop guy shows me the Taurus PT145. It feels great. Love the SA/DA option, never seen a gun like that. (DA follow up on a FTF) Plus with a price tag of $369, it was looking very great.

Had a Ruger .38 to trade, so I hand it over and a $100 bill and I walk out with seemingly great carry pistol and a he threw in a holster. I'm as happy as a lark.

About an hour after I get home the trouble starts. Just like every handgun I have ever bought, the first thing I did was break it down to clean it / familiarize myself with it. At first I couldn't remove the slide, but then realized you have to fire it once(or twice) to remove the slide.

Anyway I start dry firing it to get used to the trigger and immediately I notice something wrong. If I pull the trigger in DA mode it is fine, long heavy but smooth pull then break. But when in SA (the only way to fire it, w/o a FTF), if I pull the trigger maybe 1.5-2x faster than normal, it *clicks* but does not fire. Trigger goes all the way back fully engaged but no sear movement. I let off again and now it is still in SA mode (fully cocked) and now now matter the speed it fires. Basically every time the slide cycles it takes 2 pulls of the trigger. (NOTE: If I pull the trigger slowly it fires every time.)

Ok that was enough to freak me out. Then as I am dry firing it the slide locks up all the way to the front. I can pull the trigger repeatedly(DA of course) but the slide is totally locked up. I get online and look and can't find anything. I finally luck out on how to unlock it. Basically after I pulled the trigger I had to slowly pull the slide back while I was letting off the trigger. I repeated this lock up about 10 times.(not intentionally, I thought maybe moving the slide would 'loosen' it up a bit)

Then it locked up a final time but this time the slide is about 1/8 of an inch back and I have been unable to move it either way. I have googled everything I know and have tried everything short of blunt force. I am returning the gun today and I know they will make it right.

My questions:

1 - Has anyone else had this trouble? Any experience whatsoever?

2 - Did I just get a lemon or was it a get what you pay for endeavor?

3 - Do I try another Millennium? Or hold out for one of my other options when funds allow it?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
- TJ

P.S. Sorry the post is so long I got a little carried away...

 

[Spazz.]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

Do yourself a favor and go on and take it back, if the gun store will let you. One of my best friends had a Taurus PT140, and he had nothing but trouble. The trigger was sloppy, the ejection was inconsistent, and the mag would randomly drop. He sent it back to Taurus once, they "fixed" the mag drop issue. It started happening again next range trip. Sent it back again, they gave him a new one. Same thing with it, only with a worse trigger. He called them again and they sent him a steel mag release instead of the plastic that comes in it. He filed it down so it would fit and drop the mag (he had to disassemble the gun to get the first mag out, because the release wouldn't release).

He finally sold it to a guy (yes, he knew the history of the gun before he agreed to buy it) and bought a subcompact XD40. Three weeks later, it saved if not his life, at least a long hospital visit. If he'd still had the Taurus, there's no telling what would have happened.

Lessons learned:
Stick with Taurus wheelguns if you have to buy a Taurus
Try and exchange the gun for purchase price and buy the M&P, an XD, a Glock, or a Sig.
Don't ever buy another Taurus autoloader

 

[Queequeg]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

Did you have the lock bushing engaged, even slightly? The downside of these stupid locks found on many handguns is the infrequent, but always inopportune, instances of unintended engagement. The lock on the Taurus is supposed to prevent trigger pull and slide action.

Could this have caused your problem? Was their tech support of any utility to you?

 

[Powder_Burns]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

All the Taurus Millenium series pistols are junk. Don't trust it as far as you can throw it. Its a shame too, because the ergonomics and the controls are just about perfect so in your hands it feels like a great pistol but in practice, it fails.
The applicable saying here is, 'you get what you pay for'

 

[Queequeg]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

My 145 has been very reliable. Go figure.

 

[ggmanning]

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I have had several significant issues with Taurus over the last 10 years. I no longer have any and am done with Taurus....

 

[mesquitecountry]

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Call Taurus. I own several Taurus pistols and have never had a single issue with any of them. They'll make good on it.

 

[Kpurdue04]

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You want the good news or bad. Good news is Taurus stands behind their guns and are quick to fix them when there is a problem. Bad news is I had the same pistol, PT145 and it was a great pistol at first. I used it as my backup while on duty. Firing pin began sticking after striking the primer. This caused the next round to hit the exposed firing pin as it began sliding into the chamber causing it to jam. Sent the pistol in and got it back a day before I got a letter from Taurus saying they had recieved my pistol. Worked fine for a few months until I noticed the firing pin was not quickly retracting after striking the primer. This caused a sweeping mark on the primers. Called Taurus and they said it was ok to have that mark but to send it in of I wanted and they would fix it again. I ended up sell it at a gun in order to buy a 45 compact XD which I love.

Try this and see if it works for you.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=15113.0

 

[tj223]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

Thanks for the help but I decided to just get my money back and put it toward my barrel for my .223 build. I will just carry my 1911 for now.

 

[Kilosierra]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

I had a 24/7 Pro 9mm I carried off duty for a while. It functioned flawlessly. I accidently won a PT111 Millenium Pro on a auction once, it had the same problem as the PT145. Turned out one of the pins that holds the ejector in was undersized and would slide out of the hole and bind up the trigger bar. Fixed the pin and it was 100% reliable afterwards. Ended up trading it for a PT92 which was what I was looking for in the first place.

 

[tj223]

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Update:
I decided to hang on to it and give Taurus a chance to make it right. The shop I bought it from sent it off for me and I just got it back about a month ago. The work order just says: "Replaced broken part."

But anyway all the problems are gone. She fires like a dream. 300-350 rounds down the tube flawlessly. WWB FMJ and WWB HP. I keep her in truck now. A couple hundred more rounds and I will be a total believer. I guess I just got a lemon.

 

[Jim_D303]

Re: Taurus Millennium Pro Total Lockup!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kpurdue04</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You want the good news or bad. Good news is Taurus stands behind their guns and are quick to fix them when there is a problem.</div></div>

I could not disagree more. Having worked for a Taurus dealer, they had some of the worst customer service I've ever seen.

I had a customer with a .357 Tracker 6" revolver that took him 4 trips back (IIRC, could have been 3 or 5) and 6 months worth of total wait time, to get a revolver functioning properly.

Revolver lockwork isn't exactly uncharted territory. Their quality control is just piss-poor, and their service is terrible too.

I've seen well over a dozen of their pistols have their locks self engage on shooters. This has happened in multiple product lines (pt1911's, .38 revolvers, Millennium Pro pistols, etc).

I would never recommend a Taurus to anyone after what I've seen with them.

 

[cmh2007]

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I have not had a single problem with my (er my wife's) PT111. it eats everything that i feed it, and then spits it out without fail. the only thing i dislike about them is they are not as accurate as other pistols, say my 1911. but for 330 bux im not going to complain.