I am picking up a new TC Encore muzzle loader this week anyone here have the Encore PH need help with what load is doing the best job.
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Hunting & Fishing TC Encore loads
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Re: TC Encore loads
Works fairly well in my PH:
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2 pellets of Triple 7 with Hornady 250gr SST
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Rem. "Clean" 209 Primer
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OAL...I dunno its down the barrel
Works fairly well in my PH:
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2 pellets of Triple 7 with Hornady 250gr SST
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Rem. "Clean" 209 Primer
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OAL...I dunno its down the barrel
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ive been using 3 pellets of triple 7 with 250 gr. tc shockwaves. they seem to shoot pretty well.
ive been using 3 pellets of triple 7 with 250 gr. tc shockwaves. they seem to shoot pretty well.
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Thanks for the Info RAVEN34 & GhogsNightmare that gives me a good place to start.
Thanks for the Info RAVEN34 & GhogsNightmare that gives me a good place to start.
Re: TC Encore loads
If you want to save yourself a whole lot of cleaning time stay away from Triple 7, Pyrodex,FFg, etc. Blackhorn 209 is a non sugar based propellant that cleans up with Hoppes 9 and a dry patch and 1/3 of the smoke.The only negative is that it is not avaialble in a pellet form. 100 - 110 gns. by volume and a 250 gr. Shockwave or Horn. SST, standard 209 primer (not BP primer) and you will find your sweet spot. If you want to weigh your charges with your reloading scale then use a .7 multipler of the volume charge. In other words, 74.5 gns. (weight) of Blackhorn = 105 gns. by volume. Do a search on the internet and you will see the same results.
If you want to save yourself a whole lot of cleaning time stay away from Triple 7, Pyrodex,FFg, etc. Blackhorn 209 is a non sugar based propellant that cleans up with Hoppes 9 and a dry patch and 1/3 of the smoke.The only negative is that it is not avaialble in a pellet form. 100 - 110 gns. by volume and a 250 gr. Shockwave or Horn. SST, standard 209 primer (not BP primer) and you will find your sweet spot. If you want to weigh your charges with your reloading scale then use a .7 multipler of the volume charge. In other words, 74.5 gns. (weight) of Blackhorn = 105 gns. by volume. Do a search on the internet and you will see the same results.
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2 triple seven pellets and a 245 gr powerbelt aero tip bullet. Very accurate and devastating!!
2 triple seven pellets and a 245 gr powerbelt aero tip bullet. Very accurate and devastating!!
Re: TC Encore loads
Thanks for all the Info I have a lot to learn, anyone tried IMR White Hots propellant
Thanks for all the Info I have a lot to learn, anyone tried IMR White Hots propellant
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I shoot a lot of rounds throughout the year as a hobby and after many many rounds and lots of cash the best 100 yard group from my T/C Pro Hunter is 2 Triple Seven Magnum pellets "RED BOX" and a 250 Grain Hornady SST Bullet. It should shoot 1" groups or less at 100 if you clean between each shot and do your part on the trigger.
I've used the white hots which do clean up very easily but I wasn't getting as much velocity as other 50 grain pellets. Keep in mind the Magnum pellets are about 65 grains each and the white hots are only 50. The magnums produce around 1930 FPS and the white hots will usually produce around 1690-1730 FPS. Pyrodex will produce mid 1800's. All muzzle loaders are slightly different so play with various loads to find the best one for YOUR gun.
I shoot a lot of rounds throughout the year as a hobby and after many many rounds and lots of cash the best 100 yard group from my T/C Pro Hunter is 2 Triple Seven Magnum pellets "RED BOX" and a 250 Grain Hornady SST Bullet. It should shoot 1" groups or less at 100 if you clean between each shot and do your part on the trigger.
I've used the white hots which do clean up very easily but I wasn't getting as much velocity as other 50 grain pellets. Keep in mind the Magnum pellets are about 65 grains each and the white hots are only 50. The magnums produce around 1930 FPS and the white hots will usually produce around 1690-1730 FPS. Pyrodex will produce mid 1800's. All muzzle loaders are slightly different so play with various loads to find the best one for YOUR gun.
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I hunt with a TC Encore 209 x 50. After many years of using Pyrodex and unique cleaning and lubes, I switched to the Blackhorn 209.
Load is 110g of powder, 209 primer, and 250g TC Superglide Shockwave.
Less smoke after the shot, less residue, and the 2 deer I have taken this year ran no more than 15 yards after being hit.
Measuring powder is a minus, but cleaning is a very strong plus.
I hunt with a TC Encore 209 x 50. After many years of using Pyrodex and unique cleaning and lubes, I switched to the Blackhorn 209.
Load is 110g of powder, 209 primer, and 250g TC Superglide Shockwave.
Less smoke after the shot, less residue, and the 2 deer I have taken this year ran no more than 15 yards after being hit.
Measuring powder is a minus, but cleaning is a very strong plus.
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I shoot the smokeless Savage, but my hunting buddy uses an Encore.
He shoots 3 Triple 7 pellets and the Barnes Barnes 245 grain Spit-Fires
He gets excellent groups and the results are devastating.
I shoot the smokeless Savage, but my hunting buddy uses an Encore.
He shoots 3 Triple 7 pellets and the Barnes Barnes 245 grain Spit-Fires
He gets excellent groups and the results are devastating.
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I shoot 112 GRS. Triple seven powder, Winchester Triple seven primers, Precision Rifles Dead Center bullets 195 Grs.
I have done some trigger work that has improved my load developement, these are all cast parts so the have a ridge where the casting lines are, this is what I don't like about Thompson, I took the assembly apart and filed and polished every part that rubbed together. This took my trigger pull from a rough inconsistant 6 lbs down to 2 lbs.
Although loose powder may not be as easy to use, you get a much better burn rate and compaction with it, and you know your bullet depth is the same. Anyone that has ever used pellets knows that when you seat the bullet that SOMETIMES the pellets crack, this leads to the bullet depth never being the same, which is why you get 4,3,2, maybe one inch groups.
Take a little extra time and shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 and you would be amazed what it will do at 2 and 300 yrds.
I shoot 112 GRS. Triple seven powder, Winchester Triple seven primers, Precision Rifles Dead Center bullets 195 Grs.
I have done some trigger work that has improved my load developement, these are all cast parts so the have a ridge where the casting lines are, this is what I don't like about Thompson, I took the assembly apart and filed and polished every part that rubbed together. This took my trigger pull from a rough inconsistant 6 lbs down to 2 lbs.
Although loose powder may not be as easy to use, you get a much better burn rate and compaction with it, and you know your bullet depth is the same. Anyone that has ever used pellets knows that when you seat the bullet that SOMETIMES the pellets crack, this leads to the bullet depth never being the same, which is why you get 4,3,2, maybe one inch groups.
Take a little extra time and shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 and you would be amazed what it will do at 2 and 300 yrds.
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+1 for Blackhorn 209 I shoot 100 Grains with a 250g TC Superglide Shockwave and a 209 Primer. Nice groups and easy to clean.
+1 for Blackhorn 209 I shoot 100 Grains with a 250g TC Superglide Shockwave and a 209 Primer. Nice groups and easy to clean.
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Triple 7 is an extremely hygroscopic powder. So I have sworn off of it. It did shoot very accurately, but just too many problems with moisture and T7.
If you still want to use it I would go with the loose powder. Too many easy ways to slightly crush the pellets, and your accuracy will suffer.
If you really want to stay with the pellets then put a drill stop on your ram rod or range rod when you load your barrel. That way you can not crush the sabots because the drill stop will prevent you from pushing the ram rod down too far.
I use a drill stop on all my ram rods regardless of which powder I shoot. The most critical part of accuracy is pressure. So you need your pressure to be as consistent as possible. And as we all know volume is a main component of pressure. So you want your volume to be as consistent as possible. So by using the drill stop you are seating your powder and bullet to the same spot-thereby keeping your volume consistent. Your groups will improve with a 99 cent drill stop. Knight is bringing out a top grade range rod with this exact concept, except there rod also has a bore guide. Tom.
Triple 7 is an extremely hygroscopic powder. So I have sworn off of it. It did shoot very accurately, but just too many problems with moisture and T7.
If you still want to use it I would go with the loose powder. Too many easy ways to slightly crush the pellets, and your accuracy will suffer.
If you really want to stay with the pellets then put a drill stop on your ram rod or range rod when you load your barrel. That way you can not crush the sabots because the drill stop will prevent you from pushing the ram rod down too far.
I use a drill stop on all my ram rods regardless of which powder I shoot. The most critical part of accuracy is pressure. So you need your pressure to be as consistent as possible. And as we all know volume is a main component of pressure. So you want your volume to be as consistent as possible. So by using the drill stop you are seating your powder and bullet to the same spot-thereby keeping your volume consistent. Your groups will improve with a 99 cent drill stop. Knight is bringing out a top grade range rod with this exact concept, except there rod also has a bore guide. Tom.
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110gr Triple 7 FFG loose powder
250 gr Parker Ballistic Extreme
Remington Kleenbore primer
Shoot it in cold weather, let the barrel sit and cool down between shots. Run wet spit patch between shots
Im my Encore I shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards that you could cover with a nickel!
110gr Triple 7 FFG loose powder
250 gr Parker Ballistic Extreme
Remington Kleenbore primer
Shoot it in cold weather, let the barrel sit and cool down between shots. Run wet spit patch between shots
Im my Encore I shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards that you could cover with a nickel!
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mine will not shoot 250gr bullets straight. 300gr sst lock and loads are its favorite over 3 777 pellets. mine likes to have a brush ran through it one time between shots. if i dont it doesn't effect it much intill shot 6 butif i shoot it with a completly clean it has to have a fouling shot. thats why i use a brush between shots. it cleans it a little but not to much
mine will not shoot 250gr bullets straight. 300gr sst lock and loads are its favorite over 3 777 pellets. mine likes to have a brush ran through it one time between shots. if i dont it doesn't effect it much intill shot 6 butif i shoot it with a completly clean it has to have a fouling shot. thats why i use a brush between shots. it cleans it a little but not to much
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Thats another well brought up subject about cleaning. You really dont want to get them too clean. I spit patch and then a dry one then let the gun cool down. It took me a while to find the load but it really shoots well in it.
Thats another well brought up subject about cleaning. You really dont want to get them too clean. I spit patch and then a dry one then let the gun cool down. It took me a while to find the load but it really shoots well in it.
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3 triple 7 50 grain pellets
250 grain shockwave
winchester 209 primers
good out to 200yds +
can shoot twice, then run a patch thru it, otherwise hard to load
3 triple 7 50 grain pellets
250 grain shockwave
winchester 209 primers
good out to 200yds +
can shoot twice, then run a patch thru it, otherwise hard to load
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Two 3-7's and a 300 grn Barnes.
Haven't had any moisture problems.
Also don't have any bullets to show, because of the hole they leave.
In my gun they are VERY tight.
Older Encores recomended 100 grn as max.
Usually run it with the camo composite thumbhole to cut down on weight.(same as turkey gun)
Not sure on 100 yard group size, but most shots are less than half that, and I only get one.(not 5)
As for cleaning, I tried four different things one night, and found that shooters choice copper worked the best.
At the time I didn't have any Butches or Montana extreme.
Hope this helps and happy hunting,
TC
Two 3-7's and a 300 grn Barnes.
Haven't had any moisture problems.
Also don't have any bullets to show, because of the hole they leave.
In my gun they are VERY tight.
Older Encores recomended 100 grn as max.
Usually run it with the camo composite thumbhole to cut down on weight.(same as turkey gun)
Not sure on 100 yard group size, but most shots are less than half that, and I only get one.(not 5)
As for cleaning, I tried four different things one night, and found that shooters choice copper worked the best.
At the time I didn't have any Butches or Montana extreme.
Hope this helps and happy hunting,
TC
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