Tell me what I'm doing wrong (with video)

[Gil P.]

I'm looking from some insite from you guys about what's wrong with my position.

Reticle always ends up 1 mil high and a half mil left after recoil.

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[Seymour Fish]

I'm looking from some insite from you guys about what's wrong with my position.

Reticle always ends up 1 mil high and a half mil left after recoil.
No bipod movement so look at the back end. Butt slipping a hair ?

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[Klemm]

Not supporting the rear of the rifle, rear of stock is moving(fish tailing)on recoil. Need a rear bag that allows you to pinch the stock with your thumb and index finger. Tab gear rear bag.

 

[Gil P.]

Not supporting the rear of the rifle, rear of stock is moving(fish tailing)on recoil. Need a rear bag that allows you to pinch the stock with your thumb and index finger. Tab gear rear bag.

Thank you sir.

Ive got the tab bag with a the zipper to use your own fill.

I'll start practicing with it. I'll watch Frank and Marc's videos on it again as well.

 

[Klemm]

Let us know if that works

 

[SonoranPrecision]

How much rearward pressure are you applying with your shooting hand? Also how solid is the rear bag you are using?

Ending up 1 mil high indicates the butt of the stock is dropping during recoil, that has some to do with the rear bag, but also the rifle to shoulder connection. I try to get the butt of the rifle a little higher in my shoulder for that reason. That can mean raising the butt pad if it is adjustable, or simply raising the whole rifle. Holding the rifle to the rear will also aid in not allowing the butt to shift under recoil.

Also, it appears that you are “dipping” your right shoulder down to the gun. This indicates you are in too low of a prone position. I would raise the bipod a notch or two until your shoulders are level.

This first picture is your shoulder/arm relationship while shooting

This second is just before you drop into position, and it more of what you are after as far as even shoulders/arms

The rifle also seems to be pointed slight to the right of where your body is pointing, but that could just be the camera.

 

[Gil P.]

How much rearward pressure are you applying with your shooting hand? Also how solid is the rear bag you are using?

Ending up 1 mil high indicates the butt of the stock is dropping during recoil, that has some to do with the rear bag, but also the rifle to shoulder connection. I try to get the butt of the rifle a little higher in my shoulder for that reason. That can mean raising the butt pad if it is adjustable, or simply raising the whole rifle. Holding the rifle to the rear will also aid in not allowing the butt to shift under recoil.

Also, it appears that you are “dipping” your right shoulder down to the gun. This indicates you are in too low of a prone position. I would raise the bipod a notch or two until your shoulders are level.

This first picture is your shoulder/arm relationship while shooting
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This second is just before you drop into position, and it more of what you are after as far as even shoulders/arms
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The rifle also seems to be pointed slight to the right of where your body is pointing, but that could just be the camera.

I'm applying a medium amount of pressure. Somewhere between light and very firm.

The bag I'm using is the Precision Underground 3D ELR. It's positioned on the tall end, the rear bag can't get any taller. I'm also shooting down hill, the legs of the bipod are only extended to their first notch. I've got a taller rear bag I can use, so maybe I'll try that before the TAB gear bag.

The rifle has the McM 3 way adjustable butt plate. The butt pad is set about an inch higher than flush. I could certainly adjust it higher.

The butt pad is canted slightly to the right. If I raise the butt pad, I'll have to cant it even more so it won't jam into my neck. Would canting the butt pad aggressively have any I'll effects?

I thought my body was canted off to the right when I reviewed the video too, but you're right, it might just be the camera. I'll have to take another video from a better angle to verify.

 

[SonoranPrecision]

I'm applying a medium amount of pressure. Somewhere between light and very firm.

The bag I'm using is the Precision Underground 3D ELR. It's positioned on the tall end, the rear bag can't get any taller. I'm also shooting down hill, the legs of the bipod are only extended to their first notch. I've got a taller rear bag I can use, so maybe I'll try that before the TAB gear bag.

The rifle has the McM 3 way adjustable butt plate. The butt pad is set about an inch higher than flush. I could certainly adjust it higher.

The butt pad is canted slightly to the right. If I raise the butt pad, I'll have to cant it even more so it won't jam into my neck. Would canting the butt pad aggressively have any I'll effects?

I thought my body was canted off to the right when I reviewed the video too, but you're right, it might just be the camera. I'll have to take another video from a better angle to verify.

Thanks for the added info.
All that being the case, the biggest issue I see is really the dipped right shoulder. Definitely try a taller bag before anything else, and only change one thing at a time. If you’re already into your neck with the butt, then don’t worry about shifting the butt, you just need to get that right shoulder up even with the left. Or you could work on getting the other shoulder down. Whichever way you go, you just want to be even and square.

Also, I believe Frank has said in the past that as long as you are coming back to within 1 mil of where you started, that about all that can be expected. That said, IMO with a light recoiling cartridge, in a heavy rifle, with a muzzle break, being .5 mil is probably a good goal.

 

[Gil P.]

Thanks for the added info.
All that being the case, the biggest issue I see is really the dipped right shoulder. Definitely try a taller bag before anything else, and only change one thing at a time. If you’re already into your neck with the butt, then don’t worry about shifting the butt, you just need to get that right shoulder up even with the left. Or you could work on getting the other shoulder down. Whichever way you go, you just want to be even and square.

Also, I believe Frank has said in the past that as long as you are coming back to within 1 mil of where you started, that about all that can be expected. That said, IMO with a light recoiling cartridge, in a heavy rifle, with a muzzle break, being .5 mil is probably a good goal.

Good to know. This rifle weighs 16 lbs, shooting a 139 gr Scenar in a 6.5x47 Lapua to give you an idea. Im using a Hawkins brake. The reduction in recoil it provides isn't as noticeable as a Hellfire.

I'll work on the shoulder thing. I'm sure I can get my reticle movement close to half a mil once I get my position down.

 

[Gil P.]

I think I found part of the problem.

When in prone, I was pulling my left elbow back so that it was parallel with my right elbow. This caused my left shoulder to lift.

I extended my left elbow forward in a more relaxed position and my shoulders leveled out. I tried this with the PURG bar and a taller Cole Tac Woobie. Same results with both bags depending on my elbow position.

 

[SonoranPrecision]

Looks way more relaxed. Good discovery

 

[Gil P.]

The photo of my position doesn't look perfect, but it's an improvement.

I'll keep working on it.

 

[Gil P.]

Looks way more relaxed. Good discovery

I just received some leg extensions for my cadex bipod and ordered a PURG ELR pro bag. They advertise it as being a little taller than their others. I used to have the Strapped ELR bag, but ended up sticking with the 3D ELR.

I'll shoot a few rounds with my old set up, then add the leg extensions and new bag to see if it makes a difference. I have long alien-like arms and almost never use the lowest setting of the bipod anyway. Sometimes my bipod isn't tall enough when shooting on an incline.

 

[SonoranPrecision]

I just received some leg extensions for my cadex bipod and ordered a PURG ELR pro bag. They advertise it as being a little taller than their others. I used to have the Strapped ELR bag, but ended up sticking with the 3D ELR.

I'll shoot a few rounds with my old set up, then add the leg extensions and new bag to see if it makes a difference. I have long alien-like arms and almost never use the lowest setting of the bipod anyway. Sometimes my bipod isn't tall enough when shooting on an incline.

I’m honestly the same way. It makes it hard to balance having a long enough LOP for prone, but short enough for positional stuff. It’s definitely a balancing act, but getting a little higher really helped in the prone.