Terrapin X vs. Geovid HD-B vs. Sig 2400

[Cold_Bore_88]

Looking for a better rangefinder. The Bushnell 1 Mile ARC needs to be replaced. I consistently have issues ranging around 1000 yards.

The question is do I get some Leica geovid bino 2200s for around 2k (the 3000 is 3k) or do I go Terrapin X?

Should I even consider the Sig 2400 BDX? Will the 2400ABS link to a Kestrel?

The Terrapin obviously has some better features and range. But I wonder if the binos would be better (carry one piece of equipment.

I have ranges out to 1 mile where I hunt and would like to use for PRS matches.

Thoughts? Just want opinions.

The other option is to get a Terrapin and save up for a nice spotting scope (need to save up if I do this).

 

[Wyzrd]

I just recently got some Leica Geovid HD-R 10x42 LRF binos. I was checking out the 2200’s too, but got a great deal on these. Anyways, I got these for probably 85% glassing and 15% ranging. Right now, I don’t need to be able to range targets past 1200 yds, so between this and my backup Kilo2000, I’m GTG. If you find that you shoot past 1200 yds on a regular basis, I would definitely look hard at those 2200’s or the Terrapin. For hunting purposes, it’ll be convenient to have your LRF and binos in one.?

 

[scocoabeach]

I’d throw the Sig Kilo 3000BDX binos on the list. They should be available pretty soon from what I’ve heard.

 

[Cold_Bore_88]

I’d throw the Sig Kilo 3000BDX binos on the list. They should be available pretty soon from what I’ve heard.

Really concerned with the optical quality these will have. Sig has some great optics (no doubt) but 1100 bucks for 3000 yards and clear optics seems to good to be true. May be surprised though.

 

[scocoabeach]

Agree with you on that. I haven’t preordered them yet as I want to see some reviews first. Finger crossed they will a contender.

 

[Cold_Bore_88]

Anyone run the HD-B 3000s yet?

 

[Pvt.Donut]

I wouldn't hold your breath on the Sig 3000. Just got word that it's been discontinued before it hit the market. Sig seems to do this fairly often. They could reintroduce it in 2019 but Sig makes lines changes more often that I change underwear.

 

[catorres1]

I just got off the phone with my Sig contact. It is correct that the 3000 will not be released in 2018, however, it is still on track for 2019 according to what I was told. That said, if you are looking for EL or Leica glass with an RF for the current price point on the 3000, you will be disappointed. From what I am told, the 3000 will be in the Zulu 5 class of glass. So if you are holding out for one and want to get an idea of the kind of binos you will get in the package, check those out and see if they meet your needs.

 

[regency]

I have the Leica binos and the new Terrapin. The terrapin is a better ranging tool no doubt. The Binos are a better for hunting and hobby. I shoot anything from 50% to 100% IPSC targets on my own range. I can tell you that when you get to 750+ yards, the terrapin starts to shine. The ability to mount it to a tripod and press the scan button from a cell phone is huge!

Some the the targets are just too small for the Leica's. You never know if you are over ranging your target (with it's large scan box) unless you really take the time to range left and right of it to guarantee you are not about to over shoot it.

Now, if terrapin came out with some binos with the same laser and capabilities... that would be tits!

 

[scocoabeach]

I just got off the phone with my Sig contact. It is correct that the 3000 will not be released in 2018, however, it is still on track for 2019 according to what I was told.

That’s disappointing news. Thanks for the update. I had set up stock alerts and B&H had sent an email a week or two ago saying they were expecting them soon. I will order from a hide dealer if I end up going with them. I’ll have to look for those binos somewhere to check them out for image quality. What really interests me with the SIG is the integration with the Kestrel or Garmin Foretrex. Did they give you and idea of when in 2019? That could be a month away, a year away, or sometime sometime in between. I’ll be looking at other options if it’s not very early 2019.

 

[Cold_Bore_88]

I have the Leica binos and the new Terrapin. The terrapin is a better ranging tool no doubt. The Binos are a better for hunting and hobby. I shoot anything from 50% to 100% IPSC targets on my own range. I can tell you that when you get to 750+ yards, the terrapin starts to shine. The ability to mount it to a tripod and press the scan button from a cell phone is huge!

Some the the targets are just too small for the Leica's. You never know if you are over ranging your target (with it's large scan box) unless you really take the time to range left and right of it to guarantee you are not about to over shoot it.

Now, if terrapin came out with some binos with the same laser and capabilities... that would be tits!

Thanks for the info. This is the feedback I was looking for.

 

[gr8fuldoug]

I have been in this industry a VERY long time and I will share this with you, when a company gives an estimated delivery time on a new product, especially on with any electronics in it, it is a guesstimate at best. Always figure later rather than sooner and my advice is to wait a month or so after they hit the market to see if there are any "glitches" with it.
Just my $.02 from experience

 

[Jperk0278]

I have been in this industry a VERY long time and I will share this with you, when a company gives an estimated delivery time on a new product, especially on with any electronics in it, it is a guesstimate at best. Always figure later rather than sooner and my advice is to wait a month or so after they hit the market to see if there are any "glitches" with it.
Just my $.02 from experience

Doug, I have my first rangefinder purchase narrowed down to a sig 2400 or a Leica 2700. Do you see anything coming out next year that would be worth postponing this purchase for due to better price and features?

 

[gr8fuldoug]

I have not heard of anything revolutionary yet, however, that doesn't mean that there's nothing under wraps till SHOT. I can say that, IMO, the Leica Rangemaster CRF 2700-B is the best of best

 

[Jperk0278]

I have not heard of anything revolutionary yet, however, that doesn't mean that there's nothing under wraps till SHOT. I can say that, IMO, the Leica Rangemaster CRF 2700-B is the best of best

Thanks Doug. I guess I should probably wait a month to find out, but patience isn’t a strong suit here.

 

[gr8fuldoug]

 

[triatleta]

I do not think that can go out something more performant of the price range of the Terrapin x, also because if they did not sell more products like the Newcon 3500, Steiner 1535LRF, Vectronix Plrf25....

 

[MTETM]

We have used the Leica's since they were released and the laser and glass are fantastic and fast.. Glass can be fast right...? We have used them to shoot steel matches, hunt and practice, never an issue. I would buy them again over the others listed. Somewhere here I posted a review of the Leica, vs. the Sig 2400... Leica wins. Will it hit a 6 in plate at 800, good question, but it will sure paint the base of the post the plate is hanging on. It will hit our 24x24 plate at 1530, damn near every time. We carry the Leica, the 2400 and 2200 when we are at matches or hunting.. We have not missed a target due to a poor ranging with any of units hunting or in a match.
The decision needs to be what your primary use will be. If you have time and energy to mount the unit and try to paint a small steel at range, then the TerrX will likely be a better fit. If you want to use them in conjuction with the binos to id targets and get accurate ranges, then do not be nervous about the Leicas.

 

[Lowlight]

What I have found the biggest difference to be using all these lasers is the actual target.

We can hit big stuff like a house or vehicle and most will give you a reading. But once you go to an actual target, the field narrows rather quickly. I was using the Nikon Black 4K last week and unit will hit rocks and the side of a hill at 2000 yards, depending on the light, but it won't hit a target. I found it stopped hitting actual targets around 1200 yards in most cases.

The Sig Kilo2400AB will get targets to 1 mile but they have to be reflective. None reflective targets hover around 1500. The reticle, the doughnut is just too large and on top of that, you have to determine where in that circle is actually sending the beam. Which is why, when you range stuff like a house it works greats, but you end up missing small targets.

The Terrapin will get targets to about 2400m, after that it will hit houses and whatnot farther.

Just hitting a house really far away does not tell the story, we shoot targets, not houses and cars, and billboards.

We need a standard like an IPSC target, Vectronix stated this, a 2m plate at 2000m is the spec.

 

[HogsLife]

Have you put any thought into a RF/Bino combo? What’s your budget? Euro Optics is having a sale on the Zeiss Victory RF 10x45’s for $1750 or so. Glass is amazing, reviews that I’ve read of the actual RF puts it above both the Swaro and the Leica, with extremely quick feedback. Only downfall I see is it only gives you corrected range for angle out to 500 yds.

 

[DetroitRearView]

The 2400 ABS is a great hunting tool for big game out to 800 yards - which is reasonable max range IMHO with excellent conditions, etc. once you determine the location of the laser 1.3x1.3 relative to the reticle approx 23”x23” @ 500 yards it provides a quick and accurate shooting solution for the hunting dynamic. I had one for a while and it was very effective on game, sold it to a local friend who wanted it real bad and had always regretted it. Because of the amazingly rapid scan mode it will work well because you can interpret the readout relative to visual relationships - if you do your homework with your particular unit (again laser beam relative to the large reticle).

I really liked the X unit during the warmer weather, the laser was spot on centered in the reticle, BT was great to my 5700 and much better for any targets at longer ranges...BUT I have a severe circulation problem and once we got into cold weather hunting it was very frustrating for me to use as I could not feel the button, pressing it when I didn’t wan to and not pressing it when having a shot opportunity on a fine Mule deer buck. Because of the wait time and BT to the 5700 and my personal issues it just didn’t work for me.

So for LR work and steel I went back to my original Terrapin, super accurate, 3D, etched reticle etc and buttons that are large and have an audible click - combined with my dope and 5700 it is fabulous. Picked up another sig 2400 ABS from a member here at a great price for general hunting purposes.

If the best of the sig and original Terrapin / Terrapin X were merged I think it would be ideal for everything.

Heart shot bedded 571 yards Sig 2400ABS, one and done.

 

[TangoSierra916]

@DetroitRearView - Thanks for the pic and insight above on the X vs. 2400. Can you go a bit more into the BT issues you had with the X when you were hunting? Were you saying the cold caused a lag time between the X and Kestrel? (sorry if I misunderstood).

Have you experienced any issues with the 2400ABS in the cold?

 

[DetroitRearView]

@DetroitRearView - Thanks for the pic and insight above on the X vs. 2400. Can you go a bit more into the BT issues you had with the X when you were hunting? Were you saying the cold caused a lag time between the X and Kestrel? (sorry if I misunderstood).

Have you experienced any issues with the 2400ABS in the cold?

Sorry if I was not clear. I personally have Raynaud’s syndrome - in which I can and often do lose blood circulation to my extremities. The T-X is a great piece of kit, but for me - in the cold weather (think Wyoming 20 mph winds and very cold temps) I lose all feeling in my fingers at times. The ergonomics of the range button on the T-X is so smooth I could not tell if I was hitting it or not; thusly ranging before I wanted to or not at all.

The original Terrapin has larger buttons with and audible definite click when activated.

If it were not for that one issue I would have kept the T-X; I really think they did a great job. The problem is as is almost always the case - me.

No problems with the BT, but I did learn to turnoff the BT function on the T-X (3 quick clicks and choose) before shutting down the 5700 so that the RF would not continue to search for the Kestrel. The BT function is very strong - I could set the kestrel 5-10’ away and still get an instant reading; regardless of weather conditions.

No problems with the 2400 in the cold, except that which is common with all RF’s = cold batteries go down faster than warm ones. I normally keep spares in a pouch with a small “hot hands” packet. Same for iPhone, etc

T-X ranging at 957 yards with my Blaser 300N - 2 called nipple shots and the 3rd a head shot in 10-15mph winds.

If you are primarily shooting steel or comps I would go with the T-X.

For hunting, the 2400ABS.

 

[TangoSierra916]

@DetroitRearView - I appreciate the response that helps alot. In your experience with both the T-X and 2400, have both produced the same firing solutions when ranging the same distance? Or has one ever calculated the wrong solution for you? I know theyre both very solid just curious.

As far as the 2400 for hunting, you give it the knod due to only having to carry one thing versus 2 with the T-X/Kestrel?

Thanks again!

 

[DetroitRearView]

@DetroitRearView - I appreciate the response that helps alot. In your experience with both the T-X and 2400, have both produced the same firing solutions when ranging the same distance? Or has one ever calculated the wrong solution for you? I know theyre both very solid just curious.

As far as the 2400 for hunting, you give it the knod due to only having to carry one thing versus 2 with the T-X/Kestrel?

Thanks again!

Not sure how to answer the solution question. Both are based on the AB engine, conditions change by the moment...never a wrong solution = again if anything user error on my part; either in setup or me not interpreting the range correctly - which relates to question 2 - 2400 larger round beam - fine for my general hunting purposes and a quick - I need it it right now and usually don’t have time to kestrel the wind anyhow.

The new Terrapin is larger, needs the 5700 or similar, has better glass, tighter beam and is upgradable for future BT compatibility and functionality.

The original Terrapin is the most consistent RF I have ever used as far as giving me correct identical distance readings.

This is Just my experience, other members on SH have much more experience and knowledge as to how these time measurement machines actually work.

 

[Dthomas3523]

What I have found the biggest difference to be using all these lasers is the actual target.

We can hit big stuff like a house or vehicle and most will give you a reading. But once you go to an actual target, the field narrows rather quickly. I was using the Nikon Black 4K last week and unit will hit rocks and the side of a hill at 2000 yards, depending on the light, but it won't hit a target. I found it stopped hitting actual targets around 1200 yards in most cases.

The Sig Kilo2400AB will get targets to 1 mile but they have to be reflective. None reflective targets hover around 1500. The reticle, the doughnut is just too large and on top of that, you have to determine where in that circle is actually sending the beam. Which is why, when you range stuff like a house it works greats, but you end up missing small targets.

The Terrapin will get targets to about 2400m, after that it will hit houses and whatnot farther.

Just hitting a house really far away does not tell the story, we shoot targets, not houses and cars, and billboards.

We need a standard like an IPSC target, Vectronix stated this, a 2m plate at 2000m is the spec.

Frank,

Terrapin X hitting ipsc to 2400, or where did you find it stopped hitting ipsc steel at?

Probably buying one next week, but just want to make sure. 1500 ipsc is probably the farthest/smallest I’ll need.

Thanks

 

[Cold_Bore_88]

Frank,

Terrapin X hitting ipsc to 2400, or where did you find it stopped hitting ipsc steel at?

Probably buying one next week, but just want to make sure. 1500 ipsc is probably the farthest/smallest I’ll need.

Thanks

I ended up buying the Terrapin. I can verify what Frank said above. I have ranged trees and haybails out to 2800. Steel targets are no problem.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I ended up buying the Terrapin. I can verify what Frank said above. I have ranged trees and haybails out to 2800. Steel targets are no problem.

Any regrets? I’m probably going to order one this week.

 

[Cold_Bore_88]

Any regrets? I’m probably going to order one this week.

Performance, clarity, ruggedness all get top marks. If you want a dedicated RF, this is it.

The only downside to a Terrapin X (IMO) is that it’s a separate piece of equipment. I hate carrying binos and a rangefinder.