The NRAs explanation of why the 6.5Creedmoor is better than .260............

[Im2bent]

"High BC bullets might be important for long-range shooting, but they’re not the only thing that matters. Velocity—just as it always has been and always will be—is important, too. For example, 6.5 Creedmoor is generally touted as being a better long-range cartridge than the .260 Rem., even though the .260 Rem. has more powder capacity and can push bullets faster. The reason for this is that factory rifles for the Creedmoor are built with a 1:8-inch twist as opposed to the 1:9-inch rifling twist of the .260. Because of this, factory Creedmoor ammo can be loaded with higher BC bullets."

And the entire article..... https://www.shootingillustrated.com...l&utm_campaign=020223email&utm_id=020223email

 

[Lowlight]

idiots

 

[whatsupdoc]

Jesus Christ not another stupid 260 vs Creed thread.

 

[hollowoutadime]

 

[n2ishun]

The NRAs explanation of why the 6.5Creedmoor is better than .260​

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Hornady marketing dollars ?

 

[lash]

Great click-bait using just that quote and not the whole discussion. For those wondering, the OPs title is just that, click bait to get people arguing.

Here’s the rest of that brief discussion:

“But, let’s make a comparison. Using Hornady’s advertised data, let’s compare a 147-grain ELD Match bullet from a Creedmoor with a 130-grain ELD Match bullet from a .260 Rem. The 147-grain bullet has a G1 BC of .697 and the 130-grain bullet’s G1 BC is .554. The Creedmoor’s bullet has a 26-percent BC advantage. But, in factory ammo the 130-grain .260 bullet has a 6-percent velocity advantage.

According to Hornady’s 4DOF calculator, at 1,000 yards the 130-grain bullet from the .260 Rem. will need 29.78 MOA of elevation correction to hit point-of-aim, and the bullet from the
6.5 Creedmoor will need 29.93 MOA. The lighter, faster, lower BC bullet, has a slight edge. Why? Time of flight. You see, since gravity is a constant, and since all bullets fall to Earth at the same rate, the difference is how far they can travel in the same amount of time.

The 130-grain bullet from the .260 will get to 800 yards .003 second before the 147-grain bullet from the 6.5 Creedmoor. So, to that distance, the faster moving 130-grain bullet has less drop. In fact, because of its early speed and flatter trajectory advantage, it still has less drop out to 1,000 yards, even though it gets there almost .02 second after the higher BC bullet. Beyond 1,000 yards, the higher BC bullet shoots flatter and faster, because its higher BC has helped it retain velocity better. The higher BC bullet will also show less wind drift.

I still don’t know what qualifies as “high BC” or “long range,” but I do know this: From a trajectory standpoint, it takes a tremendous increase in BC to make up for just a small increase in velocity. High BC bullets are great for distance shooting if you don’t have to sacrifice too much velocity to shoot them.”

Then of course, there’s the question of twist rate. Who even buys a .260 with 1:9 twist rate anyway?

Nowhere in the article does the NRA say one is better than the other.

 

[Lowlight]

What happens if they put the 147 in the 260 LOL

Oh wait they already changed the twist rate variable so they can't ....

 

[Im2bent]

Great click-bait using just that quote and not the whole discussion. For those wondering, the OPs title is just that, click bait to get people arguing.

Here’s the rest of that brief discussion:

“But, let’s make a comparison. Using Hornady’s advertised data, let’s compare a 147-grain ELD Match bullet from a Creedmoor with a 130-grain ELD Match bullet from a .260 Rem. The 147-grain bullet has a G1 BC of .697 and the 130-grain bullet’s G1 BC is .554. The Creedmoor’s bullet has a 26-percent BC advantage. But, in factory ammo the 130-grain .260 bullet has a 6-percent velocity advantage.

According to Hornady’s 4DOF calculator, at 1,000 yards the 130-grain bullet from the .260 Rem. will need 29.78 MOA of elevation correction to hit point-of-aim, and the bullet from the
6.5 Creedmoor will need 29.93 MOA. The lighter, faster, lower BC bullet, has a slight edge. Why? Time of flight. You see, since gravity is a constant, and since all bullets fall to Earth at the same rate, the difference is how far they can travel in the same amount of time.

The 130-grain bullet from the .260 will get to 800 yards .003 second before the 147-grain bullet from the 6.5 Creedmoor. So, to that distance, the faster moving 130-grain bullet has less drop. In fact, because of its early speed and flatter trajectory advantage, it still has less drop out to 1,000 yards, even though it gets there almost .02 second after the higher BC bullet. Beyond 1,000 yards, the higher BC bullet shoots flatter and faster, because its higher BC has helped it retain velocity better. The higher BC bullet will also show less wind drift.

I still don’t know what qualifies as “high BC” or “long range,” but I do know this: From a trajectory standpoint, it takes a tremendous increase in BC to make up for just a small increase in velocity. High BC bullets are great for distance shooting if you don’t have to sacrifice too much velocity to shoot them.”

Then of course, there’s the question of twist rate. Who even buys a .260 with 1:9 twist rate anyway?

Nowhere in the article does the NRA say one is better than the other.

So you agree with this statement directly from the article? "The reason for this is that factory rifles for the Creedmoor are built with a 1:8-inch twist as opposed to the 1:9-inch rifling twist of the .260. Because of this, factory Creedmoor ammo can be loaded with higher BC bullets"

 

[hafejd30]

 

[hollowoutadime]

.260 Master Race

 

[Lowlight]

I shoot a ton of 260s, same twist as the 6.5CM

Though I do have a 7 here, not as big a fan, but I have it

 

[lash]

So you agree with this statement directly from the article? "The reason for this is that factory rifles for the Creedmoor are built with a 1:8-inch twist as opposed to the 1:9-inch rifling twist of the .260. Because of this, factory Creedmoor ammo can be loaded with higher BC bullets"

Where did I say that?
I did note that changing the twist rate variable makes their statement less ridiculous. But I also asked who has a 1:9 twist rate .260.

Besides:

 

[DocRDS]

Gun mag posts BS, but you still read it.

News at 11.

We could record it.....on Betamax

 

[acudaowner]

still don't care I want a gun for every caliber and two for the ones I enjoy shooting .

 

[Maser]

Wait! The NRA gives a free explanation on something without first putting it behind a paywall and demanding a lifetime membership?

 

[stefan73]

Wait! The NRA gives a free explanation on something without first putting it behind a paywall and demanding a lifetime membership?

You'll get a phone call later asking for money to fund lepew's lavish trips.

 

[Im2bent]

You'll get a phone call later asking for money to fund lepew's lavish trips.

Every time they call and ask I tell em get back to me when Wayne is gone. That ends the phone call right there and then.

 

[Lowlight]

I just got 3 calls from them for responding,
They said, thanks for showing interest in our articles would you like to sign up for an additional 10 years ?

 

[Im2bent]

I just got 3 calls from them for responding,
They said, thanks for showing interest in our articles would you like to sign up for an additional 10 years ?

What you're not a life member?

 

[The D]

All I saw was some blather about factory ammo. So, irrelevant

 

[lash]

All I saw was some blather about factory ammo. So, irrelevant

Zackly. That and factory rifles and twist rates.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

I just got 3 calls from them for responding,
They said, thanks for showing interest in our articles would you like to sign up for an additional 10 years ?

Wait till the emails start pouring back in.

 

[The D]

Zackly. That and factory rifles and twist rates.

Yeah, those too

I mean, it only makes sense that a round introduced in the 90’s and totally abandoned by Rem would fall short to a round introduced 15(-ish?) later and pimped pretty hard by Hornady

I sort of stopped having conversations with one of my buddies about this vs that. He would bring up the comparisons and it would almost always be something using factory ammo and I’d start explaining they were useless if you reload, which he knew I did & he started not long after

 

[Darayavaus]

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[Darayavaus]

here's my current 6.5 lineup. A couple of Grendels, several Creedmoors, one remaining 6.5x55, a 6.5-284 and a couple of 6.5-06's.

 

[wvfarrier]

I have never messed with 260 Rem. What is the optimal twist?

 

[lash]

8 is about right, just like the newbie, 6.5 manbun.

 

[hlee]

The “260 master race” sure does get lathered up when compared to their kissing cousin. Thou doth protest too much…

 

[lash]

Hahaha! I love it! Also don’t really care, though if you think responding to trolling with more trolling is lathered up, I got some news for you.

 

[diggler1833]

You guys aren't doing it right. It's 6.5x47...

...Because 6.5 PRC velocities with .277 SIG Fury pressures and 7mm RM barrel life is where the chest hairs really start to curl.

Plus it has "La-poo-ah" right in the name.

 

[DocRDS]

What's the REAL difference between 260 Rem and 6.5 Creed?

Hornady gave a shit and supported it. See also 6.8 SPC.

 

[hlee]

You know, I seem to remember the same reasoning bandied about as to why the 243win is less popular than 6mmCM for PRS. They tend to be set up from from the factory for light weight bullets favored by hunters (slow twist barrels) over the heavy for caliber bullets favored by the PRS crowd.

Could one order a custom barrel with a fast twist chambered in 243win? Yes. Is a fudd from the NRA or some legacy gun rag going to do that? No.

 

[DocRDS]

You know, I seem to remember the same reasoning bandied about as to why the 243win is less popular than 6mmCM for PRS. They tend to be set up from from the factory for light weight bullets favored by hunters (slow twist barrels) over the heavy for caliber bullets favored by the PRS crowd.

Could one order a custom barrel with a fast twist chambered in 243win? Yes. Is a fudd from the NRA or some legacy gun rag going to do that? No.

On Franks podcast back in the day one of the guests was doing just that IIRC. One of the Mile High Guys if memory serves

 

[Bender]

So they compare two different guns and two different twist rates and two different bullet weights? Anymore variables they wanna throw in? How about different powders and different primers to be sure we get compounded variables, ohhh let’s not forget different barrel length too!

I can’t face palm hard enough.

 

[Bender]

 

[The D]

I can’t face palm hard enough.

I’ll give it a whirl

 

[NH4X]

Wait till the emails start pouring back in.

And "site resources" go tits up

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Well y’all can rag on the 6.5 Creedmoor all you like, but that gay 260 Remington is just a poor step child to the true 6.5’s

The Magnificent 6.5x300 Weatherby Wright Magnum, What more can be said.

6.5 Remington magnum; another Remington piss-poor managed intro, one of two original short bodied cartridges,

6.5 TCU; A little known and unappreciated, hard hitting, light recoiling ram slammer

6.5x55 Swede; the grand dad of all 6.5’s, perhaps the best 6.5 round ever.

So there Creedmoor haters.

 

[hafejd30]

Fun fact:

Most 6.5 CM shooters can dehydrate a cheddarwurst without ever taking a bite

 

[stefan73]

6.5 is just the lame uncle to the 6-06, there I said it.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

No matter how good your .260s and 6.5s are performing while fired from the ground, they will NEVER match the velocity of any rounds fired by THIS guy teamed up with a good pilot. HAHAHA to you landlubbers, +700FPS Master Race.

 

[Austan]

It's funny how many times they have tried to reinvent the 6.5×52mm Carcano. 130 years old and designed for long bullets. You'd think now that we know JFK was smoked by a 221 fireball from an xp100, it would be time for a resurgence of the 6.5 Italian round.

 

[Lowlight]

We understand if you never chambered a 260 your life feels incomplete, you’ll just have to live with that feeling.

The rest of us, we sleep well at night

 

[Charger442]

It's funny how many times they have tried to reinvent the 6.5×52mm Carcano. 130 years old and designed for long bullets. You'd think now that we know JFK was smoked by a 221 fireball from an xp100, it would be time for a resurgence of the 6.5 Italian round.

we do know that? when and where?

what a feather in the hat of the fireball, huh?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Could one order a custom barrel with a fast twist chambered in 243win? Yes. Is a fudd from the NRA or some legacy gun rag going to do that? No.

Back before this PRS thing, back before the cheapskate lazies ruined innovation with stupid speed limits, back before Creedmore was a must have name at the end of every type of caliber, back before 30 pound rifles shooting light cartridges, folks in competitions were running custom chambered .243 rifles, shooting 105gr or similar rounds, loaded hot at over 3k fps to sometimes a fair bit over 3k fps and doing very well with them.

 

[hlee]

Back before this PRS thing, back before the cheapskate lazies ruined innovation with stupid speed limits, back before Creedmore was a must have name at the end of every type of caliber, back before 30 pound rifles shooting light cartridges, folks in competitions were running custom chambered .243 rifles, shooting 105gr or similar rounds, loaded hot at over 3k fps to sometimes a fair bit over 3k fps and doing very well with them.

We’re on the same page. But, the NRA and the Fudd writers are geared towards the “shooters” limited to what they can find at Cabelas. Like 1-12 twist 243s…

 

[whatsupdoc]

Fun fact:

Most 6.5 CM shooters can dehydrate a cheddarwurst without ever taking a bite

WTF is cheddarwurst sounds like something sold elusively at Walmart for the poors.

 

[hafejd30]

WTF is cheddarwurst sounds like something sold elusively at Walmart for the poors.

It’s a brat with cheese….you live under a rock or what?

Easy Creedmoor guys….just for display

 

[Austan]

we do know that? when and where?

what a feather in the hat of the fireball, huh?

Sure I suppose we don't "know" that. Merely suggesting I find it unreasonable to have shunned the round as a whole based on "its use" in the assassination.

 

[The D]

It’s a brat with cheese….you live under a rock or what?

Easy Creedmoor guys….just for display
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No homo, I’m just hungry