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The Real Deal on Brakes

scotharr

Gunny Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Jan 8, 2005
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Scottsdale, AZ
Please think twice about braking that rifle....if not for you, then for everyone else with you or at the range. Here is a thread from another forum that sums it up nicely.
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Over deer hunting I had a 30-06 with a brake shot about a two feet from my head, that was Saturday. Now in my right ear It feels muffled and when in a quite place it is still ringing after three days. Will this go away? I have a Dr appointment for an ENT wednesday just wondering what they are going to say?
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i built a long range ar-15 in .223 and put a surefire brake/adapter on it. while sighting it in, the first 3 shots were without hearing protection. that was 5 years ago and my left ear still rings constantly.
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That's one of the primary reasons I detest braked rifles. WAY too f'ing loud. If you can't handle the recoil, then shoot a lighter-kicking cartridge or a heavier rifle. My .300 Win mag weighs 16 pounds. Don't need a brake.

The ringing in your ears might, unfortunately, be permanent. It's called "tinnitus", and it's a b*tch. I have it bad in my left ear, from a negligent dope who was handing a 2" barreled .357 mag revolver a few feet away from me and his gunsmith brother -- inside a steel building with a concrete floor. Dumb*ss discharged it, shooting a hole in the side of his foot and leaving me with permanent hearing loss and tinnitus. If I knew then what I know now -- 24 years later!!! -- I'd sue. But the damage was done.

Never shoot near a braked rifle or handgun shooter without earplugs AND earmuffs. Wear them both. The trick solution is to wear electronic muffs over the earplugs, so you can still hear conversation and the like no problem, but you're always protected from the worst of the noise even during the shut-off cycle of the muffs. And always try to position yourself behind the line of fire. Muzzle brakes are bad news for hearing.

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Great thank you, I hope it goes away but I guess time will tell.
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When I was in my 20's and shooting a .270 nearly every day, I could not afford hearing muffs, so stuffed cotton in my ears. Today, I have permanent hearing loss in both and wear hearing aids constantly, and they are not close to the way the Man upstairs made them. What really po's me is when at the range and some shooter just starts before asking all if they have their ears on. My ears ring for days and even the aids don't help.

If you are going to have your hearing tested, DO NOT go to Beltone or one of those national brand stores. Go to an Eye, Ear and Throat specialist who does not sell hearing aids. He will not steer you wrong.
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that's where I am going, I have an appointment tomorrow at 3. I'll let you all know what they say.
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Only the uneducated or the person who believes it cant happen to him, shoots anything w/o adequate protection. Even a 22 rimfire can do damage to your hearing.
For the ones who have been shooting w/o protection, just notice the fact that you dont understand as well as you use to, or you dont know from what direction a sound came from, or the turkey that gobbled that your friend heard and you didnt.
Yep just keep believing that those plugs or muffs are to much of a problem for you to contend with, and the folks at the hearing centers will welcome you with open arms.
Your hearing, it yours to keep or to loose
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Well after seeing the ENT he said it shouldn't last for more than a few weeks. He said that there is no physical damage. it seems to be getting better too. thank you guys.
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That's great news. STILL, I hope you slapped the crap out of the person who shot that close to your head. Doesn't sound like safe hunting practices to me!!
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My dad taught me to shoot pistols when I was about 8. We shot .32's, .38's, later his .45 ACP, then a .357 mag. Never wore ear protection of any kind whether shooting outdoors (mostly) or indoors.

I always wondered why I could hear a ringing sound in my ears later in life; I'm nearly 61 now & with the onset of "normal" hearing loss with age I know I miss a lot out there that even my hearing aids ($$$!!) don't pick up on....

USE HEARING PROTECTION. The fine hairs in your ear canals move with sound waves, transmitting the movement to your hearing nerves. Once they break off (loud noises) or die (long term noise damage) they won't grow back. Once they're gone those nerves still send signals, what we "hear" as noises or ringing/hissing.
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Write larger and slower for those who have hearing loss, OK?
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Both of my ears ring 24/7. There is never any silence in my life. Once you have ear damage it is for life....
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Since I have a hearing deficit induced by long term shooting not wearing hearing protection (in my 60's and we never thought it was needed as a kid in the 1950's and '60's) .
Most profound in left ear and ENT says typical for right handed shooters as right ear is tucked up next to shoulder and shielded from much of shock wave.
I can put a plug in for Costco hearing center-went there on recommendation of another shooter with aids - got the news from my ENT but their office wanted 5 grand for what I got at
Costco for 1500 great warranty, free follow ups for life.
Nope, don't have any financial ties to them just a satisfied user.

If you don't use hearing protection while shooting, start saving now for the aids because you WILL be needing them shortly.
 
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yeah i know what you mean....I had a M1 Abrams main cannon go off about 35-40 ft to my left side, i cant hear anything out of my left ear since then...that was 2.5 years ago. But brakes arent bad, just use some common sense and wear ear pro
 
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Another thought on the overhangs. It is worse in the enclosed environment. Watch it on most usual ranges. In the open, sound will tend to defuse in all ways so not quite as bad.
Still wear ears. This coming from a guy who has a genetic hearing loss of most in one ear and below average in other.
Chad
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is why when i step out of the truck i put on the muffs or my plugs </div></div>

I do the same, and everyone gives me funny looks. I don't care, I protect my hearing first!!

DK
 
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"When I was in my 20's and shooting a .270 nearly every day, I could not afford hearing muffs,"

I'm sorry, but he can afford a rifle, ammo to shoot the rifle everyday, but not muffs...... what's wrong with this picture?

Yes, a brake does make a rifle louder to those along side it. Shooting a .44 Mag at the indoor pistol range sure annoys the other guys shooting everything else.

I was always taught to use proper eye & EAR protection. I have also used common courtesy to other shooters at the range to warn them if I was going hot, had a large bore rifle with a brake, tried to position myself down at one end of the range, etc...... Geez if I could I'd have a can on every rifle, but MY state does not permit them...... and I am not going to shoot my .375CT or .50BMG without a brake. Sorry. Where did the common sense in this world go..
 
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Hell in a pinch you can even smoke yourself a pair of ear-pro, might not work the best, but it is definitely better than nothing.
 
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I've even used live .40 S&W rounds as ear pro
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I found that the .45s were just a bit too big for my ears lol.
 
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It's easy for the shooter to look out for themselves, but others around them not so much.

I've shown up at a public range with adequate hearing protection, then some numbskull with a braked large bore plops down at the next bench to me (despite the range being lightly occupied), dons his plugs AND muffs, and blasts away with complete disregard to the fact that no one around him has double hearing protection. Besides the volume of the noise, the blast is enough to make it impossible to shoot within two benches of a braked medium-bore rifle.

Even now that I have a private range in my yard, I don't like it when people bring braked rifles. Instead of 2-3 of us shooting simultaneously, the braked rifle shooter has to shoot solo as no one can shoot around them with any accuracy. And while my neighbors typically report they have no idea I'm out there shooting, when someone brings a brake I often hear about it.

I have nothing against brakes in principle, but they are a big limitation on a rifle. Sure, you bring plugs and muffs on a backpack hunt with your braked rifle...but did you bring them for your hunting partner??
 
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LOL some of you people crack me up. WE are shooting guns they are loud everybody should always know to brings ear plugs or muffs.

I shoot alot of bigger rifles that are braked. my buddy's and I shoot next to each other with out any issues. Just learn to block out the rifle next to you when shooting and it wont affect your groups.

With this said i do give my buddies a heads up when firing my 50cal or 408. Cause we are about 4-5 feet apart and they kick up a shit load of dirt It slows down the shooting for maybe 15 seconds total for me to get the shot off

For hunting it shouldnt matter if you partner didnt bring ear pro. He should have two hands free at the time of your shot to cover his ears.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> LOL some of you people crack me up. WE are shooting guns they are loud everybody should always know to brings ear plugs or muffs.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eyes and Ears protection, ALL THE TIME!!!! </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Waaaaa...

Guns make noise. get over it</div></div>

These pretty much sum it up for me.

A little bit of common sense goes a long way......
 
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Scooter, tell the author of that post on the other forum they are retarded. If you don't use ear protection, it's not the rifle's fault. Firearms go "bang" with a loud report. If you're too stupid to try and protect yourself, then you deserve what you get.

Also, to the idiot that shot a .270 "nearly every day" but couldn't spend the dollar for a set of foamies again deserves what he gets.

It's funny. I'm sitting here watching the Military Channel and I'm watching some guy rapid fire a .50 without muffs yet he's not getting up and whining.
 
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the key here is personal responsibility.

if you fail to have it, you pay for it.

if you f%^k up and forget, go home and get some ear pro, or suffer.

its up to the person to be a adult.

john
 
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And yet when I point out that even "suppressed" centerfire rifles are not medically hearing-safe, I catch shit from like 80% of the people who say things like "It doesn't make my ears ring, so it's safe enough for me."

Hearing is precious, and you only realize how important it is when you don't have it any more. Protect it like the precious commodity it is.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hearing is precious, and you only realize how important it is when you don't have it any more. Protect it like the precious commodity it is. </div></div>


And to think of this generation with their Ipods blaring directly in their ears and the mega watt car stereos the kids have today. They dont realize they are destroying their hearing and will find out when they get older.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super Bee 950</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Waaaaa...

Guns make noise. get over it </div></div>

+1

Shoot a freakin bow then.
 
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My hearing was great until I went into the army. In basic, wearing hearing protection wasn't a problem, they made sure you used it as the plugs were part of your daily uniform.

Once I got to my unit, that went out the door. When I was a machine gunner, we were only allowed to have 1 plug in, that was so that we could still hear the firing commands. When I was doing a live fire room clearing excercise, we built a plywood room with no roof to do the entry on, I was the point-man, and the SAW gunner behind me, you guessed it, we didn't have plugs in. I went in, bang bang, and the SAW behind me let go with about a 20round burst.

Here I am, 10 years out and my ears still ring day in and day out. I've gotten used to it, I work around it, but when I get in a area with any background noise, forget it, I can't isolate a voice from the rest of the noise.

I don't shoot without ear protection now except during deer season. The only reason for that is that I don't have the nice ear muffs YET that amplify sounds.

Branden
 
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Hearing is more important than most realize, once damaged the effect is forever. Boots when stateside are much better protected then those that step forward, when across the big ponds.

Be carefull of what you wish for, the effects there after, <span style="font-weight: bold"> are not</span> worth the stories that caused the hearing loss, or other effects in the first place.

I have a break on my 300wm, and when shooting on the Break relay at Hard Rock I wear plugs an muffs. There are advantages to a break on your smokepoll, depending what an who.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joeyhotfizzle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super Bee 950</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Waaaaa...

Guns make noise. get over it </div></div>

+1

Shoot a freakin bow then. </div></div>

Waaaa... Guns make recoil. Get over it. Shoot a freakin .22 then.


Just making the point that if you're going to assert that people are sissies for dealing with the noise, you can make the same argument for people who get brakes for recoil. Both assertions are pretty silly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scooter, tell the author of that post on the other forum they are retarded. If you don't use ear protection, it's not the rifle's fault. Firearms go "bang" with a loud report. If you're too stupid to try and protect yourself, then you deserve what you get.

Also, to the idiot that shot a .270 "nearly every day" but couldn't spend the dollar for a set of foamies again deserves what he gets.

It's funny. I'm sitting here watching the Military Channel and I'm watching some guy rapid fire a .50 without muffs yet he's not getting up and whining. </div></div>

LOL, well I'd like to think we'd all make better decisions if we were better informed: hence my point in starting this thread.

The real crime is people who have no idea their hearing is being damaged....like the innocent folks at the range with a guy shooting a braked rifle next to them. Little do they know that ear plugs alone are not enough. Ear plugs work at about 30Db and are not sufficient for extended shooting sessions even with normal rifles. Ear plugs AND muffs(another 20Db) are sufficient for regular rifles...barely so for braked rifles.

My brother is a tough-guy SEAL who recently retired after 20 years in. He has significant permanent hearing loss and wishes he had done things a little differently while on the teams.

Those of you saying "waahhh" or something like that, well you're either young and dumb.....or you are hard of hearing.
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Funny thing, I spent many, many years on M1/M1A1's/M1A2's, and the Army to this day, says I have acceptable hearing. Then there's this slob, that was a medic attached to a tank battalion, never saw combat, but supported us at the range. He get's out, and receives 30% fucking disability. However, he was denied at first, then cried his way into a compensable status.

I still only wear one plug, the one closest to the muzzle.
 
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"Over deer hunting I had a 30-06 with a brake shot about a two feet from my head, that was Saturday. Now in my right ear It feels muffled and when in a quite place it is still ringing after three days. Will this go away? I have a Dr appointment for an ENT wednesday just wondering what they are going to say?"


i dont think muzzle brakes are........... oh sorry
I SAID I DONT THINK MUZZLE BRAKES ARE BAD BUT MAYBE THE DUDE WHO SHOT SO CLOSE TO YOUR HEAD!!!!!

I SAID SO CLOSE TO YOUR....... never mind
 
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It all comes down to common courtesy. If I go to my public range with a brake i ask to be given a booth away from others. The guys that run it know why because I've explained it. Most of the time I ask this even if I don't have a brake.

I look at it as what I wish people would do with blackpowfer guns. The make too much damn smoke and fuck up my shooting because they litteraly black out my sight picture for 5-20 seconds if they are in the booth next to me. I think it would be nice of them to ask for a booth away from people shooting distance.

Oh and my range has walls that are made of 4x4s on both sides of the booth. So the noise is somewhat confined to you. They did ban 50bmg for several reasons one of which is the noise.

You complain of hearing damage I complain of shoulder damage. I am 21 and have a problem with my right shoulder. I have trouble shooting a 308 for more than 50 rnds in an hour. This is with a shoulder pad and a good but pad. Brakes aloe me to enjoy doing what I love without having to ice my shoulder e every night just so I can drive to work in the morning.

My 2 cents. And blame the iPhone for typos