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Thermal scope suggestions

MShort

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I am looking to get into a thermal scope and to be honest all the specs are confusing so I figured I would lay out my wants and see what guys had to say.

My use is mainly for coyotes and raccoons (no hogs in WA), say ranges to 250yds max, mainly mounted on a bolt rifle but may go on an AR occasionally. Prefer an all in one versus clip on

I don’t want to go too crazy on price as it won’t get used a ton but I don’t want cheap. Say the $2000-3500 range though I’m open as long as it’s a quality unit.

Any advice of units to look at is greatly appreciated.
 
Personal, I think the bottom of your budget would leave you with buyers remorse. For about 3k you should be able to get a Super Hogster, I think for what you describe it is a good match.
Some vendors here sell them, ask for a deal.
 
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Used in the PX will yield more bang for your buck. I have a SuperYoter C. “C” is for clip on. It goes in front of a LPVO or MPVO. The SuperHogster is a scope and thermal all in one. 640 sensor is what you want as opposed to 384 IMO. $3K-$3500 is reasonable used.
 
Personal, I think the bottom of your budget would leave you with buyers remorse. For about 3k you should be able to get a Super Hogster, I think for what you describe it is a good match.
Some vendors here sell them, ask for a deal.
I know nothing about thermal and it's hard to find many comparisons online with all the variables listed like range, ambient temperature etc. when people do reviews. So my question is what exactly will cause that buyer's remorse? Will a cheaper unit just show a big pixilated blob or nothing at all or what's the deal?

When you go from a $1000 to a $2000 to a $4000 day scope they all work but you get a bit brighter and sharper image for a lot more money but I imagine thermal is totally different.

Sorry for the dumb question.
 
Good question and I'm probably not the best to answer it, but I'll try.

@kirsh anything to add? < an industry salesperson with a lot of time behind many different models. Here is one of his reviews and he would be a good person to get on the phone with if he is available. He is part of the reason I went with the Hogsters I have.

Some of the cheaper scopes have horrible reputations for quality and customer service. I would stay far away from ATN for example. With limited warranties, it is worth considering

Most of these scopes let you record video, so the internet is full of actual hunts and reviews showing the units. It's worth spending some time watching them.

The sensor is a big part of how clear your images will be, how large the FOV and how high the cost. I believe that larger sensors require larger optics so scope size and weight may go up as well.

A larger sensor is like having a digital camera with a higher resolution. This helps in two ways:
1) clearer image - if the FOV is equal, the image will be twice as clear
2) Better FOV - if the image quality is the same, there will be twice the FOV
3) some mix of the above, more likely the image will be better, but not twice as good, and the FOV will be better, but not twice as good.

Beyond the sensor, not every unit handles humidity the same, some lose image quality when it is hot and muggy. Different batteries and battery life, some can record, some don't, different reticles, etc. This is where advice from someone with lots of experience is a big help.

Just because it is nicer, doesn't mean it is needed. I do not doubt that either of my Hogsters (42mm 384 Clip-on or 2x35mm 384 Scope) would be able to hit hogs at 250yds, but I never tried to shoot something as small as a raccoon at 250yds, so not sure. You may need more magnification or a better sensor to do that. Keep in mind that each scope has an optical magnification and you can also digitally zoom in while reducing the image quality - it becomes more pixilated. The better the image you start with, the more you can digitally zoom in without ill effects.

Also, know the limits of Thermal, it is great for detection, not identification. If you need to be sure it is a raccoon and not a house cat, that is another thing.
 
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I have Trijicon/IRDefense REAPIR and Patrol and Bering hogster and hogster C. For the money the Bering Optics have been very good for us and you can have nearly 2 for the price of Trijicon. Whatever you get choose 640 if you can. ID and image is much better.
 
I have little experience with thermals.
I have an NVision Halo XRF. It's about double your budget but it's made in the USA. It has proven to be very good. I got it from the UPS guy and tried to get a quick zero before dark. That zero proved to be inadequate and I dedicated some time getting it dialed in. That night I was in my shooting shack and watching for coyotes. I ranged an armadillo at 185 yards facing me. I could see his ears standing up above his head very clearly. Facing me, that was a small target. 53 gr VMAX did not exit. Good zero!!
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You are going to want a 640 unit with a base mag of 3x if you want to shoot a coyote at 250. But that’s going to come with a sacrifice of field of view for shots under 100.