This is not the entire solution but its a beginning.

[Maggot]

Good for these people.

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2 hours ago — Several times a year, Brownsville In Violence Out activists stand sentry on two blocks for five days. Police direct all 911 calls from the area ...

 

[Ronws]

And I predict it will still come to blood. And yes, community guys are having some good effect. Guess why? Because, for now, hoodlums realize they can get their asses kicked. Since the police are not allowed to hand down beatings that are needed, guys in the neighborhood can do that and take care of it. And maybe prevent a worse crime.

Some hoodlums will learn and change now that they have limitations imposed on them by what is basically a civilian patrol force. Other ones will still wind up dead because that is what they want.

 

[Maggot]

And I predict it will still come to blood. And yes, community guys are having some good effect. Guess why? Because, for now, hoodlums realize they can get their asses kicked. Since the police are not allowed to hand down beatings that are needed, guys in the neighborhood can do that and take care of it. And maybe prevent a worse crime.

Some hoodlums will learn and change now that they have limitations imposed on them by what is basically a civilian patrol force. Other ones will still wind up dead because that is what they want.

Sadly, youre likely right. Especially is they start to make a difference. The liberals will roll in a stooge to get beat up, then scream 'vigilantism', and the mayor and governor will put a stop to it.

 

[BurtG]

Sadly, youre likely right. Especially is they start to make a difference. The liberals will roll in a stooge to get beat up, then scream 'vigilantism', and the mayor and governor will put a stop to it.

Not just liberals. Also statists and pig types

 

[acudaowner]

deep cleaning projects only work if you clean below the surface and get to the root of the problem

you really have to get all up in there .

 

[BurtG]

deep cleaning projects only work if you clean below the surface and get to the root of the problem

you really have to get all up in there .

Have the police fire bomb them from a helicopter ?

 

[Dunraven]

Conservative talk-show host, Michael Savage, tells a story of when he was a child. If a child molester was caught in the neighborhood, he said the locals would walk him up to the roof of the tallest buildiing and push him off.

 

[Maggot]

Conservative talk-show host, Michael Savage, tells a story of when he was a child. If a child molester was caught in the neighborhood, he said the locals would walk him up to the roof of the tallest buildiing and push him off.

One in my neighborhood committed suicide by shutting the garage and running a hose from the exhaust pipe. Vey few knew that he had a massive bruise on the back of his head.......

 

[Maggot]

Conservative talk-show host, Michael Savage, tells a story of when he was a child. If a child molester was caught in the neighborhood, he said the locals would walk him up to the roof of the tallest buildiing and push him off.

One in my neighborhood committed suicide by shutting the garage and running a hose from the exhaust pipe. Vey few knew that he had a massive bruise on the back of his head.......Of course that was 60 years ago and I heard it from a friend.

Per the OP, seems like these guys are stepping up to take the place of missing father figures.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Conservative talk-show host, Michael Savage, tells a story of when he was a child. If a child molester was caught in the neighborhood, he said the locals would walk him up to the roof of the tallest buildiing and push him off.

As much as I do believe in an eye for an eye and street justice that could turn into a slippery slope.....some bitch wants to get back at her baby daddy and you know the rest.......

 

[fdkay]

As much as I do believe in an eye for an eye and street justice that could turn into a slippery slope.....some bitch wants to get back at her baby daddy and you know the rest.......

There is an excellent documentary out there, can't remember the name, but the locals in an area of Mexico created a vigilante group to battle the narcos. They had an immediate, positive effect, but soon, they became the bad guys.

 

[Maggot]

There is an excellent documentary out there, can't remember the name, but the locals in an area of Mexico created a vigilante group to battle the narcos. They had an immediate, positive effect, but soon, they became the bad guys.

I remember that story.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." (Beyond Good and Evil, 146)? Nietzsche

Every time I read that it hits me a ta really deep, almost physical, level.

 

[AngryKoala]

Make lynching great again.

 

[wade2big]

And I predict it will still come to blood. And yes, community guys are having some good effect. Guess why? Because, for now, hoodlums realize they can get their asses kicked. Since the police are not allowed to hand down beatings that are needed, guys in the neighborhood can do that and take care of it. And maybe prevent a worse crime.

Some hoodlums will learn and change now that they have limitations imposed on them by what is basically a civilian patrol force. Other ones will still wind up dead because that is what they want.

It is NOT because police aren’t allowed to hand down beatings. They should not and deserve to be hung on the spot for abusing authority. Things are out of control because police terrorize good men who would take care of their own far better than gov’t could if it weren’t so costly to do so. Forced reliance on the gov’ts police and the revolving door of “justice” is nothing more than a way to intentionally cause more crime by artificially increasing the criminal population and forcing decent people to live amongst them in order to fool the stupid into accepting a police state. Anyone who think the job of LEO is to keep people safe is sadly mistaken.

The answer always was and always will be the decriminalization of men protecting their own neighborhoods. Nobody trusts gov’t to do anything better than they could themselves. Somehow “public safety” is a fools exception to the rule. LEO serve the criminal state, not the people.

 

[whatsupdoc]

Sadly, youre likely right. Especially is they start to make a difference. The liberals will roll in a stooge to get beat up, then scream 'vigilantism', and the mayor and governor will put a stop to it.

In Brownsville and East New York the cops are not stopping shit.

 

[nagantguy]

And I predict it will still come to blood. And yes, community guys are having some good effect. Guess why? Because, for now, hoodlums realize they can get their asses kicked. Since the police are not allowed to hand down beatings that are needed, guys in the neighborhood can do that and take care of it. And maybe prevent a worse crime.

Some hoodlums will learn and change now that they have limitations imposed on them by what is basically a civilian patrol force. Other ones will still wind up dead because that is what they want.

Right on - here is a sad example of what people won’t tolerate any more - these hero’s beat up and broke bones of a old lady with dementia- and then laughed and high fives in the station house while ignoring her cry’s for medical attention! Some even went to prison for this . Too bad this winning strategy can’t be used for freely and wide spread anymore to save our cities from chaos and DOOM . Think of the massage sent to gangs and cartels and crazy child fuckers after a fibrous beating like this on this obviously dangerous woman . “Shit G we best not pull on shit in Loveland , they’s crazy up in here !”

Loveland cop accused of injuring arm of woman with dementia: 'Ready for the pop?' - Sentinel Colorado

The surveillance video captured in the Loveland police station shows two other officers, one male and female, watching the footage with Hopp as he makes the "pop" comment. The female officer, who helped during the arrest and says, "I hate this."

sentinelcolorado.com

 

[hlee]

One of the things that a legitimate govt needs in order to preserve its legitimacy is a monopoly on violence. The local, state, and fed govts cannot allow citizens to police their own, lest they cede some of their legitimacy to those citizens.

And, then there is the whole “power corrupts thing” as documented in the documentary referenced above- about the Mexican anti-cartel vigilantes that essentially became a competing cartel.

 

[wade2big]

One of the things that a legitimate govt needs in order to preserve its legitimacy is a monopoly on violence. The local, state, and fed govts cannot allow citizens to police their own, lest they cede some of their legitimacy to those citizens.

And, then there is the whole “power corrupts thing” as documented in the documentary referenced above- about the Mexican anti-cartel vigilantes that essentially became a competing cartel.

It’s not legitimacy that they cede, it’s power. Gov men need people broke and fearful in order to control them hence the monopoly on violence you pointed out. Can’t have fake as fuck elections, population replacement, uncontrolled taxation and spending, and covid murders without gov violence via it’s police.

 

[DocRDS]

A lot has already been touched on, but some of what is missing is the moral code that was enforced by society. And it wasn't power or authority, it was expectation

This is how you are to behave
These are the consequences of not behaving.

And it wasn't physical force, it was 'this guy doesn't keep his word' or 'this person drinks too much' reputation that people were ashamed to have.

Why was Washington so loved? He walked away from all the power one could want. That used to be idolized, now is forgotten. 'He was a slave owner'

 

[Maggot]

A lot has already been touched on, but some of what is missing is the moral code that was enforced by society. And it wasn't power or authority, it was expectation

This is how you are to behave
These are the consequences of not behaving.

And it wasn't physical force, it was 'this guy doesn't keep his word' or 'this person drinks too much' reputation that people were ashamed to have.

Why was Washington so loved? He walked away from all the power one could want. That used to be idolized, now is forgotten. 'He was a slave owner'

In truth, G Washington, was one of the great men in mankind's history history.

No Washington? No America.

 

[fdkay]

I remember that story.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." (Beyond Good and Evil, 146)? Nietzsche

Every time I read that it hits me a ta really deep, almost physical, level.

Cartel Land
Available n YouTube

 

[Maggot]

Cartel Land
Available n YouTube

I probably dont have time to watch all that, what the relationship to Nietzsche

Belay that. I went back to my earlier post....

I usnder stand the populace down there, I've travelled a lot in Mexico and have several close friends. They do face a lot. Dirt poor, and what little they get is taken by the government, or now the cartels. We could solve the drug problem, jsut legalize it. why should the government be able to tell me I can have a beer but not a doobie. I hate to say it but our gub'mint is run by morons.

 

[fdkay]

I probably dont have time to watch all that, what the relationship to Nietzsche

Belay that. I went back to my earlier post....

I usnder stand the populace down there, I've travelled a lot in Mexico and have several close friends. They do face a lot. Dirt poor, and what little they get is taken by the government, or now the cartels. We could solve the drug problem, jsut legalize it. why should the government be able to tell me I can have a beer but not a doobie. I hate to say it but our gub'mint is run by morons.

I would certainly be okay with the pot, though there has been an increase in crashes and other issues in states that have legalized.
For some reason the population here has an insatiable appetite for meth, heroin and fentanyl.

 

[theLBC]

good for them, but doesn't that just push the bad people to another neighborhood or do they go home and study for tests?

 

[Maggot]

I would certainly be okay with the pot, though there has been an increase in crashes and other issues in states that have legalized.
For some reason the population here has an insatiable appetite for meth, heroin and fentanyl.

Personally, I think that anyone who does those (except for actual pain control) is a moron. Where I see the problem is in what we call over reach. As long as I (or anyone)

1-Is self supporting
2-Takes care of their family
3-Doesnt rob to get their dope
4-Pays their taxes, etc.

Should, by the Declaration or Independence, be free to ursue Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, should be able to do pretty much what ever they want. If you fuck up, and dont do those things above, then you reap the consequences of law.

I've been in serious pain since I was about 5. The one thing that helps is the dilaudid I used to get by prescription. Now I cant even get that so I dont sleep worth a fuck. So basically, a bunch of fucktard morons in DC have taken away my right not to hurt. My neck and shoulder are aching like fire right now.

Well, FUCK THEM. If I could find the stuff on the black market I'd buy it. Why? Not because I want to get fucked up, but because it is, or should b, my God given and Constitutionally protected right to pursue happiness, and if that means not hurting, so be it. Unfortunately, I have no black market contacts, and am too frightened of prison to try to find them

Sic Semper Tyrannis

 

[Im2bent]

Right on - here is a sad example of what people won’t tolerate any more - these hero’s beat up and broke bones of a old lady with dementia- and then laughed and high fives in the station house while ignoring her cry’s for medical attention! Some even went to prison for this . Too bad this winning strategy can’t be used for freely and wide spread anymore to save our cities from chaos and DOOM . Think of the massage sent to gangs and cartels and crazy child fuckers after a fibrous beating like this on this obviously dangerous woman . “Shit G we best not pull on shit in Loveland , they’s crazy up in here !”

Loveland cop accused of injuring arm of woman with dementia: 'Ready for the pop?' - Sentinel Colorado

The surveillance video captured in the Loveland police station shows two other officers, one male and female, watching the footage with Hopp as he makes the "pop" comment. The female officer, who helped during the arrest and says, "I hate this."

sentinelcolorado.com

He got 5 years, she got 45 days and old lady got 3 million.

 

[Maggot]

He got 5 years, she got 45 days and old lady got 3 million.

 

[hlee]

If people were sufficiently virtuous to support a strictly libertarian society, there would be no need for government. And, like govt, people- as a group- could ruin a wet dream. We can’t have things because people are shitty, and will do shitty things to others (like steak and kill), in order to exacerbate their shittiness (buy and do drugs, yes even if they were legal).

Bunch o’ Pollyannas.

 

[fdkay]

Personally, I think that anyone who does those (except for actual pain control) is a moron. Where I see the problem is in what we call over reach. As long as I (or anyone)

1-Is self supporting
2-Takes care of their family
3-Doesnt rob to get their dope
4-Pays their taxes, etc.

Should, by the Declaration or Independence, be free to ursue Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, should be able to do pretty much what ever they want. If you fuck up, and dont do those things above, then you reap the consequences of law.

I've been in serious pain since I was about 5. The one thing that helps is the dilaudid I used to get by prescription. Now I cant even get that so I dont sleep worth a fuck. So basically, a bunch of fucktard morons in DC have taken away my right not to hurt. My neck and shoulder are aching like fire right now.

Well, FUCK THEM. If I could find the stuff on the black market I'd buy it. Why? Not because I want to get fucked up, but because it is, or should b, my God given and Constitutionally protected right to pursue happiness, and if that means not hurting, so be it. Unfortunately, I have no black market contacts, and am too frightened of prison to try to find them

Sic Semper Tyrannis

I understand where you're coming from, unfortunately, that isn't reality. The vast majority of rape and domestic violence issues have a component of either alcohol or drug use. The vast majority of thefts, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year, are to support drug habits (besides the fact that tax payers bear the medical expense burden).
But yes, if you can do your drugs without victimizing another person, I couldn't care less and the government shouldn't be involved.
Most of our current issues with the dependency on opiates is directly attributable to big pharma.

 

[Maggot]

I understand where you're coming from, unfortunately, that isn't reality. The vast majority of rape and domestic violence issues have a component of either alcohol or drug use. The vast majority of thefts, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year, are to support drug habits (besides the fact that tax payers bear the medical expense burden).
But yes, if you can do your drugs without victimizing another person, I couldn't care less and the government shouldn't be involved.
Most of our current issues with the dependency on opiates is directly attributable to big pharma.

Youre right, except in hat if they were legal, and available, it would remove all or most of the criminal element.Alcohol has caused more problems, traditionally, and its legal.

 

[Ronws]

Youre right, except in hat if they were legal, and available, it would remove all or most of the criminal element.Alcohol has caused more problems, traditionally, and its legal.

And furthermore, prohibition didn't help. It simply allowed Joseph Kennedy to make a fortune and raise a cursed family.

 

[nagantguy]

He got 5 years, she got 45 days and old lady got 3 million.

And everyone who laughed and hi- fived and did t immediately report these fuck wads is still serving and protecting- and the tax payers took it in the ass for the 3 million- so yeah I guess a win for everyone. Especially the duty Sargent who was allowed to resign after watching the body cam and laughing along with the rest .

 

[Maggot]

Cartel Land
Available n YouTube

Watching this now, good video. Breaks my heart though, Ive travelled through that part of Michoacan Mexico. Beautiful country, where most of the Tequila is made. Good, hard working people who just want to work and be left alone...just like us. I alawys got invited to folks homes. The cartels are the lowest form of life on this planet. worse than ISIS because at least they have a belief system. Some of what I've seen defies the imagination. People chopped to little pieces and dissolved in boiling acid.