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Thoughts on the Trijicon Ventus. "wind reader"
- Thread starter Cjwise5
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It's got to be no less then 3k the range finder part alone would put it up there, not including the lidar engine inside it
Biggest let downs are sized and only 500 yards for wind. I hope you dont need this for wind 500 in.
I'm excited to see where the technology progresses to in the next 5 years.
I'm excited to see where the technology progresses to in the next 5 years.
DARPA uses lasers to measure wind a lot farther than that. Be nice if some of that tax dollar paid research trickles down
In their live stream they said there were going to be 2 models Ventus and VentusX, and they start at $8000.
$8000...
And it only "reads the wind" to 500? What a deal!!
First fag that buys one and brings it to a match will live on in Snipers Hide infamy for all eternity ?
The best part is the dude will be shooting a factory Savage with it!!
Of all the shit you could spend 8 grand on wind calls to 500 (even with a RF onboard) is probably the gayest I've heard yet.
I can't wait for some limpdick to buy one and come on here asking why he still can't hit anything. This is fabulous!!
And it only "reads the wind" to 500? What a deal!!
First fag that buys one and brings it to a match will live on in Snipers Hide infamy for all eternity ?
The best part is the dude will be shooting a factory Savage with it!!
Of all the shit you could spend 8 grand on wind calls to 500 (even with a RF onboard) is probably the gayest I've heard yet.
I can't wait for some limpdick to buy one and come on here asking why he still can't hit anything. This is fabulous!!
Technology is new and just making its way into civilian hands. But like any new technology it’s gonna cost you but in a few years you’ll find similar but less expensive options. And honestly even though it only reads wind out to 500 yards you’ll still get much better read on the wind then you will using a Kestrel to get wind at your position.
You dudes are missing the boat completely and making a big deal about the 500yd limit on wind range....
If I am trying to tag a target at a K and I can get accurate / real time wind data for the first 500yds of that 1K (or any other target distance) it is going to be a money shot in almost all scenarios.
Heck even with a Kestrel, you are ham strung when your position is shielded from the wind ( which is a lot of the time even at matches).
I will take that data and fucking cherish it even if it was only out to 250.
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If I am trying to tag a target at a K and I can get accurate / real time wind data for the first 500yds of that 1K (or any other target distance) it is going to be a money shot in almost all scenarios.
Heck even with a Kestrel, you are ham strung when your position is shielded from the wind ( which is a lot of the time even at matches).
I will take that data and fucking cherish it even if it was only out to 250.
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This is what I just realized in the other thread about it; initially it didn't occur to me that it was for wind.
But yeah, you have a 500y cheater headstart on wind regardless of your range.
I think it is worth it,
I saw this tech from Trijicon at Rifles Only in 2007, it's good stuff,
The determining factor will be the laser rangefinder in my opinion, a good laser is a $1 a yard, so if it truly ranges 5000 yards, this is worth it on every level, other than size.
A PLRF 25c is more than $8k for just a rangefinder, it's a ton smaller, but adding in the wind, money.
Listen to Top Cat... he knows the score
Plus it includes ballistics, so you will have one device to give you range, wind, and solution
I saw this tech from Trijicon at Rifles Only in 2007, it's good stuff,
The determining factor will be the laser rangefinder in my opinion, a good laser is a $1 a yard, so if it truly ranges 5000 yards, this is worth it on every level, other than size.
A PLRF 25c is more than $8k for just a rangefinder, it's a ton smaller, but adding in the wind, money.
Listen to Top Cat... he knows the score
Plus it includes ballistics, so you will have one device to give you range, wind, and solution
I still shed a tear for the days when a guys wind reading was the determining factor and not his wallet
I still shed a tear for the days when a guys wind reading was the determining factor and not his wallet
I actually agree with you on that.
However.......this is just the next evolution in fieldable tech and it is nice insurance to cover your ass if you mis-read the conditions.
I absolutely believe a true rifle driver should have a handle on wind reading with nothing but observation.
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I think you're probably looking at it from an LE perspective too, so anything that gives you a leg up on a callout is good stuff.
I work in LE but I'm not on a team so I look at it like "Can't wait to see the rubes show up with one at a match" ?
I work in LE but I'm not on a team so I look at it like "Can't wait to see the rubes show up with one at a match" ?
At 8K I don’t think you’ll see all that many rubes show up with one at a match. All it will take is a top ten shooter to bring one to a match and it’ll become a must have. Look at Hornady’s A-tip bullets. Plenty of people said no way! Not worth it, but look at how many are using them now.
I guess I'm still in awe of some of the levels of income guys in this sport have at their disposal.
I make good money, I can make even more pretty much at will with OT but it has a negative effect in my time off and happiness.
We don't have kids, live a pretty comfortable lifestyle I'd say. If this thing could read wind to 1000 I don't see how I could justify the expense.
Where it may make the MOST sense is with guys shooting ELR. Think about taking Terry's idea and extrapolating your 500yd hold to 2000yds.
That might be worth it and that's an expensive as fuck game already.
I dunno I think there's a lot of guys out there, myself excluded, who would pay for the hits if they have easier access to money than the dedication to practice and preparation success normally comes with.
Very cool to see. As others have said the next 3-5 years will be interesting. And yes getting the first 500 yds of wind will help. I could actually see this being prohibited at some matches. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but I think it's a possibility.
My rule of thumb is never be the guinea pig for the first rounds of available new tech. Let someone else pay to play and then wait a few years until the bugs are sorted out, and the market gets more robust with other players. Price drops, accessible to the every-man, everyone wins.
As others have said though, without fundamentals, all the tech in the world isn't going to make you an excellent shooter.
As others have said though, without fundamentals, all the tech in the world isn't going to make you an excellent shooter.
I don't think all the tech in the world will make you a better shooter either. But reducing the stress of doing all the things you have to today, is a big part of this...which makes a calmer and more confident shooter. We talk about a lot of gear/tech here, but never much about confidence (which is huge in my opinion)....
And a lot of the time the direction and speed of the wind at the shooter is not that same as a lot of the bullets trajectory.
Hi,
Some will use (attempt that is) it as a crutch; others will use it as a tool!!
The end results will show which is which.
Sincerely,
Theis
Some will use (attempt that is) it as a crutch; others will use it as a tool!!
The end results will show which is which.
Sincerely,
Theis
This is cool and all, but Quigley-Ford has some interesting stuff right around the corner...
A small variance at the beginning of the shot will result in a much larger adjustment downrange, but as the bullet decreases speed, wind has more of an affect later downrange ..... so wind has more of a direct affect on the actual bullet later, but more of an affect on your shot earlier ....... make sense??
One of the biggest factors in the wind reading was including the vertical component. To me, that is cool and will be a huge value. I shoot in windy big terrain where the vertical wind component often causes misses.
Agree. There's a range here in Ohio that is notorious for complex winds due to the weird terrain causing updrafts and all other sorts of voodoo. They recently expanded into ELR with ranges well over 2k. It would be neat to see what this device reported out there.
I would be surprised if it weren't at least $10K. It has 3 1550 nanometer lasers which are what the high end Vectronix units use plus the LIDAR electronics plus all of the proprietary DSP code that does all of the calculations.
All I know is I won't be getting one anytime soon.
DARPA and some gov't homies were testing this tech from several vendors and developers last year. There were personnel from several branches of US Mil.
Notably the Marines were in attendance..... so it might as well be fact that they used that equipment to speed check farts, other ejected body fluids and then probably tried to fuck it.
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I see you’ve spent time with deployed Marines. ???
It wouldn't be any different with USAF aircrews, especially the enlisted types.
I've been trying to explain this to people as well and feel pretty validated to see two people I highly respect the opinions of share it.
What I find a little strange is the pairing of the 500y doppler with a 5k RF. Knowing exact wind to 500 is going to massively help first round hit probability at extended ranges (1.2k to a mile) for experienced shooters using cartridges in the area of 6.5c performance. Especially when you consider it can take environmental data in and slope correction to give you a firing solution in near real time from a single device. But pairing it with a 5k RF laser seems to indicate a marketing towards 408/375ct ELR dudes with deep pockets. where this doesn't make sense to me is the first 500 isn't nearly as important to magnum and ELR shooters as it will be to a cartridge that loses around 30-40% of its muzzle velocity by 500y like a 308 or similar. All that 5k laser does is increase the cost to where very few normal shooters use it and ELR guys just wish the doppler had around 1000y to make it as effective as it is for shorter range cartridges
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From parallel thread in the OBSERVATION DEVICES sub forum.........
If an LRF is said to consistently tag targets, especially non-reflective targets at 5,000 yards, that tells me it has the beam divergence and sensitivity to do the real work at far shorter ranges and in any light conditions where I need to reliably ping smaller, soft targets in cluttered environments. To me, that is huge.
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Regarding the 500 yd Wind and 5,000 yd Range feature limits: Those are two totally different emissions that the unit has to produce with different sensors and software to process. I would wager to say that the 500 yd limit on Wind data is a product of limited ability/power of the active emitter portion while the 5,000 yd LRF ability just happens to be the ability of the new gen laser and sensors on board. I would bet the majority of the weight, phyical mass and power consumption is dedicated to driving the wind reading feature and currently that is the max ability/range without doubling the size and tripling the price. Just my guess.
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You should have see the “T&E“ we were doing when we first got some super trick thermals, it was some creative thinking...
Devils advocate.. you people don’t know what to do with wind at one point, what will you do with five points of data!! It’s cool tech and I’m glad to see it potentially available to civis.
My understanding is that the unit will calculate all that wind data with the ballistic app for the firing solution. End user won't physically input different winds on their own.
How just shrink it into the size of a raptor, add an ballistics and make it weapon mountable. $1000 would be a nice price to shoot for
its the kind of technology that I would wait 10-20 years more for because A. I should be better at shooting and won't use it much and B. because it will get smaller, cheaper, and cover the longer distances in that time. Like a lot of gadgets it doesn't make sense to shoot a hundred sensors downrange for one bullet, just keep it simple =). it would be fun to demo one however
