timney install in dpms 308

AXEMAN

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very short lived. trigger felt great. when i got my BCG i dropped in in the upper and it got stuck. bolt wont lock back into the carrier. blah blah, thats another post.

the BCG getting stuck in the extension led me to take it all apart. while it was just the upper/lower i cycled the action. half way thru the pull it got heavy. really heavy. if i let go of the charging handle it would almost stay stuck all the way open and gradually retract. really i could let go and it would not snap back. i thought it was rubbing on the stock, nope. so i look at it. i pull back 2"-3" and it starts, just smooth resistance, but firm. hmmm i think, what could the BCG contact after that much travel? the timney. the hammer specifically, so i pull it out and install the factory trigger stuff back in and viola! there you go, no more heaviness. smooth as silk. well wet silk. ok wet dirty silk. none of that drag though, charge handle is fully functional now.

i was gonna put it together myself, but this other thing with the BCG not seating all the way with the barrel installed has me puzzled and i have not the experience to diagnose this.

whats the distance from the face of the barrel to the face of the extension supposed to be? are all 308 extensions the same size?

here is the deal. i drop in the BCG and it slides in and i go to close it up and i cant... i look and the BCG wont go all the way in. hmmm, i tip it up and it wont slide out. hmmm, i pull the handle and i feel it come out. it feels like it was wedged in there. i slide it in again, same results. at one point i had to do what i heard you guys talk about and pogo bounce it loose.

with the barrel off, the bcg fits it, the bolt retracts and the face meets the face of the extension. its oiled, it moves and the bolt cam pin is fine. what i think is that the bolt cam pit is catching and not lining up with the space in the upper that it locks into, its too early in the sequence. is that what thats for, the little bump on the uppers? am i getting that part right? when i slide the BCG in the upper, the bolt making contact and sliding back locks the cam pin into the receiver early and it may be than and more. after i get better info on the barrel specs its going to gap for assembly unless i can make it function.

like i said i dont know the mechanics and i am just kinda comparing it to an ar15 but this isnt quite working like it should.

bummer about the timney huh?
 
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lol, oh yeah... anybody want to buy a timney, lol. no really. it may work out, but think about this when you make your trigger decision, ill keep you posted. i may contact timney. the guy i got it from used in in an ar15 so i may install it in mine. it says that this is a trigger for an AR-10 so there may lie the issue
 
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As to the trigger...that is not normal and I would recommend that you get with Timney re: warranty repair or replacement of the trigger.

I have one installed in an AR-10 build that I finished a while back and with over 1k rounds down the tube with the Timney AR-10 specific trigger unit installed, the rifle has been flawless.
 
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the trigger is the model timney advertises as the ar-10 trigger. this is a DPMS build. that may have something to do with it. im gonna see what timney says before i sell it off. here is a pic from the post where i bought it

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if you decide to sell let me know i may be interested. my next build is going to be an ar10 .308 or 7mm i haven't decided yet.

im not in a huge hurry to buy.
 
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ill let you know, im just glad it was something easy and not some weird misalignment in the upper/lower or the stock i chose not being true, or the flat wire spring being too long. you know what i mean, ill keep you in mind. i dont expect much from timney. it is what it is, an ARma trigger in a DPMS build. i was just suprised that it was the cause of the issue.
 
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I'm not sure that it matters, but I have never seen a BLACK Timney AR trigger. All the ones I currently own (AR-15 and AR-10) and those I have installed for others have a gold/yellow trigger group housing. Is it possible that this is not a "genuine" Timney (despite the markings, etc.)?

Despite that difference, all the parts and everything else looks to be in order.

As for it being an "AR-10" trigger unit...that is just a name that Timney uses. I have seen these run in a DPMS AP4 and an LR-308 custom build without issue. You should have zero problems using the AR-10 unit in either an Armalite AR-10 rifle or another other lower that uses standard AR-15/AR-10/AR-style trigger components.
 
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i agree there, all the others i have seen were gold also. i was going by the shape of the hammer honestly when i pegged it as an ar-10 model. i know they should also fit the same pin pattern, the pins are great, everything functionally is fine eccept that the hammer is too high. when the charging handle is all the way back and i let go, it stays and slowly...slowly starts to retract. its got everything the timney has and is described the same as in the installation instructions. it could be a few .001"s or a few .01"s but it went with the timney. ill call them tomorrow
 
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well there are other DPMS owners that are having the same issue. gotta stone it i guess. ill need a jig to keep the face straight i think... hmmm. pain in the ass DPMS, lol

that was fast. tech support says that the problem stems from the DPMS lowers being out of spec and not milling the inside and the hammer not rotating enought to clear and the problem is in the front of the trigger where cavity isnt large enough in most cases he has seen. he did say i was free to modify it in any way and offered no factory advice. the black bodys havent been made in some time he said.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your trigger, Timeny's are good triggers. I am curious what Timeny will say, they may just have you ship it back. Hows the clearence between the " arm " of the hammer where it rotates on the pin. I have read that some drop in units have had issues with that part of the hammer being just a little to big and it was rubbing up against or binding up against the lower receiver below the bolt stop, so when the hammer goes back and that round part of the arm when it gets to fat will bind up against the lower receiver, and go from being smooth to having drag or even stopping with the hammer only half cocked so to speak. You might want to look and see if there is any wear on your receiver, if so than that could be a part of your problem and you can just file the bottom curve of that "arm" and it should free things up.
 
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no marks in the receiver from the few dry fires i did. i can tell that when the BCG comes back, it presses down on the hammer past its resting cocked position. both the factory and the timney lay down, but the factory was just a little lower. i wish i had some pins that were 2x as long handy. i can stone the very topmost part of the rounded part of the hammer. or sell it, lol. timney didnt really offer anything, but i was talking to the tech area not the cust serv side. its used, im not looking for anything. a few slow strokes at a time, just like that first time huh?

sober, i read the manual online just to be sure and see what they were and i did not need to adjust them luckily. after i got it in there i had enough tension on the pins to hold it, but still let me install it. i know how they work, but the pins will dictate the location. even with them (set screws) retracted, i dont think i can get the trigger pack lower than the pins place it. im open to suggestion and soon ill be open to bids, lol
 
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So when you pull back on the charging handle there is resistance? The bolt is probably rubbing against the hammer, I had the same problem with an RRA 2 stage trigger group in mine. Google around about it and you should find directions on how to file it down a bit so that it works. I have heard of people having this issue with timeneys in dpms 308's.

edit: nvm you seem to have figured that out yourself, it's not hard took me maybe 30 seconds with a file.