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to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

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SgtMayhem

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In the next couple month going to be ordering my new barrel, and have been considering for the past several months whether or not to switch to 260 remington. I handload my ammunition, so that is not an issue. My rifles see multipurpose use, from shooting steel at all ranges, and with the 260 rem's long range performance really thinking about switching to it. Even considering the 'Ackley Improved' variant chambering of it.

So what is the general consensus surrounding 260 Remington as a long range round for tactical use, and for competition and some hunting use?
 
#2
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

Pretty much great for all of those things.I've tried to convince myself otherwise, but that round just makes too much sense.

Less powder, good BCs, doesnt chew up barrels too badly, both cheap and high quality brass are available, good hunting and target projos, great caliber for most all NA game. Whats not to like?

Not so sure the AI version is needed though. But I'm sure someone has experience with it.
 
#3
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty much great for all of those things.I've tried to convince myself otherwise, but that round just makes too much sense.

Less powder, good BCs, doesnt chew up barrels too badly, both cheap and high quality brass are available, good hunting and target projos, great caliber for most all NA game. Whats not to like?

Not so sure the AI version is needed though. But I'm sure someone has experience with it. </div></div>

From the load data I have seen, the powder savings is less than 10%, the AI version increase efficiency though. Barrel life is really about the same as a .308 from what I have heard from a few sources, but unsure of that. Wouldn't say brass is any cheaper than .308...

I know the 140 grain pills with a 1:8 or 1:8.5 twist work wonders at very long ranges with their ultra high BC. I also know that recoil is relatively lighter and trajectory is much flatter, and the performance of the round is excellent for ranges of 1200m+ for comp use easy (transonic range of the 140 grain pills).

My one big concern is has anyone had hands on experience with it, loaded it, etc. Is it one of those ultra finicky calibers to load, or one of those forgiving calibers like 308...?
 
#4
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I think the general consensus is everything the 308 can do ballistically, the 260 can do "better".

That said, stay away from 260 - it'll leave more brass & bullets for the rest of us.

<grin>
 
#5
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I have a .300 Win Mag hunting rifle (a BAR) and about a year ago I was considering getting a .300 for long-range work. I asked about it over on The High Road and Zak Smith laid it out for me: The .260 will match or beat the trajectory of even the best .300 mag loads out to and past 1000 yards, will do so with less recoil and much longe barrel life, and will do so from a short-action rifle. Try as I may to justify a TRG-42 in .300, I can't really do it. As Zak said, if you have to kill something at really long range, the .300 or .338 make a big difference. If you are just punching paper, the .260 will do 99% of what you want without most of the major drawbacks of the magnums. It was this string of conversations that brought me to The Hide.

The .260 was, at that point, in a fight with the 6.5 Creedmoor and, to a lesser extent, the 6.5x47 Lapua. With the less-than-stellar performance of the factory 6.5 Creedmoor at a few major competitions, the introduction of Lapua brass in .260 and the relative scarcity of 6.5x47 components, to me it is the practical choice for a "practical" rifle. If you can swing it, I would keep a .308 around, but if you can only have one, I would probably go with the .260.
 
#6
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I see a 260 in my future. My only issue is i believe the 7RemMag may become a dust collector if I get a 260!

BTW, I've been lurking for a while, just not posting!
 
#7
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mayhem1stClass</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Barrel life is really about the same as a .308 from what I have heard from a few sources, but unsure of that. </div></div>

Barrel life is not even in the same ballpark as a 308!

260s will eat a barrel pretty quick. Not as bad as say the 6.5-284 but they are not easy on the barrels by any means.
 
#8
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I don't think the 2500rd+ (or more) life many shooters get from their 260 barrels puts it anywhere close to the category of "barrel burner". Sure the 260 may go through throats faster than a 308, but there's <span style="font-style: italic">always</span> a price to pay for ballistics and really, a barrel is pretty cheap amortized over 2500 or more shots.

A Google search shows many (most?) 260 practical shooters that run moderate to mid-hot loads see round counts near 4000 before needing to replace or set back...
 
#9
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

A couple factors to consider:

How much do you actually shoot at longer distances?
Do you have any other accurate long range rifles?
How much existing components due you have for the 308?
 
#10
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think the 2500rd+ (or more) life many shooters get from their 260 barrels puts it anywhere close to the category of "barrel burner". Sure the 260 may go through throats faster than a 308, but there's <span style="font-style: italic">always</span> a price to pay for ballistics and really, a barrel is pretty cheap amortized over 2500 or more shots.

A Google search shows many (most?) 260 practical shooters that run moderate to mid-hot loads see round counts near 4000 before needing to replace or set back...</div></div>

Both numbers are about accurate IME.

The last two years I shot HP across the course I did so with a Model 70 in 260 Rem. 2500 rounds is about what I got out of a cut-rifled stainless barrel before the rifle would no longer reliably hold the X ring at 600 yards. It still could hammer closer in but 600 yard X ring accuracy is the accepted yardstick for accuracy in bullsye rifle shooting.

Obviously, as your acceptable dispersion increases to most of an 18" steel plate, you can tolerate more throat erosion and get longer life.

For the OP, the 260 is as finicky as a 308. That's to say that it is easy to find a good load and a well known good loads abound that are bound to work with little or no development in most rifles.
 
#11
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

The 260 has significantly less barrel life, that is a fact.

I think if my go to gun were going to be a .260, I'd certainly go with the Ackley Improved version. The sharper shoulders are thought to increase barrel life. Additionally, you'll get more velocity. With the addition of Lapua brass, its win-win.

I have a .260 sporter for hunting and have personally had issues coming up with a good load for it and I've had a few friends with similar experience. I've also seen .260s that were real shooters--with a good barrel and a good chamber job on a precision rig, you're sure to find something that will work.

Another alternative----have you considered the 6.5x47 Lapua?
 
#12
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a .260 sporter for hunting and have personally had issues coming up with a good load for it and I've had a few friends with similar experience.</div></div>

What's the twist?

I own two 260s, one 22" 9 twist Remmy 700 light sporter and one 26" 8 twist Criterion varmint contour. Both barrels shoot 41.5gr H380 under a 120gr Nosler BT loaded to an OAL of 2.78" very well and that load has proven to be quite effective on whitetail.
 
#13
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I've looked at the performance differences with the Ackley (AI)
I didn't see any performance reason to take on the extra work of fireforming for an AI. Resale of Ackleys is more difficult too

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think if my go to gun were going to be a .260, I'd certainly go with the Ackley Improved version. </div></div>
 
#14
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a .260 sporter for hunting and have personally had issues coming up with a good load for it and I've had a few friends with similar experience.</div></div>

What's the twist?

I own two 260s, one 22" 9 twist Remmy 700 light sporter and one 26" 8 twist Criterion varmint contour. Both barrels shoot 41.5gr H380 under a 120gr Nosler BT loaded to an OAL of 2.78" very well and that load has proven to be quite effective on whitetail. </div></div>

I believe its a 1:9", its a factory Model 7 in an H-S stock, Zeiss optics, trigger at 2.5 lbs. I'm going to try skim-bedding it and starting over on load development.
 
#15
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

Why would a guy sell his rifle? LOL

Fire-forming isn't that big of a deal. Some don't want to mess with it, though.

The big thing I see about the AI version is the performance increase AND the better barrel life many believe the 40* shoulders aide in.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek046/

Looks like 120-150+ fps isn't out of the question.
 
#16
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

IMO there should be an operating .308 in every household in America. I just had another rifle built and it is in the .260Rem. It is a great round. BUT to gain a .260, at the expence of your only .308 would not be advisable, again IMHO.
 
#17
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I love my 260. I built a surgeon w/ a kriegger 1:8 twist. IN our local steel match, 100-1000yds, I went from middle of the pack to top 1/3rd just by switching to the 260.

I run 139 scenar's 43g h4350 remmy brass "but now lapua" 210m @2.82oal gets me 2850fps.

+1 to every house having a 308. The 260 is my race car, the 308 a work truck. For compedition, long range steel shooting, getting the girl friend into shooting "low recoil" and general fun the 260 kicks ass.

I say get both but if you can only have 1 get a 308.
 
#18
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

260rem is the tits in a low recoil short action. I wouldn't trade mine for anything. And every American male should have a handy .308 that he is proficient with as a minimum. If you are ready to add a rifle then .260rem is an awesome choice. Beyond that for me, my other rifle would be either a 7BAT or a 7SAUM.
 
#20
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

IMO if your shooting under 500m then stay with the 308. If you plan to go beyond 500m in windy conditions the 260 is your best choice between the two.
 
#21
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would a guy sell his rifle? LOL

Fire-forming isn't that big of a deal. Some don't want to mess with it, though.

The big thing I see about the AI version is the performance increase AND the better barrel life many believe the 40* shoulders aide in.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek046/

Looks like 120-150+ fps isn't out of the question. </div></div>

After reading that article, I'm not sure where you're coming from when you point out better barrel life...?? The rifle owner/builder was claiming that barrel life of the Ackley was closer to a 6.5-284, not better. Did I miss something?

I'm not an interior ballistics guru, and perhaps shoulder angle plays a small role in barrel/throat life - but the heavy hitters for barrel life are powder burned and bore diameter. As powder goes up, throat wear goes up. As bore diameter goes down, throat wear goes up, all other things being equal.
 
#22
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

Here is a reference to an issue that had some great technical data concerning the issue:

http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1611719

I can't come up with a link to the original article, but I have it in paper form in my stack of gun rags. I have observed similar data with my personal rifles, seeing .204 Ruger particularly outlast .223 Remington, despite more pressure, velocity, and a smaller bore.

The theory should hold true with .260 vs .260 AI.



ETA: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrel Life Considerations
Since I am pushing 139gr and 142gr bullets to 2950 fps, there is no reason to believe that my barrel will enjoy appreciable gains in longevity when compared to typical 6.5-284s and .300 Win Mags. I do not have much hard data back from customer rifles yet but my money is on the 1,500 to 2000 round count before things get unpredictable. Note that any high-performance barrel setup needs to be viewed as a consumable, much the same as tires on your car. If the rest of the setup is done correctly, new barrel installations do not require die, dope or load changes from your previous setup. This can be done fairly seamlessly and quickly. If one were to view the costs involved with travel, lodging, food, range fees, ammunition and other shooting expenses, periodic barrel replacement is really a small price to pay for top performance and consistency.</div></div>

It compares the author's EXPECTED barrel life to 6.5-284, .300 Win, etc. It doesn't not compare an observed difference between .260 Rem and the AI version.
 
#23
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

260rem is a great round, more flat shooting than a 308win and less recoil.

But I agree every househould should have a 308win or a 30-06. There is something to be said for being able to dependably find loaded ammo, even though I do reload.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Felderthewelder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you neck down .308 brass to use with the .260?</div></div>

Yep
 
#26
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 260 has significantly less barrel life, that is a fact.

I think if my go to gun were going to be a .260, I'd certainly go with the Ackley Improved version. The sharper shoulders are thought to increase barrel life. Additionally, you'll get more velocity. With the addition of Lapua brass, its win-win.

I have a .260 sporter for hunting and have personally had issues coming up with a good load for it and I've had a few friends with similar experience. I've also seen .260s that were real shooters--with a good barrel and a good chamber job on a precision rig, you're sure to find something that will work.

Another alternative----have you considered the 6.5x47 Lapua? </div></div>Here's my two cents, if it's worth that much. I had two .308's and I recently turned the GAP .308 into a 6.5x47 Lapua. I looked at the .260 Remington and considered it but barrel life is an issue. I do know one .260 shooter that went 6000 rounds before he needed a new barrel. I chose the 6.5x47 because I believe barrel life will be longer, light recoil, and you don't have feed issues with the magazine and long cartridges. In the end get what you want.
 
#27
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I recently made the switch to .260 from .308.

If I could afford two long range rifles, id still have a .308 (its not so much the rifle, but just cant afford two $1000+ scopes!).

Havent shot the .260 much yet, but what little I have, me likey!
 
#28
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

The turbulent point determined by shoulder angle theory mentioned above seems like a good enough reason to consider a 6.5 Creedmoor instead of a .260. Anyone have experience with both, with respect to barrel life?
 
#29
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

Barrel life will be "essentially" the same between the 6.5 creed, 6.5X47 and .260. Just because the neck and shoulder are a little less desirable on the .260 over the other two mentioned, don't think you are going to greatly increase barrel life by chosing the others. Barrel life may be ever so slightly better, but it won't be anything to really fret over. Now that Lapua is making brass of the .260 why even bother with the 6.5X47. Not that Lapua brass makes a .260Rem what it is. Especially when Norma brass exists.

Maybe now that Lapua brass is around, there will be up more Norma brass for me.
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I used to think there was a significant difference in barrel life as well. After talking to folks that have all of the above, it really doesn't matter. Get what will produce the best for your application. .260Rem has more case capacity, and its a proven winner.
 
#31
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My one big concern is has anyone had hands on experience with it, loaded it, etc. Is it one of those ultra finicky calibers to load, or one of those forgiving calibers like 308...? </div></div>

I have come to the same conclusion. I went with the 6.5 Creedmoor, it seems to be forgiving and accurate while having all the benefits. I kept my .308 for the back up as it stands tried and true.
 
#32
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I don't think 260 is terribly hard to load for...just about any 140gr match bullet with 41-43gr H4350 or 46-49gr H4831SC, and CCI-200 or BR2 primers.
 
#33
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I have a 260 and it is very easy to load. I did load development once and haven't had a problem since. I load 140VLD over 47.5gr. H4831sc in winchester 7-08 brass necked down to 260. I am getting 2815fps over first fired brass and 2835fps past that. Load depth was the only thing that wasnt a gimme since Chad at Custom Reloads walked me into the charge.
I shoot the round at F-class 1k and it is nice.


I have to agree with above;
The article mentioned that the 260AI has barrel burn similar to 6.5-284 which is definitely worse than the 260 based purely on the velocity, pressure etc..
 
#34
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the general consensus is everything the 308 can do ballistically, the 260 can do "better".

That said, stay away from 260 - it'll leave more brass & bullets for the rest of us.

<grin></div></div>

nope, you are not going to get a 200 gr bullet down a 260 barrel

weight is one of the key benefits of a 30 cal
 
#36
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the general consensus is everything the 308 can do ballistically, the 260 can do "better".</div></div>

nope, you are not going to get a 200 gr bullet down a 260 barrel</div></div>

You're exactly right, you can't get a 200gr bullet down a 260 barrel.

But you don't <span style="font-style: italic">need</span> to use a 200gr bullet in a 260. Compared to your average 200gr .308 bullet, a 139-142gr 6.5mm bullet gives you better BC, higher velocities, and superior downrange energy with only a minimal deficiency in sectional density.

Then again, the venerable 6.5x55 Swede (260's ballistic cousin) has been killing moose for decades, so you really don't lose anything to the 308 for hunting, either.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">weight is one of the key benefits of a 30 cal
</div></div>

B.C/velocities are the dictator as far as flight performance. Weight does more for impact.

Check the 210grn Berger .30 cal (.625 B.C) going 2400-2500fps
then check the 139grn senar .624 cal.(.615B.C) going 2700-2800fps
The .264 does better in both flight and wind drift hands down.

2 Bullets of same velocity and same B.C with different weights will have identical flight paths. check it on JBM or in the back of a reloading book.
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazuris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
+1 to every house having a 308. The 260 is my race car, the 308 a work truck. For compedition, long range steel shooting, getting the girl friend into shooting "low recoil" and general fun the 260 kicks ass.

I say get both but if you can only have 1 get a 308. </div></div>

++1 Every American household should have a good .308 handy.

Also, the .260 is a great round and my .308 sat unused for a year or more after I started shooting the .260. Then I decided to come back to the .308 for F/TR and use the .260 for "Sniper" type shoots, unknown distance ranges and an occasional F Class "open" match - yeah its a race car and kicks ass at long range.

Still the .308 has a lot going for it and if I could only have one, it would be a .308 workhorse. The .260 is great, but I like to know I have a stick I can always find ammo to fit (regardless of how much I have on hand for both sticks) and a round that is so predictable - the .308 Match in 168/175gr.

I have found the .260 to be very easy to load for with H4350 and RL-19 powders with various match primers, Sierra and Lapua match bullets and Remmy .260 brass. You might check it out on 6mmBR as well.
 
#39
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

I have 2 .308's and love them. But several friends shoot the .260 and swear by them. I shot a gas gun .260 this past weekend out to a 1000 and it drove tacks all the way from 350 to a little over 1000. That being said the gun smith who has built all of them just rechambered his from .260 AI to a .260 rem because after 1200 rounds it had burned up his throat plus it wasn't that much of a benefit in velocity between the 2.
 
#40
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moore_ man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">weight is one of the key benefits of a 30 cal
</div></div>

B.C/velocities are the dictator as far as flight performance. Weight does more for impact.


</div></div>

That is a very good summary of the point.

The implicit assumption was that the deciding factor is purely 'ballistics', and that ballistics are all about drop and windage. It is isn't. There is also the small matter of what happens when the bullet arrives. My point is that the 260 cannot do everything a 308 can period. I made no other point. There are always compromises.

Looking at JBM energy calcs at the intended range is not the be all and end all of terminal ballistics. Weight is an important element in applications where you are intending to nail something.

Sure a 6.5 will often have better drop and windage than a 308 so if the level of accuracy obtained makes a substantial difference then it may be the way to go. In other circumstances it isn't.

I suspect a 7mm is a good compromise between the two. If I was going to move away from the fantastically flexible 308 then I would be looking at a 284 but that's because I would want to retain an ability to get some weight on the target.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.

But you don't <span style="font-style: italic">need</span> to use a 200gr bullet in a 260. Compared to your average 200gr .308 bullet, a 139-142gr 6.5mm bullet gives you better BC, higher velocities, and superior downrange energy with only a minimal deficiency in sectional density.

Then again, the venerable 6.5x55 Swede (260's ballistic cousin) has been killing moose for decades, so you really don't lose anything to the 308 for hunting, either.</div></div>

you don't get terminal performance from looking up energy on JBM

a 6.5x55 is not a 260 last time I looked,

so a 140gr bullet in 6.5 is 'better' than a 200gr 308

spare me


 
#42
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you don't get terminal performance from looking up energy on JBM</div></div>

Again, you're exactly right...but you don't get terminal performance solely from bullet weight, either. Its almost like a 45ACP vs. 357 Sig debate we're having here...

Bottom line is anything you wanted to kill with a 200gr bullet from your 308, I could kill just as dead with a 140gr bullet from my 260.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a 6.5x55 is not a 260 last time I looked</div></div>

Again, you're exactly right - but they <span style="font-style: italic">are</span> nearly identical in terms of ballistics, pushing same weight bullets to very similar velocities.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so a 140gr bullet in 6.5 is 'better' than a 200gr 308

spare me</div></div>

Yes, a 140gr 6.5 bullet launched from a 260 is 'better' than a 200gr 30cal bullet from a 308 in terms of drop/drift ballistics and downrange energy...so consider yourself spared.

That being said, by all means please continue launching heavy pills from your 308 if that's what you want to do.
 
#43
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you don't get terminal performance from looking up energy on JBM</div></div>

Again, you're exactly right...but you don't get terminal performance solely from bullet weight, either. Its almost like a 45ACP vs. 357 Sig debate we're having here...

Bottom line is anything you wanted to kill with a 200gr bullet from your 308, I could kill just as dead with a 140gr bullet from my 260.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a 6.5x55 is not a 260 last time I looked</div></div>

Again, you're exactly right - but they <span style="font-style: italic">are</span> nearly identical in terms of ballistics, pushing same weight bullets to very similar velocities.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so a 140gr bullet in 6.5 is 'better' than a 200gr 308

spare me</div></div>

Yes, a 140gr 6.5 bullet launched from a 260 is 'better' than a 200gr 30cal bullet from a 308 in terms of drop/drift ballistics and downrange energy...so consider yourself spared.

That being said, by all means please continue launching heavy pills from your 308 if that's what you want to do. </div></div>

you have been reading books again
 
#44
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have been reading books again</div></div>

Nope, just common sense and personal experience killing game with 6.5mm and 30 cal bullets - how bout you?
 
#47
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have been reading books again</div></div>

Nope, just common sense and personal experience killing game with 6.5mm and 30 cal bullets - how bout you?</div></div>

you shooting rabbits or something...

the Nosler manual recommends 150gr for varmint!! (can you even get 150gr in 6.5?)

Guys over here are trading in their pussy 6.5x55 for a 308 'cos they need more WHACK.
 
#48
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have been reading books again</div></div>

Nope, just common sense and personal experience killing game with 6.5mm and 30 cal bullets - how bout you?</div></div>

you shooting rabbits or something...

the Nosler manual recommends 150gr for varmint!! (can you even get 150gr in 6.5?)

Guys over here are trading in their pussy 6.5x55 for a 308 'cos they need more WHACK. Paper-puchers apparently don't like recoil very much </div></div>

You claim I get my knowledge from books, then go and quote a reloading manual for a recommended bullet weight...that's just <span style="font-style: italic">golden</span>.

Perhaps if you "guys over there" learned to put a bullet in the right place you wouldn't need more WHACK? I mean really, if ya need more WHACK than a Swede offers why not step up to something like a 300WM that throws those 200gr bullets you seem to favor at 3000fps? Wouldn't want you to be undergunned against a red fox...

Besides, why would anybody need or want the little sister of the vastly superior 30'06 Springfield?
 
#49
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have been reading books again</div></div>

Nope, just common sense and personal experience killing game with 6.5mm and 30 cal bullets - how bout you?</div></div>

you shooting rabbits or something...

the Nosler manual recommends 150gr for varmint!! (can you even get 150gr in 6.5?)

Guys over here are trading in their pussy 6.5x55 for a 308 'cos they need more WHACK. Paper-puchers apparently don't like recoil very much </div></div>

You claim I get my knowledge from books, then go and quote a reloading manual for a recommended bullet weight...that's just <span style="font-style: italic">golden</span>.

Perhaps if you "guys over there" learned to put a bullet in the right place you wouldn't need more WHACK? I mean really, if ya need more WHACK than a Swede offers why not step up to something like a 300WM that throws those 200gr bullets you seem to favor at 3000fps? Wouldn't want you to be undergunned against a red fox...

Besides, why would anybody need or want the little sister of the vastly superior 30'06 Springfield?</div></div>

its handy for shooting rabbits through fence posts

good point though a 30-06 is to a 308 what the swede is to the 260

personally i think the 338 federal is the way to go, even more WHACK. Seriously though, you would be undergunned with a 6.5 on a Sika, even a 270/308 may not put it on its arse - a lot of the pro's use a 30-06.

I know guys that nut stags with 22-250's (not legal) so you can shoot them with anything, but when it doesn't all go to plan you don't want to chase the f&*^*&rs 3 miles over the hill (then drag it back). Its fine saying put it in the right place but the sad fact is lots of people can't and we all screw it up now and again. Stalkers that have never missed have not done much shooting So if you fling a brick down the range it is more forgiving if you screw up. Not relevant argument on steel or paper - which was my point

why go out with a peeshooter when you can take a bazoooooka
 
#50
Re: to go 260 remington, or stick with 308

Been making my way through Brian litz's second edition book and came across the chapter on bullet lethality. Even though the .260 carries more energy, .308 kicks it ass when it comes to lethality.
I love both but can no longer say the .260 can do everything .308 does better.
 
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