Gunsmithing Totally awesome barreling and action truing system

[308nate]

Hey guys,
I have been working on this concept for three years and have been using this system for about 1 year. videos are pretty self explanitory...Enjoy!

308nate

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308nate

 

[hoguer]

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[308nate]

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Sorry,
Got it fixed.
308nate

 

[300sniper]

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so obvious i'm mad i didn't think of it first. great idea!

 

[hero's machine]

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What's the cost on that outfit? Pretty slick. Good job.

 

[ITyson]

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Pretty cool

 

[Boltfluter]

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Great stuff Nate. Very ingenious. Regards, Paul.

 

[treebasher]

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http://www.tiptopwebsite.com/websites/index2.php?username=ssgcustomrifles&page=25

 

[LRI]

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Looks vaugely familiar. Great job!

C.

 

[mdesign]

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Neat...great post

 

[Ratbert]

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You say "4-6 week production runs". Does that mean orders placed today would be 4-6 weeks out for shipping, or is the first run in stock and ready to ship and when it's gone it's 4-6 weeks until the next group is ready?

 

[Field]

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I want one but I'm poor

 

[Ratbert]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: field</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want one but I'm poor</div></div>

At this point, I figure it will disappear into the mountain of existing debt and no one will ever notice.

 

[x ring accuracy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: field</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want one but I'm poor</div></div>

At this point, I figure it will disappear into the mountain of existing debt and no one will ever notice. </div></div>
ie.....your old lady won't notice the 1100 on the c.c.

 

[STR]

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Great job!!! I really like what I saw in the videos, and if I were still in the business, I would be first in line. As a hobbiest, I will order one down the line as I really like working with the best possible tools. Again, congrats, and great job on bringing us another awesome tool.

 

[turbo54]

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A clever design, nicely done. The extra degree of freedom that provides is just what the doctor ordered to quickly (and accurately) indicate actions and barrels. I imagine a full time smith could amortize the cost pretty quickly in time saved.

 

[kennyg]

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Man I love watching these videos! I am not a machinist (a trim carpenter by trade), but I have a lot of respect for the precision work you guys turn out!

 

[dmoran]

True Bore Alignment System

I've seen one in use (at SSG) and was so impressed with the capability it has to hold work stress free.
IMO -they are state of the art and a must have for holding/chucking totally stress free, as is so desired in gunsmithing for barreling and action truing.
Thanks SSG for the innovation !!!!

Donovan Moran

 

[Ratbert]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X Ring Accuracy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: field</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want one but I'm poor</div></div>

At this point, I figure it will disappear into the mountain of existing debt and no one will ever notice. </div></div>
ie.....your old lady won't notice the 1100 on the c.c.

</div></div>

That's like getting it for free, right?

 

[JFComfort]

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Can't wait to get home and check this out!

 

[AJ_Goddard]

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That looks to be a very well thought out system to tram in an action or barrel. If I did chambering or trued Remmy actions I would have to have it. Holding an action without inducing stress. Being able to hold your work securely in a 6 jaw chuck. Not having to work with a special short spindle lathe with a spider on the out board end. This looks to be an awesome product. Looks like I'm talking myself into spending more money.

Put me on the list. I'll take one.

 

[308nate]

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Hey guys, thanks for all your support and comments!You're awesome!


308nate

 

[creids98292]

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(I Don't normally post on any boards) We were Nate's first customer on the Tru-bore alignment system. We've been using it for a month now. We've tried every system out there from spidering to floating reamer holders etc. This is head and shoulders above the rest... Nothing else even comes close to the precision and accuracy attainable with this product. It's worth a lot more than the asking price (We actually just received our second one last week). Thanks Nate, your product solves so many of the problems we encounter trying to put out the most accurate rifles/barrels for our customers.

Ron Sinnema (Owner)
Benchmark Barrels

 

[ackleyfan]

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After reading some posts on Benchrest central and here, It has to feel good getting some big endorsements from some of the big names in the accuracy game....congrats you deserve it!

 

[Nocalphoenix]

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All I know is Nate did one of the first RSR Surgeons for me and it is an absolute lazer with flawless metal work.

 

[JimT]

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How does this system hold the bolt? It's not going to fit in the collet chuck or the 6 jaw. Not trying to pick a fight, just asking a question.

The machined parts are way sexy. Very nice.

 

[Field]

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would have to take the bolt handle off I believe

 

[AJ_Goddard]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks vaugely familiar. Great job!

C. </div></div>
Actually now that I think about it. It does look kinda like something I saw mounted vertical in someones mill. But I think Nate has really done a nice job refining it for the lathe.

 

[300sniper]

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in my head, i had been toying with the jack screw idea and a set-tru style back plate but was hung up on keeping it centered and safe. the ball and socket idea never popped into my head until i saw the video. after seeing it, it's so obvious. i have a good feeling he will be selling quite a few of these to accuracy minded rifle builders. i really can't find any flaw with the idea.

again, great idea nate!

 

[hero's machine]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JimT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does this system hold the bolt? It's not going to fit in the collet chuck or the 6 jaw. Not trying to pick a fight, just asking a question.

The machined parts are way sexy. Very nice. </div></div>

You could use a 4jaw, build some split collets to fit the body, use a short spider, a 1/2" slid in the back and a center......just gotta get creative.

I don't think its just gun nuts that will be interested in this. I am looking for a buy on a six jaw right now so I can justify one.

 

[r44astro]

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very cool

 

[RADcustom]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i really can't find any flaw with the idea.

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This might be a first.

 

[Ratbert]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hero's machine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't think its just gun nuts that will be interested in this.</div></div>

I agree, it solves all sorts of workholding problems and does it with a minimum of effort to boot. I'd also been toying around with various ideas for modifying set-tru backplates and 16C collets and a bunch of other ideas and it was all going to be a PITA to develop, expensive, and questionably effective. I'm all for building my own solutions to things, but this is one case where I'm quite happy to just buy a fully developed solution.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i really can't find any flaw with the idea.

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This might be a first.

</div></div>

 

[cooperjd]

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wow great job man, thats very cool

 

[Al_Ski]

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Wonder if someone paid Frank for the infomercial....

 

[SPM]

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Great job Nate, I'm going to show the owner of the machine shop I work at. There are a number of parts we run where we could use this. SPM

 

[308nate]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JimT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does this system hold the bolt? It's not going to fit in the collet chuck or the 6 jaw. Not trying to pick a fight, just asking a question.

The machined parts are way sexy. Very nice. </div></div>


JimT,
There are many ways to go about it. The way I mostly do it here at the shop is require that the handle be removed and reattached for proper timing. I also offer a threaded handle as part of this option. There have been times though that I have needed to true a bolt that did not have a removable handle. Currently I have a 2" shaft that I milled a "V" in and holds the bolt in front of the chuck.("V" block style) This one can only handle bolts that are fairly near .70. I have been working on a jig, but will be a little while before it is available that will be a split block so basically a 2" shaft with a 1" hole through it, then you will use another split bushing for your different diameter bolts 1" outside bolt diameter inside. This will be slipped over the bolt, the two inch shaft will be counter bored by the handle, then milled so the handle can come out the side in the counter bored portion of the sleeve. This block will be around 2-2-1/2 inches in length, then you will chuck this in the 6-jaw chuck 3 jaws on each half of the split bushing. The handle will escape between two jaws. I
am just in the designing stage of this one for the many different style bolts and handles. so there are many ways to be creative and one could build many different jigs to hold your part rigid in this system. The system just gives the ability to make angular and rotation adjustments while holding your part rigid. Hope this is somewhat understandable. I always struggle with capturing an idea in words, But again 99% of the bolts I true I remove the handle. I realize though that this is unattractive for some.......

All the best,
Nate

 

[308nate]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadlift</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(I Don't normally post on any boards) We were Nate's first customer on the Tru-bore alignment system. We've been using it for a month now. We've tried every system out there from spidering to floating reamer holders etc. This is head and shoulders above the rest... Nothing else even comes close to the precision and accuracy attainable with this product. It's worth a lot more than the asking price (We actually just received our second one last week). Thanks Nate, your product solves so many of the problems we encounter trying to put out the most accurate rifles/barrels for our customers.

Ron Sinnema (Owner)
Benchmark Barrels </div></div>


Ron,
Thanks for the kind works. I'm sure glad the True Bore Alignment System is all that you had hoped.

Hey, hope to see you guys at Kettle Falls this year!!

Nate

 

[308nate]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great job Nate, I'm going to show the owner of the machine shop I work at. There are a number of parts we run where we could use this. SPM </div></div>


SPM,
Yes, I have used the true Bore Alignment System for much more than barrels and actions.for instance I built a spindle extension, so on the out board spindle there is a sleeve that bolts to the spindle on my TL1, so I removed this sleeve, pressed in an extension, tigged it on, then I chucked the sleeve, turned the outside of the extension and bored a hole through the extension. I then bolted it back to the outboard spindle,then set my indicator on the extension to check run out. I was getting accumulative run out as I moved further out on the extension this meant I had an angular error. meaning the face of the sleeve which was bolted to the spindle was not perfectly 90 degrees to my spindle extension. So I chucked the spindle extension in the True Bore Alignment System, got 2 points on the extension running near perfect, faced the sleeve that bolted to the spindle, then bolted it back onto the TL1 and Yeehaw! it's running right on!!!

Nate

 

[JimT]

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Thanks for the reply. Which 6 jaw do you use with this system?

 

[STR]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JimT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the reply. Which 6 jaw do you use with this system? </div></div>

Also, will it work with an 8 inch 6 jaw chuck, or that to big of a chuck? I'm interested in one if it can hold the 8 inch chuck I have.

 

[308nate]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JimT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the reply. Which 6 jaw do you use with this system? </div></div>

I have these set up for a Bison 6" (6-1/4") 6-jaw chuck or the Gator 6-1/4" 6-jaw all steel which is a copy of the Bison. but really any chuck under 6-1/4" could be mounted on this system. I just ship them set up for Bison or Gator.

all the best,
308nate

 

[308nate]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: STR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JimT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the reply. Which 6 jaw do you use with this system? </div></div>

Also, will it work with an 8 inch 6 jaw chuck, or that to big of a chuck? I'm interested in one if it can hold the 8 inch chuck I have. </div></div>

STR,
No, your 8" won't work with this system as the chuck must fit inside the angular adjustment bolt pattern to allow access and unless I see a huge demand for it, I most likely won't be making a system that works with the 8" chuck.... thanks for your interest though,

308nate

 

[STR]

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I was afraid of that..... Thank you Nate.

 

[SMILEY 369]

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TAG

 

[308nate]

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Hey guys,
Had to take a few pix of the progress.........hope you enjoy shiny metal.
Will be posting some more videos and pix of other cool stuff soon!


308nate


1-1/2" plate water-jetted circles.

operation side one.

operation two and three.

plate two operation one.

Hope to be finishing these up by end of this week to the middle of next......

 

[lw8]

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Beautiful work.

 

[Ratbert]

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It's good to see that they're moving along, thanks for the updates.

 

[Ratbert]

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How are things coming along? Getting close to the finishline?