Toxicity of a "Reloading Room"?

sawgunner2001

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Brief question: How toxic is a "reloading room" to an infant?

Explanation behind question: My wife and I are expecting a baby
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. We live in a 3 bedroom apartment. We occupy one bedroom, have a 14yr old in another, and the third bedroom is occupied by all my reloading stuff. I'd imagine for the first 6 month's or so, the new infant will be with us in our BR, but after that will probably deserve its own place. There is room for a crib and other baby stuff in my "reloading room", but was potentially concerned with the toxicity of spent primers, misc dusts, etc. Can anyone confirm or deny my concerns?

Thanks
 
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By the time you get done moving all your stuff out, cleaning, PAINTING, cleaning again, PAINTING AGAIN and moving all of the BABY stuff in, that room could double as a surgical suite. Honestly, if you have never seen a woman go into "nesting mode" your in for a treat
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Seriously, unless you were casting lead boolets in there you'll be fine. Clean, vacuum, dust, paint and carry on.

Cheers,

Doc
 
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As long as the environmental surfaces are smooth and sealed, they are easy to keep clean. Keep it clean, and you'll do fine.

Greg
 
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Please let me shake up your assurances.
Lead is a very serious health hazard for infants and there should be no exposure to lead for an infant.

Is your reloading room being cleaned up and closed down for the baby, or are you going to be actively reloading with baby stuff in the room?
Infants start to have discernable negative health outcomes with blood lead levels as low as 10ug/dl. In a 5 kg infant that equates to about 0.001 grains of lead. Your number one route of exposure is going to come from tumbling fired cases and the dust that it produces. This should not be done indoors. If you are only using new components then lead exposure will be very limited. But even punching primers out of old cases creates lead debris and dust that builds up inside. This dust and debris gets on your hands and clothes and on you. This is then tracked through the apartment or settles on the baby's things. This lead will invariably make it into the baby's mouth. Infants are just so sensitive to lead exposure that this is really a chance you don't want to take.
All my reloading is done in a seperate shop. When my 4 and 6 year old daughters help me, I make them wear gloves, and wash up after. All my tumbling is done outside with liquid polish added not so much for the shine, but to eliminate dust.
 
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I have a 5 and 1.5 year old and have often wondered the same, little kids are good at putting small things in their mouths. I keep my reloading room closed, but I often wonder if an errant primer spent or otherwise might make it out on the soul of a shoe or something. Obviously there is the lead concern, and kids getting a bullet in their little mouths. Its alot to think about, so I just keep them as far away from it as I can.
 
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"All my tumbling is done outside with liquid polish added not so much for the shine, but to eliminate dust."

Well, much of your concern from lead in reloading is vastly over rated, there is very little lead dust in any part of our spent components.

By far, most of the tumbling media dust you are worried about is not lead realated at all, it's only excessive amounts of dried polish dust. Most people add far more polish than is needed and then keep adding more as they go along; perhaps to eliminate the "dust"?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BULLET SPONGE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just as clarification do you intend to keep the room for reloading as well as the baby's room?? </div></div>

I was hoping too. I don't reload any shotshells, only centerfire handgun/rifle cartridges. My bench is 2'x4' and fits really nice in a corner in that room. The only other places it could go would be in my bedroom (after furniture was re-arranged) or the living room (which would present the same problem, only less so due to the larger area).

It would be extremely convenient to use the 3rd BR as the baby's room and also have it double as a reloading room. This is something I just thought of today and we still have 33 weeks to make something happen. I just didn't want to wait till the last minute and not know the answer.

Moving into a 4BR apt is not desired (due to cost), but hasn't been ruled out. I'm definitely not buying a house of any form or fashion due to the falling real estate values here.

Thanks for all the comments thus far. Keep 'em coming.
 
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Here's my current thinking...Leave everything as is for now. The baby will probably "live" in the master BR for the first 6 months, so just restrict its access to the "reloading room" during that time. When the child is old enough to graduate from the master BR to its own, transfer his/her furniture from the master BR to the reloading room and the reloading equipment/supplies to the master BR. Of course, doing a thorough cleaning of the reloading room prior to moving the infant's furniture into it.
 
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When my first daughter was born, I thought the 6 months in my bedroom thing was gonna happen too. It lasted three days. Couldn't sleep because every time she made a noise or rolled over, I was awake. I bought a monitor and put her in her room and never looked back.
That bedroom used to be a reloading/gun room too. All I did was remove the benches and stuff. I relocated them to a corner of the garage, repainted the room and she has never had a problem.
If you are concerned about the child getting into your things (later on of course) might I suggest a hutch with closeable doors so you can lock it up. Vacuum the floors when you are done to remove the possibility of junk on the floor.
 
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************ FEAR ANY & ALL LEAD ************************

From prior to the time I was born, my dad was a SERIOUS, ACTIVE competition Trap (shotgun) shooter. Being a wealthy man, he bought Lawrence Brand, # 7.5 shot in Ton lots when he felt he needed more. A spare bedroom upstairs served as his loading room.

Me being his little buddy & He my hero, from the time I was in diapers I just had to be involved with everything he did. So from the time I was in diapers, my first job was inserting wads into his Ponsness/Warren progressive reloading press. To this day I can still hear the sound of spilled shot bouncing around on the old oak "reloading" desk. It was shot that missed the mark when refilling the machine.

I can remember my teeny little hands having a graphite tint from playing in the shot.It was cool and felt neat to grab a hand full and let it pour through the gaps in between my little fingers.

I remember once seeing shot in the bottom of a glass of water on the desk. Dad and I were sipping from it as we loaded and loaded and loaded.

I asked dad "is it bad for their to be shot in our water?" He replied that there was nothing to worry about as it was quite heavy compared to water and would stay in the bottom of the glass with no worries of drinking it in.

I guess in the 70's everyday people had not been made aware of the dangers of lead, especially with children.

I loaded on and was around that press & lead shot for 18 or so years.

In school I was determined early on to be LD- learning disabled (in a textbook format of teaching) ADD and dyslexic. I had SEVERE asthma, as well as practically no immune system strength or so I believe I was then, and am now probably sick, as often as I'm well. As an adult I am diagnosed with fibromyalgia & I oddly started balding in my twenties though male pattern baldness is not on either side of my parents families.

I was recently IQ tested @ 122 I think it was, which I'm told is good. But as I explain it to friends ""Oh yeah, I have tons of horsepower in my head, but my clutch slips- I occasionally have trouble getting power to the ground." I'm constantly dealing with some level of a brain fog.

Fast forward to my late twenties- I was competing -HEAVILY- in IPSC. I educated myself about high production bullet casting. I got the gear and commenced to making bullets literally by the 5 gallon bucket fulls.

I called Sierra BulletSmiths and asked to speak "with the most knowledgeable person about CASTING bullets." That conversation occurred probably 8 or so years ago so I do not remember the gentlemans name I spoke with, however I was calling to see if i could get some tips & tricks from an older & more experienced caster hoping to produce better bullets. I remember the conversation like it was last week. The guy, after I told him what I was up to lectured me about lead exposure like some loving uncle. He made me promise to him I would wear rubber gloves, a synthetic apron, a full face shield AND a lead approved respirator, and with all this still made me promise to do it all outside, and never bring the PPE indoors.

His reasoning is that he claimed to have gone from a brilliant college educated business man to a forgetful oaf that had a memory not as long as his little finger and really had come up with some struggles in daily life. He claimed it occurred in a relatively short period of time, and the only thing that had change was he got into casting bullets. I was made a believer...

I share some of my very personal things, things of vulnerability openly hoping it protects some or many children somewhere. I'm not saying lead is the (only) thing behind all that plagues me, but I'm an isolated case in a generally healthy++ family. And just so happens I was the only little kid in the family with all that heavy lead exposure.

A a grown man convinced me his lead exposure "dumbed him down" GREATLY in a relatively short period of time

You have been made aware, as I wish someone had made my "daddy" aware.

Tres
 
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family first, forgo reloading for a bit if you have to. I would vib my brass outside, and also separate outside to make sure no dust made it in. I'd also strip down and shower up afterwords for any trace contamination. My reloading room is in the basement, but near the furnace, so I am not chancing any lead dust. All my depriming also occurs out in the garage as well.

I figure a few extra steps is worth it for the health of my son and family.

My son is 9 months now, and I'm sure I'll keep doing this until he grows up.

As others have said, man up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Well, much of your concern from lead in reloading is vastly over rated, there is very little lead dust in any part of our spent components.
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Do share where your education in this matter comes from and what spent components you think hold the most hazards for his newborn baby?

I would be very careful reloading indoors with very young kids around. You won't be shooting much for the next couple years (trust me), what about selling all the reloading gear and components and saving the money from the 4 BR apt idea and just buying some cases of factory ammo? When time/money/space allow then get back into reloading.

Time to both reload and shoot with youngsters around is tough to come by, eliminate the reloading and you'll have more time to shoot.
 
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TreMon-

You have my sympathy.

Many people today suffer from toxic world syndrome, the overblown idea that everything and anything out there will cause cancer and kill you. Their perceptions are reinforced by a hyperbolic media that exaggerates every suspicious sounding chemical in an effort to scare up some ratings. It's gotten to the point where true health hazards, like lead, can get lost in the noise.
We should all know that lead blood level tests are easy to get and pretty cheap, so any questions can be resolved quickly and relatively painlessly with a trip to the doctor.
 
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"Do share where your education in this matter comes from and what spent components you think hold the most hazards for his newborn baby?"

Sure. But I can't tell you where to go in a library to confirm it because it comes from a lifetime of of use, exposure, some knowledge of chemistry and our bodies with a bit of common sense.

First, only lead dust or lead compounds are absorbable in body tissue so lead itself isn't an automatic health hazard. We can eat solid bird shot or bullet fragments in game and it will not be absorbed. We can live a normal life with bullet fragments in old wounds with no harm from the lead. Those are facts, not guesses.

Any lead dust or compounds we may ingest take a long time and some pretty strong concentrations to reach a toxic level. Children who chewed on chips of old lead paint didn't fall over in a brain dead coma immediately, it took a LOT of paint chips to reach that level of exposure. Birds can be poisoned by bird shot or bullet fagments but that's because they have a digestive system that grinds food down to a powder, their's are vastly different from ours.

Reloaders get exposure from inhaling lead vapors while casting in a poorly ventalated area, against all recommendations. Or transfering finger born cast bullet dust from fingers to food or directly to the mouth; washing hands instead of licking our fingers clean fixes that. There just aren't any other exposures to microscopic lead particals during reloading.

Primers use a small amount of lead styphenate (SP?) to increase sensitivity to impact. That compound has very little lead and is itself only a small part of the total active chemicals in the tiny pellet of explosive. Most of the primer chemicals are blown down range in firing. Since the primer pellet is very small and there was very little lead in the primer compound to begin with, and by far most of that gets blown away, there is no way any significant residual amount of lead can be left in our cases to take home for tumbling, etc. The primer "lead" dust which gets blown down range can, possibly, become a breathing hazard in indoor ranges. But that's mostly to employees exposed for hours each day for long months of work, it's really not much of a hazard to the occasional visitor/shooter. All of that exposure is easily taken care of with a bit of common sense ventalation at the range but it has NO impact on an infant at home.

So, what part of reloading do you consider a realistic health hazard to an infant who can't run his/her fingers through dad's birdshot and lick the gray stuff off fingers? And, perhaps share your education in how that can be so?
 
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I was just offering my experience, I'm not much for theories.
I'm not after sympathy, And I am not upset with my dad in the least.

FWIW.
 
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Tres, your situation is indeed tragic but it's clear you have a mature handle on dealing with it. Good luck to you sir!
 
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There are some excellent points here. Metallic lead is relatively biologically inert. In the environment it generally oxidizes to a lead oxide which is again a relatively stable compound (think of the old white lead balls found in civil war battlefields). The lead styphnate found in primers is, however, a highly soluble metallic salt material that is of concern, as is any combustion byproduct found in spent primers, or any residual dust resulting form handling spent brass or from depriming operations. Note from Winchester's MSDS sheet regarding lead styphnate: "Explosive, Skin and eye irritant; lung, kidney, nervous system, blood and reproductive toxin; highly toxic, carcinogen." Be very carefull and clean wall and floor surfaces well.

Most of us practice good "industrial" hygine and clean our hands well after handling spent brass. Heck, some of us may not even notice a little brain damage...
 
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"Most of us practice good "industrial" hygine and clean our hands well after handling spent brass. Heck, some of us may not even notice a little brain damage..."

mjb2, well said. Thing about Material Safety Data Sheets is they must presume the user will eat five pounds of the stuff a day for a year. But, the trace amount of lead left in a fired case is barely detectable with sophisticated testing.

I gave up licking my cases and fingers clean over 10 years ago. I've been reloading/casting for some 45 years now and it's never bothered me. me. me. me. Yet. Yet.

(Just what is a "yet"? I saw a TV report on a drive-by shooting a few weeks ago, they said the lady was still alive but "the bullet was in her yet". WTF?)