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Training AIR rifles?

GasLight

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Hey all, wondering if anyone here is shooting air rifle for training for practical/tactical shooting? What kind of rifle are you shooting?

OK, no this is not a trolling exercise
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I wanting to get a PCP/Compressed air, and was looking at Anschutz but not sure if there is something a little better suited?

Anyway, would appreciate hearing what if anything folks are using.

Dave
 
Re: Training AIR rifles?

You bet... I shoot my EDgun Matador almost every day of the week and in the last 14 months of owning it I have used it more than any of my rimfires or centerfires. I use it primarily for varmint & critter control out in the orchard from typically 50-130 yards or so. it's been one heck of a learning experience because of the inherent and unforgiving ballistics of pellets (you need to be spot-on with your range & wind reading) and the lock time & pellet travel time makes follow though critical. Every little mistake is magnified even moreso than a rimfire. My Matador wears an FFP mil/mil scope just like all my other rifles. Great practical training because critter control is never a set range, position, or condition. I shoot quite a bit of targets with it too (dots & groups from varied positions.)

Fantastically accurate, lots of critter stopping power for an air rifle (32 ft/lbs), and plenty of shots on a fill (68-70 shots.) Great balance, nice and compact to lug around in a vehicle. It looks uncomfortable but because of the excellent balance it handles very well in prone/sitting/kneeling/offhand.

However, if I was buying a rifle strictly for training purposes and exclusively punching paper & targets I would get something with substantially less muzzle energy that can deliver more shots on a fill. Something like a Daystate Airwolf MCT in .22 set in "low power" mode for punching paper. At the 12 ft/lb setting the Airwolf will manage about 400 shots on a single fill. You can also crank it up to 40 ft/lbs for hunting smaller critters.

I nearly purchased an Airwolf but the EDgun's small bullpup size makes it so much handier than a standard rifle when getting in and out of a vehicle frequently for critter control.

The Airwolf, while very easy on air supply and amazingly consistent because of the electronically metered valving system also has some drawbacks because of that. Namely some reports of bad boards, defective battery packs, short life from the battery pack reported by some users, or owners just forgetting to charge it prior to shooting.

You can always sacrifice a little air use and velocity consistency by losing the electronics and getting an Air Ranger which is all-mechanical and will still manage about 300 shots per fill at 12 ft/lbs. Still a great rifle.

If you don't want to drop that much money (a lot of people have a heart attack when they find out there are air rifles that cost more than $150 at Big 5, not to mention the ones with 4-digit plus price tags) a Benjamin Marauder would do a fine job too-- even moreso after you send it to Mac-1 airguns for a tuneup (or just buy one direct from them already tuned, $550 I think.) A tuned Marauder is a damn good air rifle.

There are plenty of other great air rifles out there that would do what you have in mind but I only have experience with Daystate, EDgun, Theoben, Benjamin, and AirForce... oh, and my old Crosman 760 pumpmaster I got for Christmas when I was 7 but that doesn't really count.


Here's my EDgun...

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Re: Training AIR rifles?

You can't go wrong with an Marauder especially for their very reasonable price point. They are a lot of gun for the money.

I'd highly suggest buying one from Mac-1 airguns and having them test & tune it prior to shipping-- the tuned versions will have a much more consistent velocity over a fill and therefore be more accurate at range. If you plan on hunting with it have it tuned to a higher muzzle energy, if you plan on training/targets only then I'd ask for them to tune it to a lower energy and maximize shots per fill.

Don't forget you'll need fill accessories... my recommendation is to skip the 3000psi SCUBA tanks and hand pumps and go right to a 300 bar (4500psi) SCBA tank or two. Poke around on ebay, I picked up 3x 44cf tanks that still have 8 years left on them for about $150 each shipped. Before you go down the road of 300 bar tanks make sure there is someplace locally that can fill 300 bar tanks for you. Many dive shops can only fill to 3500psi or so. Fire stations are usually a good bet... play nice and they might even fill for free.
 
Re: Training AIR rifles?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GasLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey all, wondering if anyone here is shooting air rifle for training for practical/tactical shooting? What kind of rifle are you shooting?

OK, no this is not a trolling exercise
laugh.gif


I wanting to get a PCP/Compressed air, and was looking at Anschutz but not sure if there is something a little better suited?

Anyway, would appreciate hearing what if anything folks are using.

Dave </div></div>

Hi Dave,

If you get a good Marauder that shoots around 1 MOA then you are GTG.I've read on the Yellow forum where Crossman was putting out some bad ones not too long ago.If you got a lemon you could either send it back to the manufacturer or have a Walther match barrel put on and/or tuned internals by a good airgun smith.The cost for this will put you waaaaay less than a Anschutz.My friend Mark had this done and he also built a AICS stock for it complete with bipod to use in Hunter Field Target,HFT class.

Any trigger time is a type of training,right?Just practicing the fundamentals.Sure beats thinking about shooting when you could be in the back yard actually shooting projectiles vs dry firing.

I haven't been shooting my rimfires as much as I used to because I find it easier to shoot my airguns right on my own property.I have a bunch of little steels made up and set em at random distances out to 130,range em and go at it.The interesting thing I've come to discover is reading the wind and hold offs are very similar to centerfire but in a scaled down version and of course relative to size and distance.It definitely helps hone the wind reading skills because if you read the wind wrong your'e gonna miss.

One of the biggest attributes I can pinpoint about the use of airguns as traning is the development of a shooting form.Believe me...any mistakes that one might make are amplified!The #1 mistake being not "following through" on the shot.

There's a ton of nice PCP's out there built for different purposes just like the centerfire world.How much you wanna spend? What level of power do you need?