So I've been having too much trouble with a Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 and I am going to get a refund for it. The scope I am looking at now is a Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x24 and I was wondering for anyone who has one is it really 1x like the Vortex? Now the Vortex is basically 1x passed maybe 25 feet and this is what I would hope for the CMR if not better. I really want that seamless 1x magnification. Does anyone know from experience or what are some other options with "True" 1x under maybe $1500.
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Rifle Scopes "True" 1x Options
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Your budget is 1500 dollars and your looking at leatherwood?
There is no way the leatherwood is a upgrade in any way to the Vortex.
There is no way the leatherwood is a upgrade in any way to the Vortex.
One thing to remember is that even on all true 1x optics things will appear magnified within very close range because you are seeing the image from a point of view from the front of the scope rather than from the location of your eye. This is negligible at farther distances but when you start getting within the 25 foot range like you mentioned all scopes will start showing some apparent magnification that becomes greater as you get closer.
I have a Trijicon TR24 and sold a Nikon M223 1-4.
They were true 1x beyond 10 feet or so.
I don't know why people make such a big deal about 1.05x or 1.1x at closer range... I can use the BAC (shooting with both eyes open) with as much as 3 or 4 power so WTF is the difference if it's a smidge over 1x?
The point of low magnification is to increase FOV and the difference in FOV is negligible.
OP, a Leatherwood is definitely a step down from the Vortex.
Joe
They were true 1x beyond 10 feet or so.
I don't know why people make such a big deal about 1.05x or 1.1x at closer range... I can use the BAC (shooting with both eyes open) with as much as 3 or 4 power so WTF is the difference if it's a smidge over 1x?
The point of low magnification is to increase FOV and the difference in FOV is negligible.
OP, a Leatherwood is definitely a step down from the Vortex.
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X3 Here... currently the best all-around value in a low-power variable IMHO.
So...I do agree with this statement. But why such a big deal about a true 1x scope? This is a scope and not a red dot so to me I use this more as a scope than at 1x. If I used 1x more I would buy a red dot.
I have used this scope for cqb and while it is awesome it is not a red dot. It is so close though in terms of speed I cannot tell but size and weight is clearly different. For me the scope is as good of a scope as i have used at 1x but much more at home, and awesome, in the 50 to 600 yard range.
So what is the use/need that requires a true 1x in a scope instead of a red dot?
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I think of it as the best compromise between a red dot and magnified object for a intermediate rifle such as an AR. An aimpoint is not going to be ideal for longer shots requiring some degree of accuracy, while a true full magnified optic would be unusable for close range work. The 1x scope achieves both goals well enough without the added bulk and what not from adding a magnifier to a red dot.
Not under your price point but, my USO 1-8 will be here Friday. After mounting and testing I will be posting a review.
It's not a Mk VI, but my Leupold 3 Gun VX-6 1-6x24 Custom Shop SPR is a true 1x and with the illuminated feature, it operates pretty much like a red dot at very close range. Very light, bright and short and about $700 less than the Mk VI. It's SPF, but that shouldn't matter one bit at the range you're wanting.
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someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but with any variable power scope that goes down to 1x will have some type of "fish eye" effect and will only be true 1x past about 10yards or so.... I think the only way to get true 1x from 0 to 30feet is with a red dot or eotech. I have the vortex 1-4 pst and I love it. I would rather put up with the fish eye effect at 10yards and less than to put up with a red dot and magnifier with the extra weight.
Now your sorry that you asked for 1-x scope information. I'll eat your whole weekend.
The variable, low power multipurpose scope review thread - AR15.COM
x scope information. I'll eat your whole weekend.The variable, low power multipurpose scope review thread - AR15.COM
While I absolutely love my Mk6, I'd have to agree that the whole "True 1X" thing is way over-blown. I actually have one of the since discontinued Aimpoint Comp ML2-2X red dots that I find to be quite usable. I have no problem using it "both-eyes-open" and really don't find the 2X magnification to be an issue. I have to kinda laugh when I read someone moaning about 1.1 or 1.2X... Really?
That was really what I was wondering. I thought I might have been missing something. I have the mk6 1-6 and a mk4 1.5-5 and while the mk6 is a way better scope the illuminated cmr reticle on the 1.5 is probably just as fast and accurate for close shots. The sight picture in the mk6 is more desirable to me. By the time you add in moving, multiple targets, both eyes open shooting, other shooters, and time pressures I honestely cannot tell the performance difference between a true 1x and the 1.5x.
Maybe just me though.
Just a heads up to you guys, 1.1 power is true 1x power. 1.1 power represents the true mathematical equivalent to 1x power.
Here is a good thread on the ar15 forum The variable, low power multipurpose scope review thread - AR15.COM
Matters to enough people that Optics companies strive for it. It is a Selling Point / Deal Breaker for some.
I mean I guess now I am considering returning my Vortex and try for another one. Part of me thinks that it is me who is not mounting it correctly. I am using a torque wrench set to 17 inch pounds. LaRue LT-104 with the bottom screws tightened first, all screws with blue loctite. I just don't see how they could be picky enough to the point where that wasn't good enough. I am also thinking about just going for Nightforce, if it is long enough for my specific mounting style.
Well in this case I am glad they did because the mk6 is a huge upgrade over my mk4 IMHO.
send it back and they will replace it. They will pay shipping both ways so your not out anything
I dont know what type of shooting that you do, but I have the newer Vortex 1-6x HD and really like it. It was made for 3gun so if you do any of that type of shooting I am sure you would love it. One of the selling points of going with Vortex was their no questions asked lifetime warranty, I really liked that and at the time Vortex was one of the only companies with a 1-6 power optic.
The whole story is that I have so far sent back 3 Vortex Scopes all with this problem. They were all the same model and I really want to use this scope so I am going to stick with it for a while. The way that I see it is that there is no reason why I can't have this scope and have it work fine. I had a guy on another forum tell me about how he sent a Leupold back for the same reason twice, after that he had no problems so I kind of thought, well I'll keep getting this newest one fixed and maybe all the loose things will get shaken out and I won't have any more issues. With this most current scope I have had the least amount of trouble. So if I have to send it back 2 more times, and after that I still have problems, then I am going to get a refund and get a Burris 1-4x24.
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I just mounted a new Bushnell "ELITE" Tactical 1-6.5 FFP with BTR-2 reticle this afternoon, and zero'd it on my SPRish AR. I'm impressed so far.....appears to be true 1x for what thats worth, and the reticle is AWESOME. Yes it gets "small" on 1x....its just like a red dot at that point, which isn't so bad. At 6.5, I have a horseshoe, with center dot, and mil based windage and holdover lines.....with 10 mils of hold over. More than enough for my AR uses. It is kinda heavy @ 18.5 ozs. It was late in the afternoon, but the reticle illum was fine. I'll have to test it at high noon on an open/sunny range, but so far so good. On 1x, I was able to easily make hits on 100 and 135 yard half IPSC steel, just like shooting a 4 MOA Aimpoint. On 6.5, I was printing sub MOA groups......so far I like this optic as an all around AR optic.
This weekend, I'll get a chance to take it out to some distance on steel, and see if this reticle works at range.
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If you have never looked through a Trijicon TR24 1-4 then you REALLY need to. They blow a vortex pst 1-4 out of the water. I would almost say that is not an opinion. The 1x is almost perfect. 2 eyes open is super easy to do. Only at about 5 yards is there a tiiinny bit of paralax error. It is hands down the BEST 1-4 optic I have ever looked through. It is on my dedicated pig/deer hunting AR which is 300 blackout. Also, the glass is insanely clear and picks up a lot of light at dusk/dawn. The tritium is perfect too if you run a light on your gun at night time for hog control. But, if you want an optic that is Mil/Mil then yeah use the vortex or something different this is just an amazing optic to look through. good luck
I would love to have the MK6 1-6, but after putting a MK6 3-18 on my bolt gun, I may have to opt for the Vortex PST 1-4 for my AR. From all the research I have done, it seems to be the best bang for the buck.
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