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Gunsmithing Two stage 700 triggers comparison

FjallJager

FjallJager

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    #1
    I have 3, one is a Geissele (not a fan), one is the sexual chocolate CG Xtreme, and the other is a Huber.

    I'd rate the CG Xtreme as not only the best trigger I own, but the best trigger I have ever felt in my entire life.

    I have owned multiple single stage Jewells, a Timney two stage (disgusting), and several military and civilian rifles that had great triggers; Blaser R93, Sauer 202, Sauer 3000 SSG, Sako TRG-42 and one of the best ever was the Swiss K-31.

    I'd like to try the Tubb and the Bix N Andy, but am worried that I will be $400 into it and wish it was the CG-Xtreme.
     
    #7
    I've tried just about all of them and I like the Bix trigger and the Tubb. I haven't gotten to use the Trigger Tech that's coming out very soon. I also liked the CG.

    I should say that the Tubb trigger is well designed from a use standpoint and like it's adjustability, but the thing doesn't fit in any chassis that I have tried. I don't know about some of the latest iterations, like the MPA (changes specs about every 5 minutes) and such, but I just tried it in a brand new KRG and it still doesn't fit. It needs inlet in the front and the back. It also won't fit in a lot of actions (Bighorn Surgeon), without filing down part of the back of the trigger. It did fit in the American Rifle Company stuff I have tried.

    Would be cool if someone made a fixture to fasten to a stock through the rear action screw that would allow for simple inletting of the Tubb trigger.
     
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    #10
    FjallJager said:
    Would you say the Bix and Tubb are equal to the Sako TRG triggers?
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    If you are asking me; I would say that either is better, but I guess I haven't a ton of experience on a TRG trigger and the one I have used may have been able to be tuned better. So I can't say for sure, but I definitely like the Bix and the Tubb a lot.

    I have a Huber, and I'm not sure about it. I had him set it as low as he feels is "safe" which still was like a 1# first stage and a 1/2# second stage. It's definitely a different feel than any of the others. I just really like the repeatability of the Bix (I've never had any issues with it at all), and I like the adjustability and reliability of the Tubb. It's just a pain that the Tubb fits almost nothing without some work to make it fit.
     
    #14
    The only thing I like more about the Huber than the Geissele was the that the huber had more travel in the first stage. I don't like that all my Huber triggers will fire if you put the safety on fire and hit the butt stock on the ground.

    There is no way to objectively test how a trigger feels to you.
     
    #15
    FjallJager said:
    Does anyone know of a non-subjective fairly scientific method of rating triggers? Beyond us mortal POG riflemen?
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    There are machines that you can use to measure creep, first stage take up, second stage break, over travel, and pretty much any other aspect of a trigger. You can use those measurements to form a rating. But, ratings are fundamentally subjective.

    For example, some people love the Huber trigger. But, from what I understand, the trigger blade will not return to its start position if you pull to the first stage stop, but do not fire the rifle. You have to recock the gun to reset the trigger. That is a big turn off for me, and I would rate that trigger low. Others would consider a light weight first stage as “creep,” rating many 2 stage triggers low. How much overtravel should a trigger have? How much weight to you put on adjustability rank? Is a trigger that requires you to remove the action from the stock to adjust, fundamentally flawed?

    What do you not like about the CG Elite?

    Triggers are like women. Everyone else can tell you what they like and don’t like. But, to really find one you like, you’re gonna have to finger them...
     
    #16
    The Anshutz, Gruenig & Elmiger and the T7T all contain the same overall design concept.
    BTW- you can adjust a T7T to be used as a single stage trigger with single stage weight in the 4 -5 oz. range.

    The other feature that these 3 have is the ability/option to use a square cocking sear on the bolt. The use of a square cocking piece and a square trigger sear will improve the overall accuracy of the rifle from 3-5% or possibly more depending on the bolt body action tolerances.. Why - because it allows the bolt body to be held in a more central position when fired (not jammed up at 12 oclock as they are now). How many events are decided by a point or and X ? Small percentages improvements add up to big returns.
     
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    hlee said:
    There are machines that you can use to measure creep, first stage take up, second stage break, over travel, and pretty much any other aspect of a trigger. You can use those measurements to form a rating. But, ratings are fundamentally subjective.

    For example, some people love the Huber trigger. But, from what I understand, the trigger blade will not return to its start position if you pull to the first stage stop, but do not fire the rifle. You have to recock the gun to reset the trigger. That is a big turn off for me, and I would rate that trigger low. Others would consider a light weight first stage as “creep,” rating many 2 stage triggers low. How much overtravel should a trigger have? How much weight to you put on adjustability rank? Is a trigger that requires you to remove the action from the stock to adjust, fundamentally flawed?

    What do you not like about the CG Elite?

    Triggers are like women. Everyone else can tell you what they like and don’t like. But, to really find one you like, you’re gonna have to finger them...
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    The Huber blade does move back.
    Whatever it’s moved does not.
    It just makes the first stage feel even lighter.

    Personally I feel if I’m not being limited by the trigger then I have no need to look any further for greener grass.
    I’m perfectly happy with my Huber and also enjoy shooting my buddy’s 700 with the CG.

    Hell, even the trigger on my savage with the target spring is pretty decent.

    I’m planning on possibly building a big boy rifle this year and I’ll either get another Huber or possibly try a Tubb or B&A
     
    #19
    2 Stages I’ve own/owned: Anschutz (Tubb2000), Geiselle (AR’s), KIDD (10/22), CG-X (Pierce Bolt gun), and now multiple Tubb T7T’s.

    All nice triggers, but now I would only pursue the T7T for a bolt rifle with maybe a small curiosity for the BnA Tac Sport if a particular action could not accept the T7T for some reason....maybe a trigger hanger design?

    Adjustability, design and durability, and feel of T7T put it at the top for me. Huber should not be in this discussion based on design alone—see above comments.

    T7T has been excellent in my Vudoo 22 and Bighorn TL3 (hunting rifle) both in MPA chassis without modification....and of course flawless in my Tubb ATR rifle.
     
    #20
    I'm kind of surprised / concerned why no one mentioned the Timney Calvin Elite 2 stage as I was looking at putting one into a rifle I just picked up that has a single stage currently? Where would you rate it relative to the other triggers mentioned above?
     
    #22
    Steel head said:
    I don’t hear the CE 2 stage rated very highly.
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    I’ve run several CE 2-stages, and presently run one now. I like them quite a bit, but I’m also not the kind of shooter who wants a sub-1lb. trigger. I’m a huge AI fan and former owner. I had to sell mine last year and sorely miss it, but I won’t be able to replace it for some time, and as such want to find a trigger with a similar feel. A lot of the 2-stage triggers I’ve tried have too short of a first stage take-up for me, so I’m always looking to find the most “AI-like” trigger I can find. But IMO, there’s nothing wrong with the Timney CE 2-stage.
     
    #26
    I run Timney CE 2 -stage triggers in my comp guns and have not had any trouble. They break clean and have endured all kinds of weather conditions without missing a beat. One is in a trued Remington 700 and the other is in a Impact.
     
    #31
    I’ve had the CG, BixnAndy Tacsport, and Huber. I like the CG best, but the Tacsport is really close. Unfortunately, I can’t mount the CG on my Impact, so that goes on the TL3. I’ve used both in matches and never felt I was giving something up over the other.
     
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    #34
    The one that bolts to the bottom of an Impact 737.

    I wound up getting rid of my T7T because it was not able to work with the Impact. The tail end of the trigger, when installed in the hanger, does not allow the rear of the hanger to be bolted onto the action.
     
    #35
    Wheres-Waldo said:
    The one that bolts to the bottom of an Impact 737.

    I wound up getting rid of my T7T because it was not able to work with the Impact. The tail end of the trigger, when installed in the hanger, does not allow the rear of the hanger to be bolted onto the action.
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    Got any pictures?
    Who makes the Impact ?
     
    #36

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    Circled is the rear bolt which holds the hanger to the action. The rear of the T7T prevents access to this bolt & in turn, does no allow the hanger to be installed in the action once the T7T is in the hanger.


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    #39
    Tubb makes a great trigger, I also have a TT diamond that has been sitting in its box for 6 months now. I guess because I cant imagine it being much better. That, and im kind of a 2 stage fan. as others have said it is a biiig trigger. it may not work with what stock/chassis/action you have. without modification. Enjoy
     
    #40
    I tried the CE 2-stage first and it was OK. I didn't like the first stage length of travel. I now have four BA TacSports and love them. They are infinitely adjustable. I've got the first stage at about 1/8" with as little weight as possible. Overall trigger pull is about 7 oz. with zero creep. I'm pretty sure my settings are crazy unusual but it works great for me.

    I've been waiting for TT to come out with a 2-stage to try. I hear so many good things about their single stage.
     
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