Suppressors Typical supressor price in the USA?

[viking78]

What does cost center fire rifle supressors in the USA?
And how many states you can owns a supressor, with out been having pay extra cost of having the supressor?

 

[SkyScrapin]

You're answers are going to be vague unless you provide some more substance. Things that play into price are material, design, labor hours, type of machine use, tubeless or tubed, fully welded or spot welded, cerakote, QD or direct thread, etc., etc... I can tell you that I have a the old Surefire 762SS legacy suppressor and it doesn't hold a candle to my Thunder Beast Ultra 9... The Ultra is made of lighter, stronger, more expensive materials and cost me much less ($1,600~ versus $1,000~).

If cost is a concern, a center fire .30 cal can can be had for $500<.

Regarding states that allow suppressors, you'll probably get a quicker answer than I can provide by googling. Think SilencerCo has a map publish. Is that thing still around?

 

[viking78]

Well, i just asking typical price of the supressors.
Here in Europe, it is very simple way to say the price.
Is it made of alloy or steel, is it for hunting or military.
There are no spesifitation like you just gave me.
Alloy or steel, hunting or military.
What is tubeless or tubed, im not that familiar all the names of the technical systems.
Like here in Finland, there is no dissemble supresors on sale, they are all welded or put to gether so, that you are not able to wind it up.
Cleaning is meant to be do with the ultra sonic cleaner.
In the EU area there are few big names in the supressors.
Here are few of the links.
http://stalonsilencer.com/silencers
https://hausken.no/en/
http://www.a-tec.no/
http://nielsengunparts.com/en/products/sonic-45/
http://jaki.fi/
http://www.jahtivaruste.fi/en/
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/
http://www.aseutra.fi/index-en

 

[Zak Smith]

Look on Silencer Shop, Mile High Shooting, or any other place that lists prices online and has a lot of cans

 

[Olen_4504]

$450 is the lower end up to around $1500 give or take for some of the more expensive ones.
Like others above have said, it depends on:

Material (aluminum, Ti, steel, etc)
Mounting system (quick detach or direct thread)
Mounting options, muzzle devices included, adapters, end caps, etc.
Some are multi caliber with many adapters offered to be used on multiple host firearms

anywhere you live that allows suppressors you have to pay a $200 tax stamp regardless.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Well, i just asking typical price of the supressors.
Here in Europe, it is very simple way to say the price.
Is it made of alloy or steel, is it for hunting or military.
There are no spesifitation like you just gave me.
Alloy or steel, hunting or military.
What is tubeless or tubed, im not that familiar all the names of the technical systems.
Like here in Finland, there is no dissemble supresors on sale, they are all welded or put to gether so, that you are not able to wind it up.
Cleaning is meant to be do with the ultra sonic cleaner.
In the EU area there are few big names in the supressors.
Here are few of the links.
http://stalonsilencer.com/silencers
https://hausken.no/en/
http://www.a-tec.no/
http://nielsengunparts.com/en/products/sonic-45/
http://jaki.fi/
http://www.jahtivaruste.fi/en/
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/
http://www.aseutra.fi/index-en

It would be interesting to see a performance comparison between EU vs USA

 

[Jefe's Dope]

What does cost center fire rifle supressors in the USA?
And how many states you can owns a supressor, with out been having pay extra cost of having the supressor?

Like anything, they will range from inexpensive to extremely expensive. The Federal government collects a $200 fee in the form of a stamp. You have to buy 1 stamp for every suppressor you purchase.

I don't believe any States charge a fee. Some States allow the possession of a supressor while other States do not. It's State by State.

 

[flyer]

In states that allow suppressors, it's still an NFA item which makes it illegal to own without a tax stamp and when you die, your heirs will get a suppressor that is now illegal because the transfer happened without the NFA tax paid.

To avoid that some people use a legal device called an NFA trust so the trust owns the suppressor and the trustees can use and possess it. Adding and removing trustees does not require a tax so it helps to keep things legal but it makes lawyers involved and that's not free.

So $200 tax stamp for each suppressor, usually an NFA trust that runs in the hundreds to thousands of dollars, the cost of the suppressor and a wait for the ATF to process your paperwork that can take up to a year...

 

[viking78]

It would be interesting to see a performance comparison between EU vs USA

That´s true.
But there is some data on the manufacturer sites, how many DB different cans do reduce the noice.
BUT the biggest issue is, that those measures are not taken with same db meter, and those have very big different, how accurate the measures are.
This Brüel & Kjær PULSE is one of the best measuring meters there is in the world
https://www.bksv.com/en/News/PULSE-21-Launch
If Hilary would be selected to be president of USA, i bet that no one would have even been dreaming of having supressors in states
Also size is not always the key on the supressors, like this big New Zealand supressor test, the smallest Ase Utra Sl5i supressor came to second place on the test.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

I would love to read that article! What are the popular materials used in suppressors? Titanium stainless steel inconel

 

[WYO09]

Anyone know why the European suppressors mount over the barrel? Just looking at some of those websites it appears they are all made from aluminum and a good portion of the barrel is inside the tube of the suppressor. I get it shortens up the length but how is performance affected if any?

 

[viking78]

I would love to read that article! What are the popular materials used in suppressors? Titanium stainless steel inconel

Me too.
You can read it on digital version.
https://www.rodandrifle.co.nz/store/p4/Suppressor_test

 

[viking78]

Anyone know why the European suppressors mount over the barrel? Just looking at some of those websites it appears they are all made from aluminum and a good portion of the barrel is inside the tube of the suppressor. I get it shortens up the length but how is performance affected if any?

Do you mean telescopic supressor, what goes over the barrel and some way on front the barrel?
A-tec from Norway does telescopic supressors, made with alloy and stainless interior parts, may not be very long life, but last for few years, also depend on the amount of shots, those are not mented to shoot like 5-10 round at once, they get too hot.
Ase Utra SL5i is only 4" long, i have it one my CTR 260REM.
Really love that small size and it is light, weight´s only 350g.
Here the first 5-shots was shoot with Ase Utra SL5i and the last 5-shot´s with Ase Utra SL7i.


SL5i made of stainless steel, cost about 300€ in Finland.
Sl7i made also stainless steel cost about 380€.
And now i got new Ase Utra Jet-Z supressor, that is also about 380€.
Ase Utra is very popular civil and military supressor in Europe, made in Finland.
http://www.aseutra.fi/index-en
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-...Ase_Utra_fast_attaching_sound_suppressors.pdf

 

[Bender]

Why can’t you take them apart? Legally speaking?

I have a Lane Scorpion King. It’s made to take apart for cleaning.

 

[GBMaryland]

I have a YHM in 338for my TRG-42, and it works like a champ.

I was able to pick up a number of extra supressors at a discounted dealers cost about 6 months ago, as the manufacturer was over stocked. ($400.00 each, YHM 30 cal Phantom)

 

[Ep1985]

What does cost center fire rifle supressors in the USA?
And how many states you can owns a supressor, with out been having pay extra cost of having the supressor?

do you have to do some kind of tax stamp and have a months long wait to get yours also or can you just go in the store and pay and go?

 

[Strykervet]

What does cost center fire rifle supressors in the USA?
And how many states you can owns a supressor, with out been having pay extra cost of having the supressor?

I think 42 states allow suppressors. I could be wrong, it changes from time to time (WA just legalized them a few years back). Suppressors are more popular and gaining more popularity as they are shedding their Hollywood image, while at the same time noise pollution is becoming a bigger and bigger problem at some US ranges where there are neighborhoods nearby.

A rifle can goes for ~$1000 but the 90% range is more like $500-$1500 with a few outliers costing more or less. This isn't considering .338 cans and above, those are "premium" cans and generally cost more all around. You can find 'em cheaper and more expensive but that's about what you should expect to pay. If you get a good deal, that may include the $200 tax and $100 dealer/transfer fee but usually you'll need to add that, plus state tax if applicable.

In general, US cans are better than European cans due to the hassle we have to go through. In France, you can get suppressors in blister packs for a few bucks at the gun shop and they're disposable. We don't have those. I only know one guy that builds new cans with wipes. Materials, engineering, etc. are all generally top notch, again, due to the hassle and due to the fact that when you buy one, it's considered to be a lifetime purchase, it should outlive you unless you really beat the shit out of it. This is also why they cost what they do.

do you have to do some kind of tax stamp and have a months long wait to get yours also or can you just go in the store and pay and go?

Yeah, it's a tax stamp and it can take from 4 months to two years to get one back, depending on several factors. Longest I've waited was over 18 months (20 or 22 IIRC) when 41F first went into effect. I understand it's back down to x months. Four months is what it was down to before 41F (which was a new law that has to do with how you can purchase NFA items using a trust; made it more of a hassle so people panic bought years worth of cans all at once). Now that it's over and settled down, I suspect times will get back to normal. But yeah, it sits at the dealer until that form comes back from ATF.

You do have to fill out forms, send one to local police, send others to ATF, get fingerprints and pictures and send 'em a money order and this has to be done for every single item. In the US, there's this thing where they try to address problems with heavy bureaucracy and when it fails, which it always does, the only answer is more bureaucracy, and when that ultimately fails too, the only answer then is an all out ban.

I purchase shit well in advance and I'm an army vet and VA patient so I'm a little better at ridiculously long waits than others, but still it sucks. A lot of us feel suppressors shouldn't be regulated at all or else be sold like rifles or pistols or whatever, simply as a hearing protection device.

 

[viking78]

Why can’t you take them apart? Legally speaking?

I have a Lane Scorpion King. It’s made to take apart for cleaning.

There are few good points of supressor what you can take a part, and there are also few bad things about that.
It will cost more money to make a supressor that can be taken to a part, more machining, and some thimes if you are not cleaning that kind of supressor enough often, it will be permanently closed when the remnant of burning gun powder become stuck in side the supressor.
Also it will need to have special tools to have it open.
And when you do open it several times, if it alloy, the threads will come loose, and the very big pressure inside the supressor might just
blown out of the slit of the joint of the supressor.
And one thing what will be wear out in the end are the supressor baffles, so i would not want to pay +1000$ for supressor, what is not lasting forever.
For sure there are amazing supressor with big price tag, but not all of us can worth of money to buy them.

Some supressors wear out faster than other, it depend the material on the baffles and the main tube material, and how many shots you shoot thru of it and how quick you do it.
Alloy is the one what run out fastest, but it is cheapest.
On a hunting purpose, that might last decades, but in the range shooting, it might be shoot out in one year.
Ultrasonic cleaner is good way to clean supressor what is welded, and can not been taking apart, but if it is alloy, be aware that anodizing, too
strong liquid will ruin the surface, and too mild wont do nothing.

 

[viking78]

Here are the 3 supressors that i use now, and i dont think that im going to change the brand.
Ase Utra is doing everything that i need from supressor.
I also really much like Cole-Tac supressor cover, like you may see

 

[RegularGuy461969]

I have an AWC THOR PSR .308, a SureFire SOCOM556 SB2 and a SureFire SOCOM762 RC2 in jail. The AWC is fantasticly quiet especially with AWC subsonic ammo in my Surgeon CSR. The SF SB2 is a dream to shoot on my HK 556/415 10.4” SBR. I can’t wait to shoot the 762 RC2 on my 12” HK762 12” Assaulter, hopefully in a few more months.

Maintenance is easy peazy.

 

[viking78]

How many you guys reload subsonic ammo for your guns?

 

[RegularGuy461969]

I don’t reload. But I don’t don’t shoot enough that it’s that big of a deal.

 

[Cardinal]

A bit late perhaps, but just to add a bit more.
Suppressors in Norway are bought mainly for hunting and some target shooting using bolt action rifles. They are extremely common. I asked one of our bigger dealers/importers about how many of the first-time gun purchasers also bought a suppressor with their first gun. He estimated over 90%....

Most are telescopic and mainly aluminum (with some other metals in other parts). Telescopic to reduce added length and aluminum to keep weight down. Most new suppressors used for hunting weigh less than 14 ozs and some down to 10-12. Some might buy one suppressor for hunting and another, bigger and heavier for target shooting, but most just use the standard one. They seem to last just fine for the use they see here, ie hunting and target shooting (slow fire and more PRS style). Also customer service is usually great.
A few brands made by titanium are available.
Typical price is around $250-500. High end are a QD Ti and suppressors from B&T which are around 1000-1250.
No restrictions on buying or using them. A 10 year old kid can walk into a gunstore and buy one as a birthday present for his dad...

 

[Strykervet]

A bit late perhaps, but just to add a bit more.
Suppressors in Norway are bought mainly for hunting and some target shooting using bolt action rifles. They are extremely common. I asked one of our bigger dealers/importers about how many of the first-time gun purchasers also bought a suppressor with their first gun. He estimated over 90%....

Most are telescopic and mainly aluminum (with some other metals in other parts). Telescopic to reduce added length and aluminum to keep weight down. Most new suppressors used for hunting weigh less than 14 ozs and some down to 10-12. Some might buy one suppressor for hunting and another, bigger and heavier for target shooting, but most just use the standard one. They seem to last just fine for the use they see here, ie hunting and target shooting (slow fire and more PRS style). Also customer service is usually great.
A few brands made by titanium are available.
Typical price is around $250-500. High end are a QD Ti and suppressors from B&T which are around 1000-1250.
No restrictions on buying or using them. A 10 year old kid can walk into a gunstore and buy one as a birthday present for his dad...

Yeah, it's the fact they're so heavily regulated here as to why they're so well made. I've heard of a guy shooting with a French guy in France and he messed up the guy's can, he said "oh, it's just $20 cheapo" and threw it away. Said they come in bubble packs at the store! Said suppressors there are cheap, not as effective and you're expected to use one. Never heard of a telescoping suppressor, we don't have those I guess, and typical construction is 316SS or better; I have some made of Inconel, one made of Stellite (which is what they line M2HB barrels with) and some made of high quality Ti with just perfect welds. Aluminum isn't commonly used for suppressors in the US due to it not holding up as well as Ti, but a few use it for certain ultralight models. A suppressor is a quality item meant to last a lifetime, like a nice rifle perhaps, and most are overbuilt to some degree. I wish they were more simple to get but I wouldn't want to see quality go down as a result and that's been my experience when things like this occur.

Sico and TBAC are probably the two big dogs around here and their cans are some of the best made. Elite Iron makes great cans from 316SS and they weigh a bit more but cost a lot less. Excellent for .338 and .50 cans. If you have a KAC rifle then you probably have a KAC can and those are damn nice too. Then I'm sure others have their favorites.

AAC is an example of a company that failed. They made GREAT suppressors! But they made this shitty 51T mount that had ratchet teeth and the can wiggles on the mount. If you polish the face of a mount close to fitting tight, you can make 'em work. You can also buy several mounts and keep the ones that fit your can and send the rest back, but bottom line is it's all a pain in the ass and on top of that, poor CS. But they do make a nice can that works, gotta admit that.

To compare to B&T, I guess I'd say B&T would probably be comparable or competitive to most US mfg.'s, to all but the higher end stuff, but some is like comparing apples and oranges. TBAC is primarily a titanium suppressor maker and they are peerless when it comes to Ti. Sico is known for innovation in the field and make some amazing suppressors, including the Saker which is made of Stellite. KAC makes a few very nice cans with only their rifles in mind doing it. Liberty makes some of the best .22 stuff there is and also make several nice cans for budget minded shooters or hunters. They make a lightweight monocore design which is practically foolproof. And the list goes on.

 

[LunaCustomGuns]

In some countries suppressors are mandatory depending on the range facility in order to preserve peace for surrounding residents.