What's the word on this thing? I realize the senate don't have the votes to ratify, but..... I would rather be proactive and buy what I need now rather than be the guy on the reloader forum who is asking "hey, where's the varget"? Is it imports only? Most all powder comes to mind, AI stuff, Lapua, Norma, Taco Bell, and many others? Seriously though. What's the word on the street?
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U N arms treaty?
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Didn't hear many details, other than the U.S. is the largest arms dealer worldwide. We're Number One! We're Number One! So I guess this is yet another way to injure our economy.
Oh, and Kerry claims it won't affect U.S. citizens. :-/
Oh, and Kerry claims it won't affect U.S. citizens. :-/
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U.S. being the largest arms dealer is misleading to say the very least. Are they talking total $$$ in sales, fighter jets cost a pile of cash. But if they are talking small arms and ammo for small arms-we are nowhere near #1. Sales of land mines, nope we still aint #1, RPG's we still haven't gotten there, chemical weapons? Nope. We are not even the largest producer of Arty, and the list goes on and on.
If you actually read the text of the treaty you'll see that its intent is to clamp down on illegal arms sales, especially to conflict zones, not some nefarious plot to take away our guns. Right in the Preamble it recognizes legitimate arms sales, the sovereign right of countries to regulate arms within their borders however they want and doesn't say anything about UN troops kicking in your door and taking your guns. Tone down the emotion and turn up the rational thinking. Talk radio will eat your brain.
Well, I'm just a dumb hick but why should I stop some one else from getting guns? I mean the world is a dangerous place! I see people all over the world with MP5s and G3 and AKs of various types. I guess what I'm getting at is, why should we stick our noses into some ones business? There are a lot of guns out in the world I could buy on the black market in various nations that I wish I could have in the US. People in many of these counties keeps guns there government says is illegal do to the prospect of war and the need to defend themselves against crime and gov oppression....
Meh. Nothing will come of this garbage.
It's alot of Rule #1 to being a politician; just make it appear you are doing something.
It's alot of Rule #1 to being a politician; just make it appear you are doing something.
Yeah right they will put into treaty 2ndA nullification and "we will screw your wife clause on mondays"... As if last 30 years meant nothing and some of you haven't learned a thing. Step by step agreement after agreement, degree after degree = cooked frog. Now the spotlight is on this agreement and in a few months/years when amendment to an agreement will be made and how many people will notice that? About zero would be correct answer.
Illegal gun sales are ALREADY illegal (hence the word ILLEGAL) and what this treaty does is sets infrastructure and methods to track stuff globally and if need be to be used as a basis for other nefarious reasons. Check your local laws like Patriot Act and other executive rights they can be effective tool for taking out bad guys but with bonus option of very loose definition of what a "bad guy" is or better yet it's up to the masters to decide and not Rule of Law - sounds great doesn't it.
This whole UN business stinks to high heavens and i'm really sorry for people who are unable to see that (for those deliberately not seeing it a big - fuck you and may you get what you deserve).
Illegal gun sales are ALREADY illegal (hence the word ILLEGAL) and what this treaty does is sets infrastructure and methods to track stuff globally and if need be to be used as a basis for other nefarious reasons. Check your local laws like Patriot Act and other executive rights they can be effective tool for taking out bad guys but with bonus option of very loose definition of what a "bad guy" is or better yet it's up to the masters to decide and not Rule of Law - sounds great doesn't it.
This whole UN business stinks to high heavens and i'm really sorry for people who are unable to see that (for those deliberately not seeing it a big - fuck you and may you get what you deserve).
I completely agree with what u said^. We supply arms to Syrian rebels, terrorists as I see them, but the govt needs to regulate us more? Nothing to see here though. The same idiots that say ahh no biggy are the ones on forums wondering where ammo is. When will enough of us have enough.
Double standards plus the notion the government considers itself above the people and law.
Sharac has it right. They know that can't outright ban weapons so they continue to whittle away until nothing is left. I have many friends in law enforcement and everyone of them says they want confiscation. Achieving that is a different matter but here in CA they are already taking funds from the DROS registrations for this purpose starting with those on probation/parole. Just think about the global registration. Why does some foreign country need to know who and what weapons we have as individuals in this country? THEY DON'T ! If they enforced the existing laws and took care of mental health many of these shootings could be avoided. Think about this, they want to disarm us to the point we will be unable to protect ourselves yet the security officers in banks will still be armed. Why are they armed? Well it's certainly no to protect the bank patrons, THEY ARE ARMED TO PROTECT THE MONEY.
It's silly, just like any other gun control, it would only effect good guys, bad guys will still sell weapons, bad guys will still have weapons. It will cost a lot of money, guess who will get to pay the biggest share?????
You can bet Iran and N. Korea will abide by the treaty just like Chicago street gangs abide by Chicago's gun laws.
I know the senate wont ratify it, so its a moot point.
You can bet Iran and N. Korea will abide by the treaty just like Chicago street gangs abide by Chicago's gun laws.
I know the senate wont ratify it, so its a moot point.
ah now that is the true crux isn't it? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and all you have to do is change the term and there you have it, sell them arms. One of the hardest things to do right now in Syria is to determine who you can work with. It is funny to see all kinds of kabuki dances that have to be contorted to work with the some of the Syrian opposition. As the U.S. tries to determine "moderate Islamists" in Syria to help train and equip, I have to really contort my face to figure out what a moderate Islamist is and what do they believe in and the majoirty of the time I have to turn my head to make it work. I am not sure how many people remember Afghanistan circa 1979-1989 and our supplying of weapons to the Mujahedeen and how that turned out. Whatever we do in this case has a tendency and historical reference to come back and kick the U.S. in the teeth.
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Like Dogtown I read the treaty. Not to worried about it. An you have to realize the UN's ability to enforce anything. What does bother me is the Twice weekly call from the NRA using the UN treaty as a scare tactic to generate more contributions. I support the NRA and give what I can. I dug into my savings for the battle on the HILL. I asked the guy on the phone if he owned any guns. No answer. I asked him if he knew what the treaty said ...no answer. I hung up. The NRA will get my usual contribution at the door of all the gun shows I attend.
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I'd like to add, if anyone really thinks that the UN is going to call for sanctions against Commie china, because they are selling missiles, tanks, AKs-what ever. You are living in a dream world. I Seriously doubt, other than a ban on Norico, we wouldn't for one minute in the US (that is our elected experts) embargo goods from China, just because they were selling Silk Worm missiles to someone in the Middle east, or tanks or...... The only people this sort of slime is aimed at is us, free men in a free country, where at least some of our states are still free. The rest don't count-at least at the UN.
While I don't think much will come of this, I do think its probably laying some kind of ground work. The frog analogy is correct. I don't think it's enough this go around to start causing panic buying. If someone's that worried about it, they should just start buying a little at time now instead of panic buying, adding to the chaos and price gouging. I'm not worried about it myself. There is one, very true statement though:
Only tyrants fear armed citizens
Be vigilant guys, but don't freak out.
Only tyrants fear armed citizens
Be vigilant guys, but don't freak out.
Well Department of HS has 1.6 billion... I think the civilian populace should stock at least 10X that amount and follow the example of the Chinese in Korea in November -January of 1950/1951 if DHS decides to get a little carried away and misinterprets the UN Arms treaty.
Politicians are assholes.
That being said, probably just something else to take our minds off Benghazi , IRS auditing tea party members and GOP supporters, NSA keeping tabs on American citizens and Obamacare.
I believe that the Syria issue falls in this same category.
That being said, probably just something else to take our minds off Benghazi , IRS auditing tea party members and GOP supporters, NSA keeping tabs on American citizens and Obamacare.
I believe that the Syria issue falls in this same category.
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I dont like the calls either. All political organizations and charities should be closely monitored that they are honest. I dont give a cent to the NRA (life member) but I give more than I should to the NRA-ILA. If you want to make a difference in sustaining gun culture take a non gun owning friend his wife and kids to the range with the emphasis being safety safety safety.
The problem with type of action (historically speaking) it tends to grow. Akin to the "Camel nose under the tent" action. Taxes are another good example, one established, they don't go away, and almost always seem to grow. I dare day if the Fed govt. places a 5 cent(excise) tax on every pair of shoes sold in the US (to help fund sidewalks), it wouldn't be but a few years before it was $1.00 a pair, and growing. It would also lead to taxes on anything else that ever touched a sidewalk, or could touch a side walk. Maybe even the BATFEA could add another letter: "S", for sidewalks.
Govt's selling arms to one another, or the equipment to mfg arms, is best controlled by trade agreements etc. There are nations (most of them) voting at the UN on things that they don't seem to have any experience with, nor expertise in. We as a country do not seem to back up our bark with enough bites. Example: French made NV equipment to the Taliban, and Iraq insurgents, I don't recall an embargo of French good to the US. Much of the large equipment being used in Iran to mfg atomic weapons is being made in Germany-again no embargo, and as it goes. We don't need a bunch idiots in the UN to tell the US what to do, we need leaders willing to place the US first in their every decision. We can't go to war with everyone, but we can keep them from doing business in the US, that scares them far worse.
Govt's selling arms to one another, or the equipment to mfg arms, is best controlled by trade agreements etc. There are nations (most of them) voting at the UN on things that they don't seem to have any experience with, nor expertise in. We as a country do not seem to back up our bark with enough bites. Example: French made NV equipment to the Taliban, and Iraq insurgents, I don't recall an embargo of French good to the US. Much of the large equipment being used in Iran to mfg atomic weapons is being made in Germany-again no embargo, and as it goes. We don't need a bunch idiots in the UN to tell the US what to do, we need leaders willing to place the US first in their every decision. We can't go to war with everyone, but we can keep them from doing business in the US, that scares them far worse.
Beware threads of a political nature. I'm just not sure how far Lowlight goes with his ban hammer regarding political threads. I'm not keen to find out either.
