Ummm....; I smell smoke...

Greg Langelius *

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No joke. We have wild fires burning within ten miles of our house. Dragoon is just a bit West and North of us. We see smoke rising between us and the Dragoon Mountains/Cochise Stronghold. Dragoon is on the other side of the mountain (Lizard Ridge), with the fires in between. Looking at the Map in the link, Sunsites/Pearce is that legend right and down from the fire perimeter. Search "Cochise County Fires" for up to date info.

Our GO bags are packed.

As of yet, still no warning orders, this is probably going to miss us, but we and friends/neighbors are staying in touch, with some significant anxiety.

If things turn serious, I will post, then run.

Greg
 
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Its been a bunch of years since I stomped around that area, so I Google map'd it, and its much as I remember...not a hell of a lot to burn?
 
This morning, 7:00 AM local. The outlook is still not at an alarm stage, probably won't get there.

A look at the fire map show the fire still contained within the Coronado National Forest. with the closest reported fires about 3-4 miles away; West and North of us. Winds are blowing the smoke well North of us, moving to North and East. Winds are single digit, expected to rise into the teens-twenties this afternoon, with gusts to 40-ish. Local temps predicted to high 90's with single digit humidity, and no rain in sight for the full ten day forecast.

The weather forecast is normal for this time of year. Not optimistic, but the directions still appear to be pushing things North of us. A look West shows much diminished smoke blowing to the Northeast, no smell; last night the smoke was about 5-10 times as broad, blowing right at us, much smell. There are between 5 and 10 reported large wild fires reported in NW and SE Arizona. Yesterday, we had several large aircraft dropping retardant, looked like an L-1011 Tristar and a P2V Neptune. Air assets are being impeded by the presence of illegal drones in the area, with flights being officially grounded when drones are spotted flying in the fire area.. All the news reports stress this and request that drones not be flown near the fires.

I will spend some time moving flammables out of the garage and shop, out to a shed in the back yard. The undergrowth was cut back a week ago, the exterior walls are stucco, and the roof consists of concrete mission tile. We've been doing about as much as we can to reduce our risk.

On the whole, things look positive, but we're not in the clear yet. Monsoon season is predicted to arrive in the next 2 weeks; it's much anticipated.

Greg
 
Maggot;

The Coronado National Forest hugs the Dragoon Mountain sides overlooking our tiny community to the West. When i first saw it, I wondered where the trees were. It consists of a fairly thick growth of Mesquite, spreading for miles. It's all a rich fuel source according to information officer speaking to the News Crews.

Hangin' in...,

Oneshot;

The smoke is pretty much all Mesquite, so it's actually fairly fragrant. It hasn't reached a stage where it more than fragrant yet. With the CHF and COPD, I am on breathing meds (Inhalers, mostly) that help keep the lungs clear, and so far, they are fully adequate. If I develop any respiratory symptoms whatsoever, I'm in the car headed for the Wilcox Hospital, where the first responders took me for my heart attack back in May.. No chances will be take here.

One thing that's interesting is that the fire is driving wildlife out of the hills and into contact with local residents. Credible reports of Mountain Lions, Wildcats, Javelina and such are coming out of the local area. I'm open carrying when I'm outside the house; loading Fed 9mm Hydra-Shoks.

Greg
 
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Not to diminish your situation in any way, but this winter and spring here in Central Florida, not a month went by without at least a couple fires within 10 miles or less of us. It's a real breathing mess, with eye and nose issues on a regular daily basis.

To be fair, fires out in your locale are and can be much more serious and dangerous due to the speed that they can travel and get out of control. So stay vigilant and good luck!
 
Yes, I've been following the fire situation in Florida, with several friends and their families in the Port Orange-Daytona area. Not to minimize your issues; this is the first time I've ever been is a situation where an evacuation had some actual potential. Staying vigilant!

Greg
 
Greg, I commend you on your vigilance. Do continue.

Lash, I hear you on the Florida situation. One of my sister's lives in Naples, and they've had a few fires close to them. The last was within 1.5 miles. Not fun.

Up here in Canuckia, I'm sure ya'll are aware of what happened in Fort Mac Murray Alberta, not too long ago. NO REPEATS!
 
Greg's just teasing us. If that fire gets near his place he'll just whip out his pecker and piss it out. Maggot out.
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At sunset last night, diminished smoke high on the mountains adjacent North from the Cochise Stronghold (which is an especially bare area of steep mountain slope). During the day, the winds had been switching from North to South and it appears the fire was blown back onto itself.

As of Sunup, 5AM this morning, I couldn't see any smoke over the stronghold and an internet search for current reports came up empty. Cautiously breathing a sigh of relief. Looking better by a long shot.

Will continue to keep an eye out, will wait another day or two before breaking down the GO bag. I need to travel to Tucson VA tomorrow for some routine imaging and will pass just North of the active fire zone traveling West On I-10.

Maggot, I am not the Wicked Pissuh...!

Time to shower for Church 6:30AM here.

Greg
 
OK, back from Church, (and Breakfast at TJ's Bar and Grill...), we now have a larger proportion of the nitty and the gritty at our disposal.

I am, for all intents and purposes, a rank neophyte on the subject of Fire Season in Southern Arizona. This is all 'pretty normal'.

The Lizard Fire is currently 5% contained. That's right, I said 5%; and nobody appears to be panicking, (although I'm still probably sitting closest to the nearest door).

There are approximately 1000 nomadic semi-profession and professional brush firefighters (Hot Spot Crews) currently booked into the hotels in the region, with 5 significant fires of note. If it ain't at least 500 acres, it does not appear to be significant. There are no more available hotel rooms anywhere within 100 miles or so (I'm guessing here, but it appears a safe bet). They are all booked in for the next month.

Wow!

But...; if you get evacuated, there are rooms.... Don't ask; I'm just nodding and waiting with 'bated breath for the next sentence...

'Contained' means they are actually trying to eliminate further spread; and they're not. And that's not even a real goal. The actual goals are to A) prevent structures from being consumed, and B) allow the accumulated 'fuel' to be consumed. A lot of that fuel has been accumulating since maybe even all the way back to the 1950's. They call this "a desert" for a reason. That stuff is better off up in smoke. Literally.

I have to tell you, this is all uniquely new to me.

There is a meeting of the Fire District's top brass for the folks of Pearce-Sunsites booked at the Community Center for 4:30PM today. In writing, distributed yesterday. No smoke in sight (unless you count some curling around the Stronghold peaks out West of here about 5 miles at the moment), and I fully expect every last citizen to be there and paying attention.

I think we're in for a thoughtful two weeks to one month ahead of us. Yep, it's just really getting off to a roll...

Welcome to Arizona, Greg...

Our dear and Ultra Liberal friends across the street keep trying to link all this and buzzwords like "Global Warming". Keep tryin, we are all in this burn barrel together, no matter what labels you try and slap onto it...

Greg
 
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Glad to hear it has died down. Do they know the cause of the fire yet?
People are idiots. State norh of you, we had winds 15-50 all weekend and people still tried to have camp fires. 45 human caused wildfires this weekend alone. 6 threatened communities with 2 still in the line of fire today.
Humidity under 10% doesn't help either.
The wind ruined my weekend. Was 30mph + where i went. Was no way I was going to try and light a fire.
 
Latest, no smoke looking West at 5;30 AM, same as the past three days. By afternoon each day, moderate smoke rolling over the ridge from the Dragoon side. Yesterday a plume of smoke made it over to our side of the Stronghold, a helicopter dropped retardant on it.

The meeting... A whole bunch of folks at the Federal, State, County, and Local level explaining what we already knew; if there's an evacuation, Deputies will be knocking on doors. We are at pre-evacuation status; pack bag/s get ready to move if needed. Gonna treat this situation as a sorta-controlled burn ('contained' at 15%), trying to use the opportunity to burn off 70 years worth of accumulated fuel. We hope it works, but these things often don't go as well as expected. Celia and I have to go 75 miles to Tucson today for my VA .appointment.

Elena will hold the fort, and get things ready for hauling the pets. There are a pair of Jack Russel/Chihuahua mix pups (Brother and Sister, Jett and Lita, named by and claimed by Elena), two cats (our older Coppertone, 8 y/o, and Miss Maddie, 8 months; my wife calls her Dementia, and it fits). There is one pet carrier, a big one, but Coppertone and Dementia aren't speaking to each other, and the Cats/Dogs relationship is at the 'premature' stage. Elena makes the daily proclamation each bedtime, "well, nobody died...".

Getting ready for the trip to Tucson...

Life goes on here below the Stronghold...

Greg

PS The cause is definitely determined to be Lightning, and we heard it strike Wednesday afternoon. For current info, search "lizard fire", our primary local TV station is KGUN 9..
 
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Greg,

I had a good view of the fire coming out of the Chiricahua's yesterday afternoon. I was wondering how close it was to your location. Welcome to the fire season in Arizona. When I lived in Tucson we would watch the Rincon's and Catalina's light up every few years or so, now I watch the Santa Rita's. We had a good one a few weeks ago with the Sawmill fire. It started about 8 miles from the house but it pushed away from us. Welcome to the desert where if it doesn't prick you, sting you, or kill you, it's probably not native.

P
 
I would bet that this fire uncovers a wealth of info for some Archeologist. Wish I could walk it.
I look for the knowledge exposed by those ashes blowing.
That is about the only thing good except it can burn out a lot of rubbish.
Any homeless down there?
Regards, FM
Several of the large fires in Colo. the last few years have been started in HoBo camps.
 
As usual, no smoke at sunrise yesterday/Monday. We left for Sunsites for the Tucson VA about 9:30AM and passed Dragoon Road going North on 191 to I-10.There were a few wisps on the North Face of Dragoon pass, then we saw some moderate smoke in Dragoon Pass as we drove West On I-10.

Coming back around 1PM, the fires had picked up and there was a line of hot spots all along the Eastern ridge face from Dragoon Pass to the Stronghold. Lots of red streaks from retardant drops, probably accumulated over the past week, especially in Dragoon pass itself, behind the Stronghold. Several groups of fire emergency vehicles staged along 191 as we headed South on 191 from I-10 to Sunsites, primarily in the Ironwood Road area, facing the Stronghold. They're letting it burn down and watching it closely. Several places are rugged enough that they're not sending in fighters, it's too easy to lose people in some of the steeper places and remote bowl areas. Saw a Chopoer drop retardant just north of the Stronghold Sunday afternoon. Hover..., hover.., drop.., bullseye!

Archeology-wise, Cochise's body is still up there somewhere in the stronghold. This will be first real opportunity to find him since the last burn, all the way back in the 1950's. Personally I'd rather they left him in peace. We've already lost a couple of abandoned ruins, mostly old abandoned mining claims, but habitable structures are getting major safeguarding effort. They saved the Broken Arrow Baptist Bible Camp early last week, low in the face of the Stronghold.

Last night about 10PM, the wind must have switched, because the odor of burning mesquite became pretty noticeable on our street as I was getting ready for bed..I found out yesterday that we had been on the pre-evac list since Saturday,, and that we had been taken off as of yesterday afternoon. I broke down my Go bag and put teh stuff away; it turns out that packing in a semi-panic results in some odd bag contents. I'd do it differently if there's a next time.

Again, this still isn't over.

Greg
 
Update 6:30AM KGUN 9 live update. The Stronghold has had a reinstatement of the hard evacuation order. Residents along the lower mountain must leave while firefighters are working on building preservation. This is all line-of-sight from our driveway.

Greg
 
The area in which you now live is Rich in archaeological sites. Cochise is a proto-historic individual and while still of interest, not on the top line for studies that need done there now.
He is of most interest to Native people of the area, tourists and new comers. In short, he is not old enough. Start thinking of thousands of years ago.
In 2000 there was a big fire that burned about 21,000 acres of Mesa Verde and about 8000 acres of land around it.
That fire was so hot that it caused a lot of spall off of a lot of old rock art but revealed a lot of unknown sites too. You have to look for the silver lining in an otherwise disastrous event.
I was fortunately selected to go do site surveys after that fire and GPS,d and plotted on maps all that I found in that blackened waste land. One of the hottest, dirtiest jobs I have ever done but one of the most rewarding too.
My advice on the weather watchers classes stands. Usually taught through the local Fire Dept. and you will learn all about it as well as meet the local people that handle situations like that.
Keep an open mind and realize that weather patterns where you are now are much different than New York.
I think that is sage advice for anyone that has moved from one area of the country to another. What do you look out for to keep on keeping on.
Regards, Foul Mike
 
One of our local treasures is the Amerind Museum, on Dragoon Road, on the other side of the fire. I suspect the firefighter teams are keeping a close eye on it.

More recent history puts the influx of Europeans going first to Tombstone, then here to Pearce once the mines in Tombstone got flooded out. The native Americans had found the means to survive off the land here for thousands of years before Columbus brought his European ways to this continent.

My walking stick is made from a Yucca pole. Looking up at the Stronghold today, the view is changed. There are white ash streaks where the underbrush was, and some red streaks from the airborne retardant.

Greg
 
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Archeology-wise, Cochise's body is still up there somewhere in the stronghold. This will be first real opportunity to find him since the last burn, all the way back in the 1950's. Personally I'd rather they left him in peace.

Greg

nope, we need to dissect him, to find out what he ate for breakfast the day he died. Spend millions on important scientific stuff like that and all.
 
Sir

I would still have the go-bag packed and the vehicle topped with fuel. Wind shifts and relative humidity dropping can be all it takes for fire conditions to go from meh to HOLY SH*T.

I'm kind of hoping they call for a handcrew here from home and I get to come out and work. All this rain here has shut down our fire season and I want to work
 
Over the past five days, the fire has continued to burn, although it is pretty effectively contained. The fire teams have been going into the secluded holdings at the base of the Stronghold, clearing out accumulated dry plant litter, setting up water pumpkins (big orange bags with upwards of 500 gallons of water) plumbed to gas powered pumps and arrays of sprays covering structures, etc. They are set up for the last guy out to start up the pumps and run.

I haven't been reporting because things have settled down into a steady state of them watching the fire and knocking it down when it gets excessive. We regained access to Dragoon road on Wednesday. It passes up through the center of the affected pass, and is our preferred route to I-10 when traveling West to Benson, Sierra Vista, and Tucson. It gives access to views of bared and blackened slopes, vast swaths of red air delivered fire retardant, and many properties demarked with 'for sale by owner' signs. There are rock formations that have probably not been seen except for up close for the past fifty to seventy years. There's also a lot of ask blowing around. When teh Monsoon rains finally come in the next week or two, the fires will finally end, and there will be a booming bloom of green growth.

But those 'for sale' folks have had enough, and they want out.

I'm not in the threatened zone, and I'm not going anywhere. As for staying packed and standing by, life goes on, and has already been derailed for far longer than is reasonable. As for the humidity, it's normal for the fire season, hovering at around betwen 2% and 5%. That's why the silence for five days; we had to get caught back up. Last time we packed, we got nearly everything wrong. Now, there's very little left to burn, and I think the folks who want out have a right, but it's more a matter of them closing the barn door after the horse is already gone. Either way, I wish them good luck, and am thinking that maybe they didn't have the constitution and/or motivations to live out here in the first place. Fair weather friends, maybe.

There's a lot of folks who see this place as quaint and charming, and maybe should be turned into something more like where they came from. I may have been one myself but I'm not one now. I left that kind of situation for this one, a better one; and I'm not in any mood for silly hugger bugger propositions. If they want a place like where they came from, better they return. This place is breathtaking, but it's also harsh and demanding. When things are good, they're great. When they're not so good, a lot of folks are tending to break and run. I won't be the last one out, but I also won't be that far ahead of them, either.

Anyhoo, we're still here, not going anywhere, and the fire still simmers on. Our home is roofed with concrete mission tile and the outside is stucco. Not fireproof, but fairly resistant. I didn't have fire season in mind when I agreed to buy it, but there's always been that slight trace of prepper in me, at least enough so that I'm not aiming to live in a firetrap in the middle of the desert. There are enough concerns about a desert lifestyle without throwing in an unhealthy helping of carelessness.

Greg
 
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