**Update Post 40** Have a bad cheek weld, or mount scope on rail?? Which is worse.

[CK_32]

Final part for my LR308 build.... Scope mount...


I have a little bit of a dilemma, big one actually. So I have to either choose, a good cheek weld, or bad eye relief
or run my optic mount on my non monolithic rail..... :facepalm:


I've decided on a ADM mount. Only because they are the only company with a scope mount option of a 30mm
tube diamiter, 20MOA mount and a scope center line option below 1.50".


So the AD-Recon-SL which is 1.110" scope center line.

Pros: Perfect cheek weld, Low scope profile

Cons: No scope off set so eye relief will be tight, or I will have to mount .600 of mount on my free float
non monolithic rail.

Scope clearance, mount will be 2 teeth onto rail to keep eye relief.

Or the

So the AD-Recon-SW which is 1.470" scope center line.

Pros: .600 offset to allow more eye relief and be on the receiver not the rail

Cons: Huge scope height and horrid cheek weld.


Reason I need a 1 piece mount is for the 20MOA base. Or else I would go standard rings.

 

[HOGTOOTH5R]

ADM + MAGPUL PRS = Problem Solved.

 

[2zero9]

ADM + MAGPUL PRS = Problem Solved.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[CK_32]

ADM + MAGPUL PRS = Problem Solved.

I don't like the PRS. Way too heavy and bulky for my use. Or else I would have. Not a bench rifle, this will be a local comp gun so it will need t be semi mobile also will be shot off hand often.

 

[Black max]

Have you tried a stock pack on it? If the comb still isn't high enough cut a piece of foam rubber and put under the pack.

 

[redirt78]

Magpul CTR and the Battleline Industries SAPR. You can run the SAPR on an LMT sopmod also but it's slightly heavier. The gen 2 SAPR is slightly lighter than the gen 1 also. It has an adjustable cheek weld that pivots out of the way to run the charging handle. Been thinking about going to it. I had the PRS on my POF and took it off, too heavy for how I want to use the gun. Lowlight has a video running it on a 308 AR somewhere on here. I might have seen it in the paid online training, can't remember.

I wouldn't recommend bridging the gap between the upper and rail.

 

[HOGTOOTH5R]

QUOTE=CK_32;2920569]I don't like the PRS. Way too heavy and bulky for my use. Or else I would have. Not a bench rifle, this will be a local comp gun so it will need t be semi mobile also will be shot off hand often.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case you can also try the Magpul CTR with the Large Tactical RISR. This was the solution Larue Tactical came up with because their OBRs has a built in cant onto their upper receiver rail that also sits a bit high too for a proper cheek well.

Link:

LaRue Tactical RISR? / CTR Combo | LaRue Tactical

 

[CK_32]

If that's the case you can also try the Magpul CTR with the Large Tactical RISR. This was the solution Larue Tactical came up with because their OBRs has a built in cant onto their upper receiver rail that also sits a bit high too for a proper cheek well.

Link:

LaRue Tactical RISR? / CTR Combo | LaRue Tactical

Trying to configure my optic mount around my rifle, not my rifle around my optic mount. I just thought there would be a simpler solution but I guess not. Why dont more companies run more lower mounts to solve this? The ratio of NV shooters which is the reason for 1.5" is way under standard shooting. Shocking no company has figured this out and blown this market open by now.

Also why I dont want the CTR is I have one on my AR15 and the LOP is too short for me and where my cheek rest is is actually on the buffer tube. Im a long lanky guy with a long neck and arms.

 

[Black max]

Magpul CTR and the Battleline Industries SAPR. You can run the SAPR on an LMT sopmod also but it's slightly heavier. The gen 2 SAPR is slightly lighter than the gen 1 also. It has an adjustable cheek weld that pivots out of the way to run the charging handle. Been thinking about going to it. I had the PRS on my POF and took it off, too heavy for how I want to use the gun. Lowlight has a video running it on a 308 AR somewhere on here. I might have seen it in the paid online training, can't remember.

I wouldn't recommend bridging the gap between the upper and rail.

+1 on not bridging the gap!!! I wasn't impressed with my battline SAPR, it really extends the LOP and doesn't really lock up very tight... I sold it and went with a PRS. Stock pack and foam rubber is definitely the cheapest and easiest way to go.

 

[Pat M]

20 moa Badger and whatever rings

 

[tomcfc11]

I like the badger riser with rings of your choice. Bonus is that you can move the scope around to other rifles (ie bolt guns)

 

[ORD]

First off...don't even THINK about cross-mounting between your receiver rail and your handguard rail with that much of a difference in height between the two (or ANYTIME unless it is a true, monolithic rail). It is a surefire recipe for disaster and not one you want to even approach.

Second...if you REALLY have to have the eyepiece of your scope that low to the receiver to get an "optimum" sight picture or "perfect cheek weld," then you've got FAR bigger problems shooting your average AR (whether small or large-frame AR)!!

Look, there are other mount options that you aren't considering, including the AADMOUNT (pronounced "oddmount") which is a 30mm, 20MOA, 1.45" from rail to centerline (see here: AADMOUNT 20 MOA PRECISION AR SCOPE MOUNT ); and the NF Unimounts and extended unimounts in 30mm, 20MOA, 1.375" (A191, A192 and A190 which is a lower, 1.125" version) just to name a few. There are also other solutions like an offset/cantilever riser like the Badger 22MOA, YHM 20MOA, WOA 20MOA, etc. that will allow you to use standard rings in whatever height necessary to get you where you want/need to be in terms of the optimum height. Deal with the eye relief issue with your mount as you don't have any other options in that regard. Get a proper offset/cantilever to get the eyepiece out to where it needs for you to get a consistent position on the rifle with the proper eye relief you need to achieve. As for the height...I still say if you have to have a scope on an AR THAT LOW that you aren't doing something right or you have the oddest body habitus known to man that you can't get a solid, consistent purchase on the rifle with a higher mount. That said, the DIY route with a mousepaid and some tape will work, some companies make a "stick on" type cheek riser that will buy you a little more height without getting you into trouble with your CH, as will SOME stock packs if you can get them mounted rearward enough on the buttstock so as not to interfere with the CH operation. It all comes down to what you really want as to which option will best foot the bill.

Good luck!

 

[CK_32]

If I run the 20MOA rail with low rings I'm still at about 1.5" center line and back to square 1.


Black and Hog I'm with both of you. HOG I feel your dislike on the PRS, Black I feel your dislike on the CTR with riser. At least on the LR308, I love my CTR on my 5.56 mid-length patrol style rifle but its not for made precision.

 

[ORD]

If I run the 20MOA rail with low rings I'm still at about 1.5" center line and back to square 1.

I think your math is fuzzy here.

The Badger 22MOA is 0.43" high. You can get a set of Seekins low (lowest 30mm in the industry as far as I know) at 0.82" which puts you at 1.25". Just one example. I realize that isn't "perfect" but 1/4" or more of height savings when you are in the position you find yourself in is a good deal of savings.

 

[Black max]

Like ord said there are plenty of other options than you listed in the op. On my noveske barreled 6.5cm Ar10 I'm running a egw 20moa riser with NF medium rings and PRS, works beautifully!

 

[CK_32]

Great post ORD, but I don't get your logic on my scope height issue. For 1 it's always best to have the scope mounted as close to the bore as possible, second the only reason scopes are mounted high is for NV optic use and BUIS to fit under neith, and for cheek weld should be a natural position and like in MagPul Dynamics best explained as closing your eyes and taking a nap on your stock and when you open your eyes you should be perfectly level with the scope cross hairs. Why taking a nap because taking a nap is because your neck and muscles are at rest, in all other positions you are using muscle to adjust to the scope again not proper you should have the scope set for you and be in a natural position when shooting, same as using the skeletle structure when off hand shooting for a more extreme example. And it's not too odd being most common stocks are set below the CH which is well below the rail reason for such a low needed optic. Again the only reason for high mounted scopes is for military and their NV scope use and BUIS, which this is a LR comp rifle and not a "SHTF" fantasy rifle where BUIS is needed but yet never used but it looks awesome and cooler on forum pics. Where if my optic ever does to down I can and will calmly walk to my truck and replace that optic or switch rifles and repair my downed rifle/optic at a later date.

 

[CK_32]

I think your math is fuzzy here.

The Badger 22MOA is 0.43" high. You can get a set of Seekins low (lowest 30mm in the industry as far as I know) at 0.82" which puts you at 1.25". Just one example. I realize that isn't "perfect" but 1/4" or more of height savings when you are in the position you find yourself in is a good deal of savings.

Yea after looking to confirm I noticed my math off memory of the rail and rings was off. But still I'm just baffled that this is such a task with how many Ar shooters there are that almost ALL 1 price optics almost force you to run a PRS.. Find that kinda funky.

 

[CK_32]

And before anyone takes offense I'm not trying to argue or offend anyone I'm just not looking to reconfigure half my rifle to run this dam optic. To me that's like needing snow tires then being recommended just going out and buying a jeep instead cause it's more suited and made for it than just finding a simple snow tire for a standard passenger car.


Again I appreciate the responses, help and recommendations I'm just trying to make sure my responses are not being taken the wrong way because I'm in a way refusing to reconfigure my rifle to fit the optic. Which again is a** backwards to me.

 

[ORD]

But still I'm just baffled that this is such a task with how many Ar shooters there are that almost ALL 1 price optics almost force you to run a PRS.. Find that kinda funky.

Magpul and AR mount mfgs are in league to monopolize the market and sell more of their respective $#!T to the unwashed masses (and the mall ninjas with their BUIS and cheap@$$ Gen I NVDs)!!! No offense taken or otherwise assumed. Its all good, brother.

As for mount heights...I tend to agree that the ~1.5" mounts can be absurdly high for many setups and I don't personally run them as a rule (although I do LOVE the AADMOUNTs which are the finest in the industry short of moving into the Spuhr class/pricerange), but getting just a little lower (like around the 1.25" or so range) actually serves me well with no issues re: straining to get positioned on the rifle properly or otherwise needing addt'l comb height like from the PRS or otherwise. All shooters are different and what works for one will be awful for another. Thus...like I said above...best to just find what works for you in terms of a mounting solution and stick to it whether that's a 1pc mount with some cantilever to buy you the extra room you need for eye relief, or a riser/ring combo. You can't "fudge" the eye relief with padding/cheek risers/etc., so that's why I said deal with the first with the mounting solution and figure out the height/cheek weld issue afterward if you can't get a mounting solution that will work for BOTH.

 

[Mike_in_FL]

The only thing I can add to what has been said is that I have experienced mirage from my barrel getting hot. That's not an issue if your scope is mounted a little higher I would tend to believe. Although I had a military sniper telling me I was an idiot for suggesting such a thing can exist. I think you need to find a happen medium of mount and/or rings and a different stock with some kind of riser. I run an UBR on an AR10 with the Badger 22 and Seekins rings, very happy with it.

 

[CK_32]

Magpul and AR mount mfgs are in league to monopolize the market and sell more of their respective $#!T to the unwashed masses (and the mall ninjas with their BUIS and cheap@$$ Gen I NVDs)!!! No offense taken or otherwise assumed. Its all good, brother.

As for mount heights...I tend to agree that the ~1.5" mounts can be absurdly high for many setups and I don't personally run them as a rule (although I do LOVE the AADMOUNTs which are the finest in the industry short of moving into the Spuhr class/pricerange), but getting just a little lower (like around the 1.25" or so range) actually serves me well with no issues re: straining to get positioned on the rifle properly or otherwise needing addt'l comb height like from the PRS or otherwise. All shooters are different and what works for one will be awful for another. Thus...like I said above...best to just find what works for you in terms of a mounting solution and stick to it whether that's a 1pc mount with some cantilever to buy you the extra room you need for eye relief, or a riser/ring combo. You can't "fudge" the eye relief with padding/cheek risers/etc., so that's why I said deal with the first with the mounting solution and figure out the height/cheek weld issue afterward if you can't get a mounting solution that will work for BOTH.

Yea I think it's starting to sink in and I may just have to just get over the cheek weld and like you stated focus on the mount and make sure it's on there properly first then go from there so I may just go with the 1.47" (ADM RECON) mount with the 2" forward extension to clean the step from reciever to rail. Not much better if at all than the 1.5 really but it's something I guess.

Another reason it blows so bad for me I'm on a high profile(JD Machine) rail so that's a few thou of an inch higher than I wanted to be in the first place over a low reciever rail.

 

[CK_32]

The only thing I can add to what has been said is that I have experienced mirage from my barrel getting hot. That's not an issue if your scope is mounted a little higher I would tend to believe. Although I had a military sniper telling me I was an idiot for suggesting such a thing can exist. I think you need to find a happen medium of mount and/or rings and a different stock with some kind of riser. I run an UBR on an AR10 with the Badger 22 and Seekins rings, very happy with it.

That's where Im looking to go when I get over the M110/MK11 look is the UBR and make the jump to the SPR club but will still have the same cheek height as the A2 just with adjustable LOP. So it wouldn't really hurt or aid me with that.

As for the ring and added rail option it just seems like so much extra crap and at least how I'm picturing it not as clean as I want it to be. But good point on the barrel mirage, I will be shooting this semi rapid in my local comps.


I've just been so spoiled and set on how important a cheek weld is since I upgraded my stock and weld on my 700 and saw how much it helped back and neck fatigue when shooting and easy it was to find the clean reticle.

Bla! I hate making big decisions and important gun purchases! Haha

Again thanks a ton for the input guys. I have a lot to ponder... :/

 

[ORD]

Truthfully...an addt'l 1/4" or so of height over the barrel/bore isn't going to have all that much impact on reducing or inhibiting mirage from causing you problems. Any magnified optic on an AR that gets run hard (such as during comps like what you are talking about) will experience mirage issues in the right conditions. About the only way to deal with that is a mirage band/deflector, dialing down the power on your optic, or let your rifle cool down somewhat before going back at it again. Don't let mirage issues sway your decision one way or another in terms of your mounting solution because its a non-issue in terms of getting the best mount fitment for you/your optic.

 

[CK_32]

The best and only option seems to be the added rail and standard rings. But I really don't want to run that as far as cosmetics to be honest. Just extra parts and mess going on, on top and I've gotten biased to the QD mount so I'd be able to swap it over to my 5.56 ARs if I wanted also an easier option when I clean I like to remove my optics when I clean due to me dropping a rifle and scope off the table before during cleaning and don't like solvents around my optics.

 

[redirt78]

I have also ran my G2DMR on a Badger 22moa rail with Seekins lows on my P308 that has the high rail. It provided a good height for cheek weld. You also wouldn't need to bridge the gap in the rail.

 

[redirt78]

The best and only option seems to be the added rail and standard rings. But I really don't want to run that as far as cosmetics to be honest. Just extra parts and mess going on, on top and I've gotten biased to the QD mount so I'd be able to swap it over to my 5.56 ARs if I wanted also an easier option when I clean I like to remove my optics when I clean due to me dropping a rifle and scope off the table before during cleaning and don't like solvents around my optics.

Yeah, no one makes a super low, quick detach, return to absolute zero, forward offset scope mount that works with a normal stock unless GDI makes one like I mentioned at the top of the post. I'm not sure what the lowest height they make is, I haven't talked myself into a $400 to $550 scope mount so I don't sweat what heights they offer. Bobro has a good return to zero reputation but I don't think any of theirs are very low.


I've been in the same situation and I've tried a lot of options. I finally gave up on thinking I would use one scope on multiple rifles. I don't like the weight, bulk/size of the PRS so when I set the gun up for precision I go with the Badger 22moa raiser and Seekins lows. I wanted to try the SAPR which adds some LOP to the LMT and CTR, I had never heard that it doesn't lock up tight until someone mentioned it in this thread.

 

[CK_32]

I have also ran my G2DMR on a Badger 22moa rail with Seekins lows on my P308 that has the high rail. It provided a good height for cheek weld. You also wouldn't need to bridge the gap in the rail.

You have pics?

 

[redirt78]

I sold that scope to fund the newer ERS G2 and have my 1-6 on it now in a ADM mount. I don't have any pictures from when it was like that, sorry.

 

[hamstur]

You have pics?

Heres my POF P308, Badger riser, Seekins 0.92" low with a Hensoldt 3-12.

A2 stock just like yours with a Tac Ops pack get it lined up for great cheek weld.

Not the best pic but enough to get the idea.

As far as cosmetics, doesn't look bad at all to me. I've got each ring mounted 1 slot from each end. You could always take it to the very end and it actually would look like a 1-piece mount.

 

[George63]

simple solution, put both rings behind the turret - burris has adjustable rings to add moa, but personally I would add moa with .10 worth of epoxy

 

[Black max]

simple solution, put both rings behind the turret - burris has adjustable rings to add moa, but personally I would add moa with .10 worth of epoxy

What??? Please explain this to us... Sounds like horrible advice!

 

[tickled pink]

I must be missing something. I guess you need the 20 MOA rail for shooting out to 1,000 yds. Why do you have to have the scope so low that you don't have a correct cheek weld. If you are worried about canting the rifle because the scope would be high above the bore why not put an offset bubble level on your scope. This way you can control the can't and have a correct cheek weld looking through the center of the scope lens. I shoot in competition at 1,000 yds and always use the bubble even with my bolt gun which has a 20 MOA rail and the scope very close to the barrel. The scope is a Vortex PST 6-24x50mm MOA FFP. I shoot a 6mm Norma BR. with 105 VLDs and it needs 108 MOA clicks to get me to the center of the target. Even though I am very close to the bore I still need the offset bubble to keep the reticule vertical.

Here are pictures of my long range hunting rifle and my M4 with a Bushnell AR/223 scope 4.5-18x40mm scope on top. Both have bubbles. The M4 has a B-Square bubble on the rail under the scope just behind the front scope ring. I can watch the bubbles while aiming the scope.

PS: I removed the lower bubble after the picture was taken in picture # 4.

 

[tickled pink]

Just a thought couldn't you go with a zero MOA rail and get a scope with enough vertical adjustment like a NF that has 100 MOA of adjustment? OR if you can not get your scope down enough with 30mm rings you can add an adjustable cheek piece to your stock. I needed one on my DCM when I put a scope on top of the "carry handle".

 

[George63]

What??? Please explain this to us... Sounds like horrible advice!

before you see it in action, that is the common misperception - if it was not such a PITA to post photos I would show several examples of this

 

[CK_32]

Pink I plan on running a scope level on my scope. My concern isn't can't.. We'll it is but the level should help it's shadowing and parallax and inconsistency while shooting. Cheek weld allows you to make sure your in the same point behind the reticle every time. We'll as closed as you can be being it allows you to not use muscle and utilize your facial structure to align you and the reticle at the same point and not what I call float around trying to find where your eye was to the reticle for the last shot. On top of fatigue as the day goes on from floating your head using your neck back and should here muscles to see through your scope.

Which will probably happen since my 600 yard matches are usually around 50 to 70 round matches.

But in short can't isn't my issue it's proper scope and reticle alignment in contrast to the reticle.

 

[LRRPF52]

I agree that most of the mounts for the AR15 market are too high for a natural cheek weld for me, using a standard stock comb height. If I don't care about weight, I have used the PRS, but the more and more I shoot positions, the more I care about weight and balance, which the PRS can actually help with if you have a heavier barrel.

I establish a solid cheek weld, then measure where my eye height is to determine optimal optic height. I was looking at Talley rings at SHOT, and they had a set that matched my criteria perfectly, but being a ring set, there was no MOA cant.

I'm going to get an AAD Mount next I think. I'm currently using LaRue LT-112 on my GAP .260 Rem AR, which has 20 MOA of cant, and is a great mount. I also have some ADM mounts on the other AR15's. There certainly are more options than you can shake a stick at nowadays, and several of them are top-notch products.

CK_32, you're going about this the way I do as far as finding your optimum ergonomic interface WRT optic height and eye relief, with the stock comb as a fixed variable. This becomes even more applicable to those of us that are looking for telescoping stock solutions without turning our telestock into a Swiss Army knife that weighs significantly more.

 

[brianf]

did you take a look at the SPUHR mounts, they are a few bucks but really nice. also has a integral bubble level in the base which was one of the main reasons i picked it up.

tired of going on a plane with my rifle and finding a footprint on my case and my scope, bubble or both off center. then finding a place to square it up again, easy enough to do but i always double guess myself after.

forgot to add, they look the part on AR's

 

[lwrkeysfisher]

I didn't read the entire thread but the NF Unimount 1.375" worked very well for me using a CTR stock. It's a bit too low on my Scar. I think it may strike the balance you are looking for.

 

[Mod Adahy]

Here is with the Badger mount in 34mm, they make 30mm inserts and I use them on the NFs. This is their 20 moa.

 

[CK_32]

I just got off of the phone with ADM about seeing if they would take special orders and maybe have one made and the CS guy actually told me they don't do special orders but liked the idea and their design team was actually looking at and working on a few new mounts. He took the info I was looking for and said he would pass that to his design team and they may look into offering the ADM Recon in the specs I needed or close to it for guys running the high rail and standard stocks.


So since I've been posting his on here and 2 other forums other guys running standard AR configured stocks ie carbine/CTR or A2 style and don't prefer the adjustable cheek risers or PRS type stocks they might be the first to offer a QD Recon 30mm mount running a 2" extension, 20 MOA base at or around 1.25 to 1.30 in the bear future so guys won't HAVE to run the Badger 22MOA rail and seekings low ring set up to get the same scope centerline with a 20moa option and not be on the rail.


So if anyone is interested in that keep an eye out for ADM. I'll be emailing them in about 2 weeks to give them the specs and measurements I was interested in to send to their design team for the possible new mount.

 

[Brasscow]

Dont have time to read the whole tgread, but throwing this out there...

Ultralite Unimount | Nightforce Optics, Inc.

Cantilevered forward and 1.125" to centerline

 

[tickled pink]

Give Evolution Gun Works a call. They have made me special made 40 MOA rail for my bolt gun and a 20 MOA rail for my Browning BAR. Had each in less than 2 weeks.

EGW

https://egwguns.com/wecs.php?store=232536056986&action=display&target=30411


Evolution Gun Works, Inc.
Address: 52 Belmont Ave, Quakertown Pa 18951
Phone: 215-538-1012
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Email: [email protected]
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Wednesday: 9AM-7:30PM

 

[CK_32]

Here is with the Badger mount in 34mm, they make 30mm inserts and I use them on the NFs. This is their 20 moa.

What is your eye relief on that? MY scope has to sit about 1 to 2" forward of the CH to get a good picture. Making the farthest I can set my rings about 1" pas the receiver. Or else I would have just ran Med/Low rings till I could get a 20MOA base.

 

[ORD]

I just got off of the phone with ADM about seeing if they would take special orders and maybe have one made and the CS guy actually told me they don't do special orders but liked the idea and their design team was actually looking at and working on a few new mounts. He took the info I was looking for and said he would pass that to his design team and they may look into offering the ADM Recon in the specs I needed or close to it for guys running the high rail and standard stocks.


So since I've been posting his on here and 2 other forums other guys running standard AR configured stocks ie carbine/CTR or A2 style and don't prefer the adjustable cheek risers or PRS type stocks they might be the first to offer a QD Recon 30mm mount running a 2" extension, 20 MOA base at or around 1.25 to 1.30 in the bear future so guys won't HAVE to run the Badger 22MOA rail and seekings low ring set up to get the same scope centerline with a 20moa option and not be on the rail.


So if anyone is interested in that keep an eye out for ADM. I'll be emailing them in about 2 weeks to give them the specs and measurements I was interested in to send to their design team for the possible new mount.

That's interesting. ADM is certainly one of the better companies in terms of the depth of their product line and adding additional options like what you are talking about sounds like a win for them on many levels as you are clearly not the only shooter asking for lower mounting options or they wouldn't have given you the time of day. Good luck and be sure to post an update once you have any addt'l info.

 

[Mod Adahy]

What is your eye relief on that? MY scope has to sit about 1 to 2" forward of the CH to get a good picture. Making the farthest I can set my rings about 1" pas the receiver. Or else I would have just ran Med/Low rings till I could get a 20MOA base.

Eye relief is perfect with the USO. I can run it about 3/4 of an inch forward from where it currently is. Several people have shot this gun and none have complained of eye relief but the eye box is very forgiving with the USO's.

 

[Mod Adahy]

Final part for my LR308 build.... Scope mount...


I have a little bit of a dilemma, big one actually. So I have to either choose, a good cheek weld, or bad eye relief
or run my optic mount on my non monolithic rail..... :facepalm:


I've decided on a ADM mount. Only because they are the only company with a scope mount option of a 30mm
tube diamiter, 20MOA mount and a scope center line option below 1.50".


So the AD-Recon-SL which is 1.110" scope center line.

Pros: Perfect cheek weld, Low scope profile

Cons: No scope off set so eye relief will be tight, or I will have to mount .600 of mount on my free float
non monolithic rail.

Scope clearance, mount will be 2 teeth onto rail to keep eye relief.

Or the

So the AD-Recon-SW which is 1.470" scope center line.

Pros: .600 offset to allow more eye relief and be on the receiver not the rail

Cons: Huge scope height and horrid cheek weld.


Reason I need a 1 piece mount is for the 20MOA base. Or else I would go standard rings.

Make sure you are able to use the ocular to adjust magnification. With it that low your nails will hate you after a while. Also make sure to check cheek weld with the gun offhand or sitting. Prone checkweld is not the same as positional checkweld.

 

[Laseredge]

Also worth considering, Badger Unimount, 20moa, 30mm 1.3" height.

Triad Tactical, Inc.*::*Badger Ordnance*::*Badger Bases*::*Badger 1 Piece Assembly, 20 MOA, 1.30", 30mm

 

[CK_32]

That's interesting. ADM is certainly one of the better companies in terms of the depth of their product line and adding additional options like what you are talking about sounds like a win for them on many levels as you are clearly not the only shooter asking for lower mounting options or they wouldn't have given you the time of day. Good luck and be sure to post an update once you have any addt'l info.

Yea I was expecting a quick and simple yes or no then take my info if they could. But he asked me what and why I wanted and wanted to know the full details of my problems and what I was looking for in the mount system. Almost like I was I to something groundbreaking it was nice haha

But I willbe sure to check back in if I hear any word on it. So for now I think I'm going to just run their ADM recon with 1.4" centerline and live with it until the newer mount comes along. I was going to run the seekings rings and 22MOA base option but that would put me above the $200 mark and because of the awesome CS I figured I'd give ADM my business since it's only about an 0.1" off from the seekings option again feels good knowing Im supporting an awesome company.

 

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Make sure you are able to use the ocular to adjust magnification. With it that low your nails will hate you after a while. Also make sure to check cheek weld with the gun offhand or sitting. Prone checkweld is not the same as positional checkweld.

Yea I needed at that. The SWFA is a side focus so I SHOULD be ok. We'll see when I get the mount in.

Eye relief is perfect with the USO. I can run it about 3/4 of an inch forward from where it currently is. Several people have shot this gun and none have complained of eye relief but the eye box is very forgiving with the USO's.

Yea it looks you have a little more wiggle room than my self. I need about 2 to 3" from the tip of my nose which is just above the 2nd and 3rd rail tooth. Not bad tho just doesn't help going with the ring options.

 

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Yea I needed at that. The SWFA is a side focus so I SHOULD be ok. We'll see when I get the mount in.



Yea it looks you have a little more wiggle room than my self. I need about 2 to 3" from the tip of my nose which is just above the 2nd and 3rd rail tooth. Not bad tho just doesn't help going with the ring options.

Magnification not paralax adjustment.