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There has been zero accountability. These cowards are 100% responsible for the murder of children.
There should be a law making this level of dereliction of duty a felony. No armed officer of the state who stood outside with his thumb pleasuring his prostate should be free to walk the streets of America posing as a man.
Kudos to the border patrol agent who rolled up pulled his AR 15 out of his trunk, ignored the plethora of cowards, maned up and did his job.
There should be a law making this level of dereliction of duty a felony. No armed officer of the state who stood outside with his thumb pleasuring his prostate should be free to walk the streets of America posing as a man.
Kudos to the border patrol agent who rolled up pulled his AR 15 out of his trunk, ignored the plethora of cowards, maned up and did his job.
Every cop in that picture and every cop in the hallway hiding should be shot or hanged. Any fuck with a 100-1 advantage who fucking folds should be shot or hanged. Any cop who arrested a parent while they cowered should be fucking shot or hanged. Worthless cunts, every one of them. At the very least they should be fired from law enforcement and decertified for life from ever working as a cop, fireman, EMT or security guard then fucking tarred and feathered and left to die of exposure.
If a few minutes of looking at those videos , look at how many of the cowards are starring at their feet or making weak eye contact and looking away......................those are fucking liars or cowards and there is a ton of them.
There is simply nothing awful enough to do to this rabble of human shit.
If a few minutes of looking at those videos , look at how many of the cowards are starring at their feet or making weak eye contact and looking away......................those are fucking liars or cowards and there is a ton of them.
There is simply nothing awful enough to do to this rabble of human shit.
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How can they (the ones who did nothing, or worse prevented parents from acting, show their faces in town?
One would think the local families would, ahem, cough cough, have a word or two to say to them, say they should run into them at the bar, or after church.
I thought this was the one that was resolved quickly, or am I remembering something else? Wasn't there a border patrol guy who drove hours to take care of something himself?
Be surprised if next time , they don’t catch a lot of 223 from parents trying to protect their children
Here you cop haters go again, wanting to put cops in front of a firing squad.
Traditionally cowards/traitors/spies are hung as firing squad is considered an honorable death.......
Traditionally cowards/traitors/spies are hung as firing squad is considered an honorable death.......
I’m honestly shocked armed parents didn’t storm the school. Those cops set a precedent. (God forbid) if this ever happens again, i hope the cops have life insurance policies so they don’t burden their families with funeral costs.
No shit.
"Im going in to save my child"
"No youre not"
"You'll have to shoot me in the back or arrest me, but remember, this is a small town and you'll be easy to find."
'Is that a threat?"
"You bet it is."
Arm-chair quarterbacks are the best...
Learn about confirmation bias, or don't, I give zero fucks.
Neither hyper-vocal side of the Uvalde incident is relaying all the facts, but that is almost always the way it goes.
Learn about confirmation bias, or don't, I give zero fucks.
Neither hyper-vocal side of the Uvalde incident is relaying all the facts, but that is almost always the way it goes.
The "facts" are there for all to see on hundreds of cameras and hours of audio. You can suck cop dick all day if you want, the "Facts" show they are a bunch of gutless fucks who left kids to die while they stood around digging in their own asses and making excuses for being cowards.
I’m not going to waste time negotiating with someone standing between me and my loved ones that are in imminent danger. If you’re in my way, you get a bullet.
You mfers will defend anything the pigs do
The cops are the first line of government. I don't need to know anything else.
I'm not defending the cops in this, I am saying there is lots more to the story than your echo chamber is telling you.
And military is also government, if you wanna paint with a very wide brush...
Is funny to me that media is great when people agree and the devil when they don't.
Left wing, right wing: same damned bird. But the low IQs never crack that code.
Carry on.
And military is also government, if you wanna paint with a very wide brush...
Is funny to me that media is great when people agree and the devil when they don't.
Left wing, right wing: same damned bird. But the low IQs never crack that code.
Carry on.
No that's not how it would happen. Maggot you may be an ahole, but you would not waste time trading verbal barbs with some coward while children die.
Any story can drag on forever with irrelevant bullshit. The relevant story. Children being murdered. Police stand back. Some of the police aid the murder by yelling into the school getting kids to yell back thinking the police are their to help. This helps the killer to locate new kids to kill. Other police stop people who want to help the kids.
Tell us what other parts of the story are relevant to you.
Or just fuck off.
Seems like you know something. So go ahead and let the rest of us in on this information.
They set no precedence. Up to that point and still, it is pretty standard for the cops to take a knee outside, until the perp kills himself. They did that with the two boys in trench coats (Klebold?), and others. Compared to military, who are trained that solving a seriously dangerous issue is to advance aggressively, and to train for it time and again, these guys are only experienced/trained in bullying someone they have an advantage over. Far too many times we've watched police take a knee, during televised events, and wondered moment to moment, "when are they going in?" Only to be answered, "Well after the problem has solved itself."
The first example of how to properly deal with these sort of situations, is the most recent one with the Tranny. That time they got it right.
How many of your kids were killed in that school, as the "free coffee and soda at Quicktrip club"....cough, cough....."heros".....hid behind block walls?
So as the official cop dick sucker of the forum, there is no way in hell I am defending the actions of any of Uvalde squad.
Firstly because they failed as human beings.
Second because the failed as cops
Third because they failed their training. (Numerous other professionlal police trainers have pointed this out).
So unless there was a hidden cell of white nationalists with nuclear field artillery in that classroom, I'm gonna go ahead and say they done fucked up.
Badly.
Firstly because they failed as human beings.
Second because the failed as cops
Third because they failed their training. (Numerous other professionlal police trainers have pointed this out).
So unless there was a hidden cell of white nationalists with nuclear field artillery in that classroom, I'm gonna go ahead and say they done fucked up.
Badly.
You know it's ok to take a break from the Hide, right? I do it every once in a while. Maybe spend some time on Tik Tok for a few days and come back fresh. I'll hold your spot buddy!
My main premises:
1. This incident reflects an absolute failure of training.
2. This incident reflects an absolute failure of leadership. Uvalde Chief Arredondo is a disgrace.
3. Teachers and students in this incident are absolute heroes.
Here's why I think this:
Every active shooter/school shooter incident in training and in reality is an absolute shitshow! The prevailing quote in incident management is "managed chaos". School shooting incident management contrasts this, and the efforts are not to control the chaos at all, just know it will be there while direct action/neutralization/smoke the bad guy in the face prevails above all. Save the babies! This includes stepping over victims, not addressing victims shouts of help until the threat is addressed. Bullets in the bad guy are the best band-aids at this juncture in the incident. In unfortunate circumstances where the police don't have keys, key cards, traditional ways of gaining entry, an officer plows a squad into the front gates to the school in hopes to at least create a crack to get in. This is the mentality of training being properly drilled into law enforcement response to a school shooter.
On the other side of this co-op solution between LE and the school, the staff and students are trained to barricade or evacuate as they deem the most appropriate response based upon their boots on the ground intel and assessment on the location of the shooter.
Gunshots right outside the door?" Barricade.
Gunshots on the other end of the school? GTFO and rally point.
Weaponized classroom countermeasures employed if the shooter starts in a room as a student or gains entry. One example is a barrage of a hundred cans of soup at the shooter who gained entry. Stick him in the eye with the flag pole, baseball bat to the head, etc. "Doing something is better than nothing" is now taught. The duck & cover drills where students just wait to get shot are over. Long gone old training like the duck & cover nuclear attack drills.
POLICE TRAINING FAILURE
Police agencies across the nation, since even Columbine, have addressed the critical need for contingency training & proper response for active/school shooters. Reinforced by school shootings in succession of Columbine. So, how did Uvalde land in a vacuum/ignorance void of these longstanding efforts? There have been some really impressive programs, SOPs, and equipment innovations to address a school shooter scenarios. Uvalde incident response/lack of response blows my mind in this regard. (This training to police, and especially the small town bubbas, gives them a sense of purpose and focus outside of the mundane shit of road tax extortion and tall grass tickets. The training is excellent in it's tangent benefit realized here)
Points taken from the video that support this premise:
- Disconnect in training between school & officers. Those teachers and kids were still following some of the training they received. Staying quiet? Little kids laying in pools of blood and looking at their classmates slaughtered, with a bad guy in the room, and especially their leader, their teacher shot? My God those kids are beyond heroic!
- This leads into the next point of the reacting (Not responding, since "response" denotes well planned thought and actions) officers confused about the lack of sound and reasonably expecting there were no victims in the room with the shooter. If the officers were trained properly and effectively, this quiet state of the room would still make sense that children are present and the direct attack response to take out the shooter would have been executed in the first minutes of the incident.
- Lack of this training makes the barricaded subject assumption plausible in the minds of the officers on scene. So, they default to their highest level of training or instruction on this scenario. This is completely understandable at this point in the incident. There was still a reasonable disconnect in mindset also from a traffic crash on the roadway to a barricaded subject in the school that some of the officers mentioned in their depositions. Throw in the reasonable thinking of same officers that end of school year classes might be out of the room engaged in field trips and such. With their lack of training these state of mind statements are plausible at this point in the incident.
- Officers stated there was no chain of command and no incident command center established. Properly trained officers wouldn't wait for this to be established. Majority of school shootings are done in 5 minutes. Bad guy suicides or gets taken out by proper police response. So, the improperly trained/pure lack of trained officer are doing their drone roles of awaiting instructions from command. This really kills me as all police officers should be generalists and not specialists. Just take out the leader and the rest will faulter comes to mind like the Russian Army or the WWII Japanese Army philosophy where leadership is not delegated throughout the ranks.
LEADERSHIP FAILURE
This Chief Arredondo - to say nothing about the litany of complacent acts and negligence made neon from this incident, he is the fault for lack of proper training of his personnel. He is also a coward for not owning up to his failures by stating he thought their training was adequate to handle this incident. Absolutely bullshit!
- "None of us have ever been in this type of situation". Uttered multiple times by multiple officers. Evidence of NO training for the shit sandwich/CHAOS expectation that gets addressed in proper training mentioned previously. Even one role played scenario based training event would have helped this "helpless" sentiment expressed by the officers on scene. Remember the one officer pleading for better training?
- In the infancy of the incident I thought the chief was responding according to proper training. He was telling his officers to "get inside" and he appeared to be direct threat neutralization minded. I know he got fumbled up with the quiet classroom and barricaded subject thing with the rest of the officers on scene, but when he was given the information that there were victims in the room and the shooter still present, he should have relayed that information and he didn't. Sadly, I really don't think it would have mattered since they were going about the notion the classroom door was locked. However, with proper contingency preparation and planning the locked door thing would have been addressed and officers would have a master key or in some schools, keycards, to make this obstacle a non-issue in regards to entry.
- So, the tickle down of more fuck ups after the major fuck up puts the chief clearing the rest of the building that is done after the threat is neutralized.
OVERALL QUESTIONS OF A SHITSHOW
- Was the school also not enforcing the school shooter training they received? It was reported the shooter gained entry via propped open door that wasn't to be propped open.
- One officer stated "I didn't bother to throw on my rifle plates at all" Other officers claim .223 can cut through armor "like butter". Well, they're called rifle plates for a reason, right? Because their rated to defeat rifle rounds, right?
- The safety commission spokeswoman said, "The door was likely unlocked the entire time". Well, this is an assumption I guess nobody will know either way. I would hope the commission wouldn't use this against anybody, just as I hope the propped open door teacher wouldn't have that held over their head. It was a training failure. If trained properly, teachers and police would be much less likely, if ever make the mistakes they did.
- An officer on scene remarked, "None of us thought this would happen in the small town, but then immediately followed that statement with, "We always said it's not a matter of if, it's when". That could have just been nervous utterance, but it does not look good.
1. This incident reflects an absolute failure of training.
2. This incident reflects an absolute failure of leadership. Uvalde Chief Arredondo is a disgrace.
3. Teachers and students in this incident are absolute heroes.
Here's why I think this:
Every active shooter/school shooter incident in training and in reality is an absolute shitshow! The prevailing quote in incident management is "managed chaos". School shooting incident management contrasts this, and the efforts are not to control the chaos at all, just know it will be there while direct action/neutralization/smoke the bad guy in the face prevails above all. Save the babies! This includes stepping over victims, not addressing victims shouts of help until the threat is addressed. Bullets in the bad guy are the best band-aids at this juncture in the incident. In unfortunate circumstances where the police don't have keys, key cards, traditional ways of gaining entry, an officer plows a squad into the front gates to the school in hopes to at least create a crack to get in. This is the mentality of training being properly drilled into law enforcement response to a school shooter.
On the other side of this co-op solution between LE and the school, the staff and students are trained to barricade or evacuate as they deem the most appropriate response based upon their boots on the ground intel and assessment on the location of the shooter.
Gunshots right outside the door?" Barricade.
Gunshots on the other end of the school? GTFO and rally point.
Weaponized classroom countermeasures employed if the shooter starts in a room as a student or gains entry. One example is a barrage of a hundred cans of soup at the shooter who gained entry. Stick him in the eye with the flag pole, baseball bat to the head, etc. "Doing something is better than nothing" is now taught. The duck & cover drills where students just wait to get shot are over. Long gone old training like the duck & cover nuclear attack drills.
POLICE TRAINING FAILURE
Police agencies across the nation, since even Columbine, have addressed the critical need for contingency training & proper response for active/school shooters. Reinforced by school shootings in succession of Columbine. So, how did Uvalde land in a vacuum/ignorance void of these longstanding efforts? There have been some really impressive programs, SOPs, and equipment innovations to address a school shooter scenarios. Uvalde incident response/lack of response blows my mind in this regard. (This training to police, and especially the small town bubbas, gives them a sense of purpose and focus outside of the mundane shit of road tax extortion and tall grass tickets. The training is excellent in it's tangent benefit realized here)
Points taken from the video that support this premise:
- Disconnect in training between school & officers. Those teachers and kids were still following some of the training they received. Staying quiet? Little kids laying in pools of blood and looking at their classmates slaughtered, with a bad guy in the room, and especially their leader, their teacher shot? My God those kids are beyond heroic!
- This leads into the next point of the reacting (Not responding, since "response" denotes well planned thought and actions) officers confused about the lack of sound and reasonably expecting there were no victims in the room with the shooter. If the officers were trained properly and effectively, this quiet state of the room would still make sense that children are present and the direct attack response to take out the shooter would have been executed in the first minutes of the incident.
- Lack of this training makes the barricaded subject assumption plausible in the minds of the officers on scene. So, they default to their highest level of training or instruction on this scenario. This is completely understandable at this point in the incident. There was still a reasonable disconnect in mindset also from a traffic crash on the roadway to a barricaded subject in the school that some of the officers mentioned in their depositions. Throw in the reasonable thinking of same officers that end of school year classes might be out of the room engaged in field trips and such. With their lack of training these state of mind statements are plausible at this point in the incident.
- Officers stated there was no chain of command and no incident command center established. Properly trained officers wouldn't wait for this to be established. Majority of school shootings are done in 5 minutes. Bad guy suicides or gets taken out by proper police response. So, the improperly trained/pure lack of trained officer are doing their drone roles of awaiting instructions from command. This really kills me as all police officers should be generalists and not specialists. Just take out the leader and the rest will faulter comes to mind like the Russian Army or the WWII Japanese Army philosophy where leadership is not delegated throughout the ranks.
LEADERSHIP FAILURE
This Chief Arredondo - to say nothing about the litany of complacent acts and negligence made neon from this incident, he is the fault for lack of proper training of his personnel. He is also a coward for not owning up to his failures by stating he thought their training was adequate to handle this incident. Absolutely bullshit!
- "None of us have ever been in this type of situation". Uttered multiple times by multiple officers. Evidence of NO training for the shit sandwich/CHAOS expectation that gets addressed in proper training mentioned previously. Even one role played scenario based training event would have helped this "helpless" sentiment expressed by the officers on scene. Remember the one officer pleading for better training?
- In the infancy of the incident I thought the chief was responding according to proper training. He was telling his officers to "get inside" and he appeared to be direct threat neutralization minded. I know he got fumbled up with the quiet classroom and barricaded subject thing with the rest of the officers on scene, but when he was given the information that there were victims in the room and the shooter still present, he should have relayed that information and he didn't. Sadly, I really don't think it would have mattered since they were going about the notion the classroom door was locked. However, with proper contingency preparation and planning the locked door thing would have been addressed and officers would have a master key or in some schools, keycards, to make this obstacle a non-issue in regards to entry.
- So, the tickle down of more fuck ups after the major fuck up puts the chief clearing the rest of the building that is done after the threat is neutralized.
OVERALL QUESTIONS OF A SHITSHOW
- Was the school also not enforcing the school shooter training they received? It was reported the shooter gained entry via propped open door that wasn't to be propped open.
- One officer stated "I didn't bother to throw on my rifle plates at all" Other officers claim .223 can cut through armor "like butter". Well, they're called rifle plates for a reason, right? Because their rated to defeat rifle rounds, right?
- The safety commission spokeswoman said, "The door was likely unlocked the entire time". Well, this is an assumption I guess nobody will know either way. I would hope the commission wouldn't use this against anybody, just as I hope the propped open door teacher wouldn't have that held over their head. It was a training failure. If trained properly, teachers and police would be much less likely, if ever make the mistakes they did.
- An officer on scene remarked, "None of us thought this would happen in the small town, but then immediately followed that statement with, "We always said it's not a matter of if, it's when". That could have just been nervous utterance, but it does not look good.
Someone's not very sharp this AM
Or were you really set on shooting over hanging......
Too much cope hate in my post have you all confused? I think you skipped a groove buddy
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Nope
Worse that that
Chief that told them to stand down is a communist. Bodies are good for communist goals. “Never let a crisis go to waste”
This is one of the nightmare adds to the already shitshow of a school shooter incident.
Teachers coined this potentiality as the "Redneck Army Response". Scannerland people, parents, etc coming on scene with armed response to "help".
The problem this creates is now adding multiple armed & unidentified subjects/parents to the scene. What do you do as a responding officer with that fucking shit? Who is the shooter now? How much friendly fire is this going to create?
Who is going to tell a parent they can't try to help their child who is in grave danger?
The answer to all this wasn't the best, but it was, the police and the school personnel need to be properly and frequently trained for the potential scenario so the shooter is "hopped off the planet" as fast as possible so the incident doesn't linger to open the door for these horrible potentialities to take place.
Maybe in some instances but in this instance the parents showed up after the police were standing around smoking and joking. The parents were urging them to do something and they responded by handcuffing the parents.
So, the cops would have gone in if a group of parents told them to FOAD and took matters into their own hands?
As DY pointed out below, not in this instance. Had the LE done their jobs to start, the parents would not have even arrived yet.
They even disarmed and cuffed one of their own that had a child in the school.
How do you go back to work and look at them every day?
How can those cowards write a ticket for someone that rolls through a stop sign?
How do you go back to work and look at them every day?
How can those cowards write a ticket for someone that rolls through a stop sign?
They shouldn't have had parents begging them to do something.
They should have already been inside clearing rooms.
Pretty simple…….do the job they signed up for. If they aren’t “man enough” for the situation then step aside and allow someone who is.
I don’t know how much cowardice played a role - seems if there was no ticket to issue or shit to steal or old ladies to beat up they seemed content to stand around and check their phones and use hand sanitizer. They did get physical with one particular parent; a mother whom they later threatened to take her kids if she didn’t keep quiet.
Not cowards just useless cunts who are comfortable with mass murder of children but don’t dare cross the police tape !
400+ stood around and did shit - 1 off duty PB borrowed a shotgun and took care of business. 1 out 400That’s where I put the ratio of “good un’s” to worthless pieces of statist shit 1 out of every 400 or so.
I’m looking for the other video -someone did a follow up a few months after - and almost all those worthless cunts still had the job- lots of them for other Departments or jurisdictions. Cause other departments or jurisdictions don’t think they did anything wrong or were cowardly. They beat the fuck out of a 107 pound Mexican gal!
Not cowards just useless cunts who are comfortable with mass murder of children but don’t dare cross the police tape !
400+ stood around and did shit - 1 off duty PB borrowed a shotgun and took care of business. 1 out 400That’s where I put the ratio of “good un’s” to worthless pieces of statist shit 1 out of every 400 or so.
I’m looking for the other video -someone did a follow up a few months after - and almost all those worthless cunts still had the job- lots of them for other Departments or jurisdictions. Cause other departments or jurisdictions don’t think they did anything wrong or were cowardly. They beat the fuck out of a 107 pound Mexican gal!
You mean to say school shootings are chaotic and dangerous? Wow, great insight. I’ll make sure to call you for help the next time shit hits the fan.
Me too, but ide still be able to look St Peter straight in the eye.Youre probably right, I'd get shot in the back by one of the cowards.
Ahole
Everyone wants to bitch, but the police have no legal obligation to protect the citizens from criminals. It's been ruled on three times at the Supreme Court.
Then remove “Protect and Serve “ from the cruisers. Replace with “Harass and Annoy.”
He is correct - no duty to protect , no duty to stop mass shooters , no duty to stop cities burning for over 200 nights .
Just revenue generators .
Very True, but that's why I added they failed as humans to my criticism.
Supreme Court doesn't get to tell me my morals. Isn't what all that sheepdop schtick is about? Protect the young and innocent?
Thats pretty fucked up. They will make examples out of them for what ever reason. Prison wont be kind to them.
I was talking in the other thread about because of my age having a deep respect for the law and system that my/our father's fought for. You may call me a boomer but this not the world I knew nor worked to create. We did our work and trusted others would. How did this come to pass?
There be snakes.
I was talking in the other thread about because of my age having a deep respect for the law and system that my/our father's fought for. You may call me a boomer but this not the world I knew nor worked to create. We did our work and trusted others would. How did this come to pass?
There be snakes.
correct. remember the OJ riots? i believe that was the test case that got the BS instituted. they have NO statutory obligation to intervene to stop a violent crime. you wonder why the cop hate from ordinary law abiding citizens? really? they are always happy to write speeding tickets,no knock entry with 20 to1 numbers their way,shot or beat people who argue with or "disrespect" them. they are generally as useless and incompetent as the other gov drones.
Kind of off topic, but watching them not be able to get a door open reminded me of something at work a few years back. There was a fire, contained to one room small room in a concrete building. And in spite of having the master keys on hand and offered to them, the local FD chopped open 52 other doors. on three floors for no real reason.
They should have called the the local axe happy volenteer fire department.
They should have called the the local axe happy volenteer fire department.
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