Very strange grouping.

[rzspeed]

Hi, hope my question is in the right threads.
I have been experiencing really strange grouping lately, holes in the paper sheets are touching each other in 3 like clover leaf but these small grouping are sparced all around the target. It looks like a clover leaf fields. Could somebody explain me what is happening i am a bit confused.

Thanks a million time.
Bob.

 

[M-54]

You are going to have to explain this a lot better. Holes around the paper are hard to explain unless you enjoy humor or sarcasm.

 

[shovelstrokeed]

Hard to guess with such minimal information.
Are you shooting 3 shot groups and then breaking position to shoot 3 more? Inconsistent position would be a guess.
If the groups are bouncing around over longer strings, I would tend to blame equipment, loose or bad scope, loose action screws. It is easy to blame equipment but, to hazard another guess, I would tend to blame the shooter first and then equipment.
Since we know nothing other than the gun seems capable of at least 3 shot touching clusters, that is the conclusion I would bet on.
Try a 10 shot group, or even 5.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

OP,

What you may have is a gross change in perspective of aim. With practice on retrieving a mental picture of what perfect sight alignment should look like it will work itself out, that's to say, you will come to understand when alignment and sight picture are consistent. Right now you can not discern that sight picture and alignment may be different from shot to shot. Usually, groupings as you described are not sequential, which confirms the ailments origin. I look at this as a guy with three or four girlfriends. He thinks initially that they are all perfect. He cannot decide which one to go steady with. Eventually, he realizes one appears to be the right one. Shoot 5 shot groups and be conscious of your relationship between gun and ground:

1. Shoulder rifle without looking at target, cognizant for the 5 factors of a steady position. Make muscular relaxation a priority.
2. Adjust NPA for desired sight picture.
3. Place focus or concentration on reticle/eyepiece/eyeball relationship.
4. Pull trigger SMOOTHLY.
5. Follow through.

 

[sib1948]

OP,

What you may have is a gross change in perspective of aim. With practice on a mental picture of it all this will work itself out, that's to say, you will come to understand when alignment and sight picture are consistent. Right now you can not discern that sight picture and alignment may be different from shot to shot. Usually, groupings as you described are not sequential, which confirms the ailments origin. I look at this as a guy with three or four girlfriends. He thinks initially that they are all perfect. He cannot decide which one to go steady with. Eventually, he realizes one appears to be the right one.

Perfect analogy! I was never fortunate enough to have 4 girlfriends at once, but must of been hard on your schedule and jewels! However, have been with the same beautiful lady for more than 50 years. I hope my rifles and shooting work out as well as that!

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Perfect analogy! I was never fortunate enough to have 4 girlfriends at once, but must of been hard on your schedule and jewels! However, have been with the same beautiful lady for more than 50 years. I hope my rifles and shooting work out as well as that!

The OPs problem is one I see often. It can be very frustrating for both shooter and coach. The shooter gets it. He understands sight alignment and trigger control as evidenced by being able to produce groups; however, the initial inability to recognize when consistency has been realized or not precludes the best result. The shooter needs to be reminded at this point that knowing how to do it does not assure one of being able to do it. That will come later with practice.