Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

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I have been asked to do a research project on veterans attitudes towards, and rates of use of, marijuana. The information will be used to assist in the development of a comprehensive support program that will include discussiong groups, education, job training, and significantly discounted medical cannabis. This program is a pilot project located in California.

Regardless of your opinions about marijuana, if you are veteran I would like to hear from you. The survey will take about ten minutes of your time. Please forward this to anyone you know who has served time in the armed forces whether or not they use marijuana or have any disability related to their service.

Thank you for your consideration, http://fhwcc.org/survey/index.php?sid=75922&lang=en


"Fruitridge Health and Wellness Collective (FHWC) is interested in finding out more about how veterans use Medical Cannabis (MC) with regards to the treatment of symptoms that are a direct result of their time in the armed forces. Further we are interested in how best to incorporate MC into a comprehensive program that provides education about mental and physical issues, health and wellness. The following survey will give us more information related to MC use by veterans and help us to define the direction of the program. It is our intent to conduct a long term research study to track the findings of this initial survey."
 
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Fuck off Hippie. We ain't buying. Go peddle your drugs somewhere else. We know what you are doing, and I for one want no part of it. You are part of the Communist Demoralization Campaign that has been touting how good drugs are for us since the 60's. We know better.
I hope you and the rest of you pushers end up in federal prison for trafficing, manufacturing, and delivery.
 
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I've met a few perfectly functional liberal Marijuana users. They get good grades and have jobs, etc.

I don't see why it's illegal, but I also have never used or felt the need to smoke it or anything else.

I think we should end bi-partisan politics and just give people the opportunity to move to regions of the country that are budgeted and politically represented independently of the federal government.

Then all the hardcore liberals could move somewhere like California, into a certain area of the state and freely hug whales and do drugs in their own economic system that could work or not work reflective of its own collective destiny.

Then maybe they could also give conservatives a place to go where we wouldn't have to pay for drug enforcement or welfare recipients, because we would all share the same work ethic and moral and ethical values. In that way we could be free to have full auto firearms and sound suppressors, and to do "American stuff" like have a gun range to go shoot, without liberals fighting to take away our Constitutional rights, and to re-appropriate our wealth to banks and lazy people.
 
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Another good point to make is that the BATFE has issued a policy from what I understand, saying that FFL's are not to transfer or sell firearms to medicinal marijuana users.

Obviously that information may not be available to the FFL in all cases, but it does represent an obvious potential for medical marijuana use to at some point infringe a veteran's firearms freedoms in the USA, so it would seem logical that veterans would not want to have anything to do with Marijuana.

More likely it sounds like California is scrambling to link a non-liberal group with medical marijuana use, in order to keep their medical pot making industry active and legal. That industry has come under fire recently from the federal government.

The liberals in California don't help Veterans with gun laws, so I don't see why a veteran would want to help liberals in California with marijuana laws.
 
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LOL at donttrytorun. this entire thread is funny. only liberals smoke pot? so then, conservatives drink beer and beat their wives? right on, im glad i understand that now. just sayin.... im a vet, and ive had trouble sleeping, and could have used some help. if you want to talk shit about drug pushers donttrytorun, you should take a look at the fda, and the big drug companies. open your eyes.
 
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When I was bored out of my skull while stationed in South Korea in '91 - '92 I'd wander through the Army supply system. I found the NSN for both marijuana and cocaine.
 
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People from Cali just can't help it. Fruitridge??? I'd rather be aroud a pot smoker than a heavy drinker anytime. I'm less likely to get in a fight with the Stoner. Was in the Navy from '75-'79 and will state that it was likely that a majority smoked. Was hardly any drug testing then and if there was, it was used to get rid of a liability. I LIKE the idea of dividing the US up into areas that reflected Liberal and Conservative lifestyles. If you could return the Federal govt back to it's original mission as intended by the Founders, that's about what we would have as States Rights would dominate.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hStiglitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People from Cali just can't help it. Fruitridge??? I'd rather be aroud a pot smoker than a heavy drinker anytime. I'm less likely to get in a fight with the Stoner. Was in the Navy from '75-'79 and will state that it was likely that a majority smoked. Was hardly any drug testing then and if there was, it was used to get rid of a liability. I LIKE the idea of dividing the US up into areas that reflected Liberal and Conservative lifestyles. If you could return the Federal govt back to it's original mission as intended by the Founders, that's about what we would have as States Rights would dominate. </div></div>
I have no doubt how many Navy smoked weed in the 70's. The 82nd was know as the "Jumpin' Junkies" with good reason. I enlisted in 79, and was sent to Hawaii, Thailand, Sri lanka, the P.I., and lots of other weed ports. There was lots of smoking, 3 times a day, of potent tropical weed.
Then that EA6B crashed on the carrier and the flight crew and most of the dozens of dead on deck were found to have weed in their systems and the ship had been out of port for like a month. they were getting high on ship. I know how easy that was, because I was there. That's why drug testing started. Zero tolerance. First test was Feb 2, 1982 at a quonset hut camp at 6000 feet elevation on the Big Island. As I recall everybody, everywhere, took one that day. I don't know if anybody was hit for that one, because it seemed the military was figuringing out how to get every swinging dick and splittail in the service accounted for.
Our Bn Commander, J.J. Sheehan, told us in early Dec, at a unit formation where he pulled in close, that on Feb 2 drug testing was in effect, so go on leave for Christmas, have a good time, and if you get high, stop, because if you pop + your career was over.
Best thing that ever happened to the Corps, the Service, and me.
If you guys want to our troops all smoked up like the ANA, spacey, unreliable, and stupid in firefights, fuck you. I remember those days, and how bad it was, for me included.
If you have a job that doesn't matter then you can get away with weed. But if your performance actually matters, getting high is not a option, and if you get high last night, or smoked up last weekend, then you performance is affected today.
Validating the degenerate and self indulgent lifestyle of potheads is all this is about. I am sure old "Vietnam Tom" would sing the praises of medicinal weed while he's on the bus, and the Ron Paul fanboys always love to sing this song, just like with unrestricted gun ownership for anybody. There are those who demand the right to have sex with children too, and think they have persuasive arguments.
I know how damaging weed is, from experience. Don't tell me it's good for us. I heard that shit back in the 70's. They said sex was safe too. Thank God all I caught was the Clap, twice.
Drug use makes for so many societal problems that your demands for "your rights" are damaging the fabric.
 
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Sent 2 door gunners to LBJ (Long Binh Jail) for getting onto my bird stoned.

Had enough people trying to kill me. Didn't need any of my crew trying to help them along.
 
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It's good to see that this has generated some discussion. I would like to say in response to the "hippy" comment. I am not a hippy and I am not peddling drugs. I am a college instructor who has been asked to do some research and develop a support program for vets. Every semester I have vets tell me how much they benefit from my course (I teach Psychology) and how the VA does not always meet their needs. If I can set it up so that they get some education about using marijuana medicinally and not just wander around stoned out their heads then I don’t see that as a bad thing.If I can save them some $ also not a bad thing.

I am working with the local chapter of Veterans of Foreign Wars and the dispensary. I am posting on the gun forums as well as than the pot forums so I can get a better idea of attitudes towards marijuana. There is very little data on attitudes and rates of use. While there may some issues with the way the survey has gone out, I feel that we may get some good information. I want to be clear I do not have a political agenda and the data will not be used for anything other than program development. Marijuana is legal in 16 states because for whatever reason the people decided to make it legal.

If you are a vet, and think it should be illegal then take the survey and say so.
Thanks!
 
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As a doctor I have seen MANY cancer and chemo. patients, as well as end-stage AIDs patients, not be able to eat anything without medical marijuana. My mother, God Bless her, hurts everyday & eats like a bird; and I don't think some medical marijuana would hurt her. Other than she lives in the middle of nowhere, and needs to protect herself (I was thrilled to discover she recently purchased a gun, though I wished she would have asked for my input on choice). She needs to be able to protect herself more than she needs weed.
The problem is: I sure as hell wouldn't trust this survey, or any along these lines..,to tell some authority,or any authority /"even research", which individuals may or may not be using medical marijuana given that you can no longer own firearms and receive this treatment. All surveys are going into the hands of big brother, who wants to disarm us, the one group that may have to stand up and protect this country and the sheeples from tyranny and complete loss of civil liberties.
You are going to see a wedge argument open up from marijuana, to prescription medications, to any illness involving the psyche, including PTSD, acute situation depression from grief/mourning, as a reason to take away firearms. You don't believe me? Maybe I have a tin-foil hat on now but time will tell...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As a doctor I have seen MANY cancer and chemo. patients, as well as end-stage AIDs patients, not be able to eat anything without medical marijuana. </div></div>
I agree that Medical marijuana uses have some short term benefit for specific cases. Chemo patients are only sufferig from the GI disruption for a short period in treatment (IV Compazine was great for that, but their GI tracts are sloughing off so what really can you do? IV TPN in severe cases), and AIDS patients, of whom there are few with symptoms the last 13-14 years or so since the combo therapy drugs came out, because if they actually take them they are almost asymptomatic, get some improvement in their final days if they are affected in a way that gives them "The Skinnies", which not all or even most get even if they get actual AIDS.
But saying "I have/had Cancer" to get a permanent pass to use marijuana whenever and wherever they want is absurd. It would be short term only. A few weeks or a month or so for Chemo, and End Stage AIDS, who will die in weeks or months.
But social anxiety disorder? PTSD because "I saw a dead guy", or "chronic back pain"? Or any of the myriad bullshit, uncorroborated by testing and specialists, that validate these bullshit RX's from the marijuana script mills?
The Pain Management MD's have not approved MM for use. They are the certified ones who actually moniyor and evaluate patients for therapy with narcotics. And those phoneys in FLA and other places who run "Pain Management Clinics" that are RX mills are no different from the pnes who write them for 99% of the people who walk in the door and slap down their 2 or 3 hundred $.
Don't equate short term acute syptoms from serious illnesses with the bullshit the majority of the MM users are getting it for. It is a disgrace to the Medical Community.
But then those doctors don't actually write RX's for marijuana, do they? No, they give a "recommendation" that goes to the dealers who give a card that "entitles" them to buy, use, and grow, in violation of Federal Law.
I hope the FBI and IRS takes everything the dealers make, and lock them up for life, which they should for the amounts of drugs they are selling.
 
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Tried to do the survey but it cut me off half way through, I don't think it liked my non hippie answers.

I haven't met a lot of marijuana users, legal medical or otherwise, that were real functional members of society. The majority of them are unemployed and I always find their food stamp credit cards in their wallets and they are getting all kinds of other benefits from the state.

I had one guy that had a medical marijuana license, I asked him what he smoked for. His answer?....Acid reflux....I usually just eat a Tums antacid.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hStiglitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People from Cali just can't help it. Fruitridge??? I'd rather be aroud a pot smoker than a heavy drinker anytime. I'm less likely to get in a fight with the Stoner. Was in the Navy from '75-'79 and will state that it was likely that a majority smoked. Was hardly any drug testing then and if there was, it was used to get rid of a liability. I LIKE the idea of dividing the US up into areas that reflected Liberal and Conservative lifestyles. If you could return the Federal govt back to it's original mission as intended by the Founders, that's about what we would have as States Rights would dominate. </div></div>
I have no doubt how many Navy smoked weed in the 70's. The 82nd was know as the "Jumpin' Junkies" with good reason. I enlisted in 79, and was sent to Hawaii, Thailand, Sri lanka, the P.I., and lots of other weed ports. There was lots of smoking, 3 times a day, of potent tropical weed.
Then that EA6B crashed on the carrier and the flight crew and most of the dozens of dead on deck were found to have weed in their systems and the ship had been out of port for like a month. they were getting high on ship. I know how easy that was, because I was there. That's why drug testing started. Zero tolerance. First test was Feb 2, 1982 at a quonset hut camp at 6000 feet elevation on the Big Island. As I recall everybody, everywhere, took one that day. I don't know if anybody was hit for that one, because it seemed the military was figuringing out how to get every swinging dick and splittail in the service accounted for.
Our Bn Commander, J.J. Sheehan, told us in early Dec, at a unit formation where he pulled in close, that on Feb 2 drug testing was in effect, so go on leave for Christmas, have a good time, and if you get high, stop, because if you pop + your career was over.
Best thing that ever happened to the Corps, the Service, and me.
If you guys want to our troops all smoked up like the ANA, spacey, unreliable, and stupid in firefights, fuck you. I remember those days, and how bad it was, for me included.
If you have a job that doesn't matter then you can get away with weed. But if your performance actually matters, getting high is not a option, and if you get high last night, or smoked up last weekend, then you performance is affected today.
Validating the degenerate and self indulgent lifestyle of potheads is all this is about. I am sure old "Vietnam Tom" would sing the praises of medicinal weed while he's on the bus, and the Ron Paul fanboys always love to sing this song, just like with unrestricted gun ownership for anybody. There are those who demand the right to have sex with children too, and think they have persuasive arguments.
I know how damaging weed is, from experience. Don't tell me it's good for us. I heard that shit back in the 70's. They said sex was safe too. Thank God all I caught was the Clap, twice.
Drug use makes for so many societal problems that your demands for "your rights" are damaging the fabric. </div></div>

i dont think anybody is suggesting that troops should smoke a joint before a mission........ dont be ridiculous. troops arent allowed to drink on deployment either.
 
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My father died of colon cancer a year ago. He had virtually no appetite, and constant sickness from chemo and radiation. If anyone should have had access to medical marijuana, it should have been my father. There is simply no logical reason that people can be prescribed opiates, or buy alcohol and tobacco over the counter and marijuana is illegal. I've never smoked marijuana, and I've got no plans to. But there are many instances where marijuana is much preferred to the highly addictive opiates drug companies make millions off of every year. It all goes back to who's making money off of the alternatives to marijuana... Big Pharma.
 
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So if the lab geeks came up with a pill, elixir, or inhaler with active ingredients derived from pot that had the effects and purported benefits, would there still be this big push to legalize mary jane in one fashion or another? I haven't looked into the "legalize it" push, but I know there are patients with specific medical problems that pot supposed to help. But the thing is, there are medical professionals out there who think pot if some be all end all, cure all wonder drug. I know that there are some states that all one has to do is ask, and they can be smoking weed and watching Comedy Central re-runs in no time.
What's the problem with having a prescription in a form other than 'buds'? I'll tell you the problem, it's the fact that it's not that 'purple sticky punch plant' (yes thats a Bio-Dome quote), medical marijuana is just part of a deviant counter culture disguised under a white lab coat.

I know there are a million different angles one can take on the subject pros/cons and the like, this is just my opinion, but I'd be willing to be that if medical marijuana went out the door because an alternate form was available, the general consensus would probably be "it's just not the same man"...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tried to do the survey but it cut me off half way through, I don't think it liked my non hippie answers.

I haven't met a lot of marijuana users, legal medical or otherwise, that were real functional members of society. The majority of them are unemployed and I always find their food stamp credit cards in their wallets and they are getting all kinds of other benefits from the state.

I had one guy that had a medical marijuana license, I asked him what he smoked for. His answer?....Acid reflux....<span style="color: #FF0000">I usually just eat a Tums antacid</span>.</div></div>

Yea no shit, I know a group of fellas in MT that are all state caretakers for each other. Their reason for needing medical pot ranges from headaches, to body aches. I told them that if the drank less booze their head and body probably wouldn't hurt as often.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tried to do the survey but it cut me off half way through, I don't think it liked my non hippie answers.

I haven't met a lot of marijuana users, legal medical or otherwise, that were real functional members of society. The majority of them are unemployed and I always find their food stamp credit cards in their wallets and they are getting all kinds of other benefits from the state.

I had one guy that had a medical marijuana license, I asked him what he smoked for. His answer?....Acid reflux....I usually just eat a Tums antacid. </div></div>

With Evergreen State College and the dense population of "greeners" there that doesn't surprise me!
 
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Does anyone know what the long term effects of medical marijuana are? For terminally ill people, it really doesn't matter. But for the people who are getting scripts for "body pain", how much is this magical drug going to cost us in the future. Look at cigarettes, they have cost us billions in medical costs (cancer, lung desease, etc.). I'm just wondering if there have been any credible studies that show how weeds cancer rate compares to cigarettes. It doesn't make much sense to relieve pain with cancer.
 
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Seeing as how some got kicked out with negative response to weed thought i would do a little test. First time through answered aginst weed made it 5 questions next time in favor of it and got all the way through. That might have an effect on end statistics i think.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if the lab geeks came up with a pill, elixir, or inhaler with active ingredients derived from pot that had the effects and purported benefits, </div></div>

Lab geeks such as myself have already done just that (from my post above)-->

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> CBD (cannabidiol) ... </div></div>

It's a very simple to make extract called cannabidiol that doesn't get you high (no THC) but has all the medicinal properties.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if the lab geeks came up with a pill, elixir, or inhaler with active ingredients derived from pot that had the effects and purported benefits, </div></div>

Lab geeks such as myself have already done just that (from my post above)-->

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> CBD (cannabidiol) ... </div></div>

It's a very simple to make extract called cannabidiol that doesn't get you high (no THC) but has all the medicinal properties.</div></div>

There you have it. The fact that it does not get one high begs the question, is medicinal marijuana more about getting stoned, and less about the medical benefits? It seems since there is this huge push to legalize pot for medicinal use, when there are medications that do the same thing, and are in fact a derivative of marijuana except they don't get you high seems like its purely about getting stoned.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pizzamanny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe Americans should be free to do what they want if not harming someone else or violating another persons rights. </div></div>

YES!!! That's the Constitutionally correct view. The rest with their 'hippie' comments would do well to pull their heads out of their asses and learn what it means to give people freedom of choice to what they want.
 
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I don't understand the whole thing. Why should any one want to do anything to dampen their sences and reaction. I'm not against it if it was legal I'm sure I'd try it so I'm not one to talk becouse mostly I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm a vet and many of my buddy's done it and still do it I have or won't it all of them a positive influence in their community and bisness owners. Meeting them I doubt you'd ever know so I don't understand the "hippy" thing eather that's like saying all people who eat chicken or watermellon are black or any one who eats taccos are Mexican? I think that least of the USA problems but their not any political talk allowed on here
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if the lab geeks came up with a pill, elixir, or inhaler with active ingredients derived from pot that had the effects and purported benefits, </div></div>

Lab geeks such as myself have already done just that (from my post above)-->

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> CBD (cannabidiol) ... </div></div>

It's a very simple to make extract called cannabidiol that doesn't get you high (no THC) but has all the medicinal properties.</div></div>

There you have it. The fact that it does not get one high begs the question, is medicinal marijuana more about getting stoned, and less about the medical benefits? It seems since there is this huge push to legalize pot for medicinal use, when there are medications that do the same thing, and are in fact a derivative of marijuana except they don't get you high seems like its purely about getting stoned. </div></div>


Well I don't know what the percentages are but I would guess that ~80% the users are just in it for the high. The flip side is that buying weed in the raw form is a lot cheaper than buying the CBD extract so it's kind of a toss up.

My main problem with this whole debate is that I don't see why the government is involved in it at all. I don't smoke weed because I don't want to, not because the government made it illegal...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if the lab geeks came up with a pill, elixir, or inhaler with active ingredients derived from pot that had the effects and purported benefits, would there still be this big push to legalize mary jane in one fashion or another?
What's the problem with having a prescription in a form other than 'buds'? I'll tell you the problem, it's the fact that it's not that 'purple sticky punch plant' (yes thats a Bio-Dome quote), medical marijuana is just part of a deviant counter culture disguised under a white lab coat.

I know there are a million different angles one can take on the subject pros/cons and the like, this is just my opinion, but I'd be willing to be that if medical marijuana went out the door because an alternate form was available, the general consensus would probably be "it's just not the same man"... </div></div>
There already is, and has been pharmacutical THC available by Rx for about 15 years. But that is ordered and actually prescribed by real doctors in specific doses for specific problems, and not the bullshit that the "Medical Marijuana" industry has become, selling weed to anybody and flouting federal law.
How would you feel if th guy who put the wheel bearings on your daughter's car was stoned, or the guy who read you wife's mamogram was high? On Medical marijuana of course? How about your lawyer, or accountant? Do you want your heart surgeon getting high to steady his nerves before he does your angioplasty or valve replacement?
How about your coworkers? Do you want the guy operating the high crane on madical marijuana? How about the welder on the natural gas pipeline going by your house? How about the guy inspecting the bridge for corrosion? Your airline pilots? The air traffic controller? Those are stressful jobs, and they got anxiety, and a MM Rx.
How about your employees? What about the guy driving the big rig on the turnpike beside, or behind you?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How would you feel if th guy who put the wheel bearings on your daughter's car was stoned, or the guy who read you wife's mamogram was high? On Medical marijuana of course? How about your lawyer, or accountant? Do you want your heart surgeon getting high to steady his nerves before he does your angioplasty or valve replacement?
How about your coworkers? Do you want the guy operating the high crane on madical marijuana? How about the welder on the natural gas pipeline going by your house? How about the guy inspecting the bridge for corrosion? Your airline pilots? The air traffic controller? Those are stressful jobs, and they got anxiety, and a MM Rx.
How about your employees? What about the guy driving the big rig on the turnpike beside, or behind you? </div></div>

All of those jobs you mentioned have countless workers who drink...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How would you feel if th guy who put the wheel bearings on your daughter's car was stoned, or the guy who read you wife's mamogram was high? On Medical marijuana of course? How about your lawyer, or accountant? Do you want your heart surgeon getting high to steady his nerves before he does your angioplasty or valve replacement?
How about your coworkers? Do you want the guy operating the high crane on madical marijuana? How about the welder on the natural gas pipeline going by your house? How about the guy inspecting the bridge for corrosion? Your airline pilots? The air traffic controller? Those are stressful jobs, and they got anxiety, and a MM Rx.
How about your employees? What about the guy driving the big rig on the turnpike beside, or behind you? </div></div>

All of those jobs you mentioned have countless workers who drink...</div></div>

That is true. I wonder what the percentage is of people who use prescription pain meds on the job as opposed to drinking (not talking about ONE at lunch either).
Just because someone drinks does not mean they are drinking on the job, but if my back hurts I take an asprin, what does someone who uses pot for medicinal purposes do? I am pretty sure they would light up if "it's the only thing that helps man..."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pizzamanny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe Americans should be free to do what they want if not harming someone else or violating another persons rights. </div></div>

YES!!! That's the Constitutionally correct view. The rest with their 'hippie' comments would do well to pull their heads out of their asses and learn what it means to give people freedom of choice to what they want.

</div></div>

CHA-FUCKING-CHING
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pizzamanny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe Americans should be free to do what they want if not harming someone else or violating another persons rights. </div></div>

YES!!! That's the Constitutionally correct view. The rest with their 'hippie' comments would do well to pull their heads out of their asses and learn what it means to give people freedom of choice to what they want.

</div></div>
Your loony ideology rates a Tab, or Badge, or Beret, from Ron Paul for you disregard of consequences.
 
#39
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

Who among us does not have a habit/hobby that someone else would like to make illegal?

I no smoke/drink, but I could not give one shit if any of you like to get high and watch gay-farm-porn while cleaning your select-fire AR or grenade launcher. None of my business.
 
#40
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

Thanks for all the replys. Maybe those who have gone off on a tangent should re-read the orignial post. This is to get information from and to design a programs to serve VETERANS. If you are not a vet than have some restraint and respect and don't take the survey.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe Americans should be free to do what they want if not harming someone else or violating another persons rights.</div></div> The voice of reason.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You don't believe me? Maybe I have a tin-foil hat on now but time will tell</div></div>

You mean like this, http://usawatchdog.com/national-defense-...nate-bill-1867/ or this; http://www.infowars.com/detention-camp-order-follows-preparations-for-civil-unrest/ or this: Army Posts Job for “Internment Specialist” Following KBR Call for FEMA Camp Subcontractors

But those rules don't apply to you and those camps are for “terrorists”. Right, people with multiple guns, stores of ammo and more than 7 days worth of food.

If your worried is taking a survey is going to get BB after you. Stop to think. You are on a forum called Snipers Hide. They already have your number brother….

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a disgrace to the Medical Community. </div></div>
Actually the American Medical Association has agreed that marijuana should be deregulated so that there can be more research done on its medicinal uses.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But there are many instances where marijuana is much preferred to the highly addictive opiates drug companies make millions off of every year. It all goes back to who's making money off of the alternatives to marijuana... Big Pharma.</div></div>

This spring the patent on Marinol (chemical THC) expired. The federal government has authorized 52 different pharmacies to begin production on ORGANIC Marinol (read hash) because there are 68 different chemicals in marijuana and they work differently than just THC. So that is where the money is going. Big pharm will put this into a pill and then all of those people who will only do what the Federal gov. dictates are safe from the hippies trying to advance their socialist agenda.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tried to do the survey but it cut me off half way through, I don't think it liked my non hippie answers

Did the same thing to me. I think there will be a definite skew in the statistical results of this "survey".

Seeing as how some got kicked out with negative response to weed thought i would do a little test. First time through answered aginst weed made it 5 questions next time in favor of it and got all the way through. That might have an effect on end statistics i think.

The post should be pulled and the OP banned if this true.
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This is a survey of attitudes and use. The survey closing down does not skew the data. If you state that marijuana should be illegal then the survey closes. There is no more information to be gathered. If you go on to respond that you use it recreationally it will stay open until you answer questions related to why you use it. And finally if you have a diagnosis, it asks more questions that are intended to help with program development. If you misrepresent yourself (lie) just to see what the survey does then you are intentionally skewing the survey. This is intended to gather information to help with program development and veterans attitudes towards marijuana. It is <span style="font-weight: bold">not</span> intended to open up a debate about legalizing pot, pushing some “hippy” socialist agenda. It is ultimately about setting up a way to help veterans cope and to ultimately minimize their use of marijuana. I agreed to take this on because it is not just a bunch of stoners trying to keep their weed. I am gathering information so that I can develop a program that will combine education, support groups and activities (shooting included!) for Vets.

What is clear to me is that in trying to hear from a more conservative audience I have opened an irrational discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the survey. I understand that it may be difficult for some of you to wrap your head around.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why allow yourself to be used as a tool for a group that is looking to strip your rights? </div></div>

Who do you think is trying to strip your rights? Veterans who smoke pot? <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Really?</span></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I don't know what the percentages are but I would guess that ~80% the users are just in it for the high. </div></div>

The rough percentage is about 40% of the people with access use for either pain or mood and anxiety disorders. Everyone else is in the “Dude I’ve got a hangnail” category.
 
#41
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

Veterans already have Federal and State agencies to give them the attention they need. They don't need any pushers trying to advance the Agendas of the Communist left or the Ron Paul Loons by encouraging them to use illegal drugs, so beat it and go back to your Brokeback Mountain Drug Cooperative.
Medical THC is already available from doctors, by prescrition, and is ordered when appropriate. "Recommendations" from doctors who write without justification carry no authority, are not prescriptions, and any "Clinic" selling weed is violating the Federal Drug Laws as well as State Laws. All proceeds will be confiscated under RICO statutes. All owners, operatorers, and employees will be jailed for trafficing.
Trying to advance your pothead agenda by using veterans is disgraceful. Go fuck yourself. Exploiting Veterans with your bullshit is not acceptable conduct, and would know that if you weren't high, and were a vet yourself.
 
#42
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

I think your voice has been heard loud and clear. I have been asked to set this up by the VETERANS THEMSELVES. My agenda is not relevant. I'll pass your message along to the VFW and the folks in the group.

Thank you.
 
#43
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

If your worried is taking a survey is going to get BB after you. Stop to think. You are on a forum called Snipers Hide. They already have your number brother….

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Thats why i like this site most of the time bullshit like this does not make it on here brother.
 
#44
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think your voice has been heard loud and clear. I have been asked to set this up by the VETERANS THEMSELVES. My agenda is not relevant. I'll pass your message along to the VFW and the folks in the group.

Thank you. </div></div>
You are trying to exploit veterans to advance your pro drug agenda and profit from making them drug dependant. Take a hike. Fuck You, you sick bastard. You come to my VFW or MCL posts with your bullshit we'll put you in a hole.
 
#45
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

I'll take that as a threat. Nice. From the safely of your computer you are threatening a complete stranger because you don't see eye to eye? Pretty tough.

You seem to miss the point. I was ASKED. I am trying to get folks to use LESS pot, NOT more.
 
#46
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

I've watched you run your suck using some of the most ignorant logic imaginable, but, dude, I've been in the VA system since early 2009. Allow me to share my experiences regarding that topic, et al:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veterans already have Federal and State agencies to give them the attention they need.

<span style="color: #FF0000">And they pretty much suck. I don't really talk about it, but, I was medically retired for PTSD in early 2009. In that time, I have run the gamut from "whatcha got for me, Doc?" to "Doc, please, no more PTSD or depression meds. They ruin my day. I just want to sleep, can we go that route?" to "Doc, you said you prescribed a sleeping pill, and I said I didn't want PTSD meds, but when I looked up the pill on the internet, I discovered it's a PTSD med. One of its side effects is drowsiness, yes, but you fucking lied to me" to "I'm never going to the VA again. They're incompetent, they lie, they work on an assembly line model, etc". The absolute LAST thing that veterans needs is ANOTHER government entity taking care of them. What this guy is trying to do, is work with the VFW at their request because the VFW has obviously noticed an uptick in young and old vets alike using marijuana and not the VA pill pushers (and believe you me, they PUSH those pills. </span>



They don't need any pushers trying to advance the Agendas of the Communist left or the Ron Paul Loons by encouraging them to use illegal drugs, so beat it and go back to your Brokeback Mountain Drug Cooperative.

<span style="color: #FF0000">
1) There are illegal drugs used EVERY DAY which are perfectly "legal". In fact, the Army's real problem, particularly in the WTU, is abuse of prescription drugs. It comes in the semantics of prescribed and used in accordance vs prescribed and not use in accordance. Illegal use of drugs is certainly "different" than illegal drugs being used, but where is the difference in what makes what legal? In this case, it would be the difference in what is making the drug legal or illegal in society, under the jurisdiction of government enacting and upholding a law. In the case of "legal" and "prescribed", it is the broad-brush legality as recognized at an institutional level. But, possession is not always legal, nor is manner of use.

2) Now, with cannabis, it is illegal at an institutional federal level, but perfectly legal in the states which have voted, for one reason or another, to legalize it.


I must ask you, sir, have you read the U.S. Constitution? Seen videos of actual pilots ejecting in ww2 and using their parachutes?

You might be surprised to learn that our own U.S. Constitution was written on hemp paper. You'd probably also be surprised that a good many of the important men who formed and signed it grew hemp. I would not be surprised if they also smoked it, as many have suggested. In the pilots' parachutes, in ww2, there was hemp material in there.

The anti-Hemp lobby was purely political in nature.

Hemp, under the modern technological advances, is insanely more cost efficient than cotton and in many ways- lumber headed to the paper mills.


I could go on and on, but, I'm really addressing the non-drug uses.

At the end of the day, he is doing this with/for the VFW in his area. "His" VFW and "Your" VFW might do things differently, I dunno. I would venture to guess that "His" VFW is indeed trying to reach/understand/help "their" veterans. Particularly since there is a major push throughout the VFW and other "old guy" vet organizations to bring in the new vets. Those older vets want to make sure we young bucks aren't led astray in more ways than one. Ergo, a study on pot for the sole purpose of better reaching the new, young vets in an area where medical marijuana is readily available and is often, I guess, chosen in lieu of yet another go-round with Dr.-What-The-Fuck-Can-I-Give-You-To-Make-You-A-Zombie-For-Days at the VA. Dr. WTF..., in my experience, is the true threat to the vets.


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<span style="color: #000066">Medical THC is already available from doctors, by prescrition, and is ordered when appropriate.</span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">How? Marijuana is a Schedule 1 narcotic, as classified. That means no medical benefit can derive from it.



here is the DEA website: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/index.html

and their definition of a Schedule 1-

QUOTE:
"Schedule I Controlled Substances

Substances in this schedule have a high potential for abuse,<span style="font-weight: bold"> have no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and there is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.</span>

Some examples of substances listed in schedule I are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), <span style="font-weight: bold">marijuana (cannabis)</span>, peyote, methaqualone, and 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (“ecstasy”).
"
Catch that? NO ACCEPTED MEDICAL USE. That, friends, is a contradiction in what is being claimed elsewhere, i.e. medically "safe" pills of medical "THC" (Which, dude, you obviously didn't listen to High Binder, nor do you even know how ignorant you are of the chemical reality of marijuana, which extends way, way beyond THC.)

Furthermore, it seems someone, perhaps a Big Pharma lobbyist, secured a dispensation for these medical tests? If medical/laboratory work is being done on the evil weed, then, I guess the DEA is the one lying. Fucking Feds, always lying. *pout*


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"Recommendations" from doctors who write without justification carry no authority, are not prescriptions, and any "Clinic" selling weed is violating the Federal Drug Laws as well as State Laws.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> In order for the doctors to be advertising these services, and for shops to be blatantly open and advertising, contrary to state law, leaves us with but 2 options:

1) The police are on the take, as are all important persons in state and local government.

2) You just possibly made the most retarded statement of the year in its own inherent contradictory nature.

Reality check: 1...2...3... BOOM! They operate under state law, as they operate under lawful provisions for these transactions to take place. In the case of Colorado, it's actually an amendment to the Colorado State Constitution. As such, they have a regulatory body set up which, I guess, takes applications along with doctor notes or something to determine if one is, in fact, eligible under the provisions set forth by a state medical advisory board.

Otherwise, if it were, ya know, illegal and all, it seems pretty fucking retarded to deal with drug dealers who just want to make sure their clients truly need their wares. Yeah, I'll go with option 2.

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All proceeds will be confiscated under RICO statutes. All owners, operatorers, and employees will be jailed for trafficing.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Trying to advance your pothead agenda by using veterans is disgraceful.</span> Go fuck yourself. Exploiting Veterans with your bullshit is not acceptable conduct, <span style="font-weight: bold">and would know that if you weren't high, and were a vet yourself</span>.

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Dude, maybe YOU should smoke some weed. Sheesh. Simmer Down na...

He isn't trying to advance his pothead agenda, which apparently you insist on ascribing to him despite protestations on the contrary. Distasteful, given you give nothing but vague ethical platitudes as a buttress to your argument. An argument levied by inherently contradictory phrases which causes one to believe if it is in fact you with an agenda tainted by chemical influence.

He is trying to understand the veteran culture, its use or non-use of marijuana, and how a treatment modality might be constructed at the request of a veteran organization. Do you want someone to draw a picture so you fucking get it?

And, I am a vet, and I'm not high... but I'm also not an ignorant ideologue who can't recognize that these things are happening, and they should be better understood for the improvement of future reaction to phenomena in the GWOT Vet milieu, including self-treatment.

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#47
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and would know that if you weren't high, and were a vet yourself. </div></div>

Not all vets support the position you've adopted in this debate.
 
#48
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

Everyone needs to calm down and stop with the threats and name callings. If you don't have an opinion then don't post. It can be a positive or negative opinion but do it with some tact and don't attack or threaten anyone.

If not the bannings will continue.
 
#49
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

My late mother was against the evil weed when I was a kid. When Brownie Mary was busted, she decided that weed wasn't so bad since she was Director of Nurcing for Hospice and tended a multitude of terminally ill patients with cancer, aids, and otehr issues(She was patient to her own who she trained at the end as well, Thank You ladies). I watched her grow a 'hedge' ten feet thick and six feet tall for cookies one year.
With the knowledge of what the stuff does, I have no real issue with it so long as it is for medicinal reasons and not used by miscreants who are on public assistance.
For me, it's a choice to not play with it. If it helped me retain memory better and assisted me into getting better grades though, I would be all over it. Funny thing is, I see kids getting A's and B's while stoned out of their gourds so it MUST work! I'll take my B's and C's just the same though and ride clear headed.
I took the survey. Added a few questions. As to the stoppage after five or so questions, these assist the poll in accuracy on the AGAINST. Taking the poll twice and answering differently voids the information by skewing it one way or the other on teh Bell curve(yeah, I leanred THAT in Enhanced Statistics last year)

PS I wouldn't get involved with a VFW that had a basic KKK style stance like ...run. Probably filled with wife beaters and animal kickers too
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#50
Re: Veterans and Medical Marijuana Survey.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My late mother was against the evil weed when I was a kid. When Brownie Mary was busted, she decided that weed wasn't so bad since she was Director of Nurcing for Hospice and tended a multitude of terminally ill patients with cancer, aids, and otehr issues(She was patient to her own who she trained at the end as well, Thank You ladies). I watched her grow a 'hedge' ten feet thick and six feet tall for cookies one year.
With the knowledge of what the stuff does, I have no real issue with it so long as it is for medicinal reasons and not used by miscreants who are on public assistance.
For me, it's a choice to not play with it. If it helped me retain memory better and assisted me into getting better grades though, I would be all over it. Funny thing is, I see kids getting A's and B's while stoned out of their gourds so it MUST work! I'll take my B's and C's just the same though and ride clear headed.
I took the survey. Added a few questions. As to the stoppage after five or so questions, these assist the poll in accuracy on the AGAINST. Taking the poll twice and answering differently voids the information by skewing it one way or the other on teh Bell curve(yeah, I leanred THAT in Enhanced Statistics last year)

PS I wouldn't get involved with a VFW that had a basic KKK style stance like ...run. Probably filled with wife beaters and animal kickers too
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Well said, James. For anyone interested in how medicinal this stuff can be, do a You Tube search of Rick Simpson and 'cannibas cures cancer'. Also look at the Triplett vidieo on his curing skin cancer with the oil. It works.
 
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