VMT - Not a fan...

[QuickNDirty]

http://fortune.com/2018/02/21/trump-mileage-tax-public-infrastructure/

The Trump Administration highlighted Oregon’s mileage tax initiative as an example of the kinds of fees that could be used to pay for improving roads, highways, and other public infrastructure—a signal that the president endorses an idea that many fellow Republicans oppose.

https://www.wired.com/story/gas-tax-vmt-toll-road/

In 2011, the RAND Corporation released a research brief that outlined how “rates could be structured to help reduce congestion and harmful emissions, metering devices could provide value-added services (e.g., safety alerts, real-time traffic information and routing assistance, and the ability to save money with pay-as-you-drive insurance), and the system could generate rich travel data for improved transportation planning.”

 

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fuck....that.....shit.

1) i pay enough in taxes...im not paying any more.

2) no way in fuck im letting the govt track me.....that tracking device would be ripped out and smashed....

 

[demolitionman]

This is fucked. Mileage tax. Jesus. Tell me he's schmoozing over the libs while laughing behind their backs about this actually happening.

 

[DuneBoer]

That’s fine for someone on the west side of the state. If I drive to the South end of my county and back home it’s over 300 miles. If want to make a Costco run it’s 260. Good way to fuck the rural folk.

 

[MtnCreek]

I'm OK with toll roads; let the people that use the road pay for it. I'm not putting any electronic gadget in my truck though.

 

[QuickNDirty]

That’s fine for someone on the west side of the state. If I drive to the South end of my county and back home it’s over 300 miles. If want to make a Costco run it’s 260. Good way to fuck the rural folk.

Yep, that costco run using 1.7 cents for the VMT and 18 cents for the current gas tax has the VMT being about $4.42 and the gas tax being about $3.

Now it'd be really shitty if they left the gas tax in, which would make it nearly $8 just to drive 260 miles.

Also not gonna install (and certainly not going to pay for voluntarily) a GPS tracker on any of my vehicles.

 

[MtnCreek]

Something needs to be done about the elec car folks driving their taxpayer subsidized car around on roads they aren't paying for.

 

[pmclaine]

Where is the money going that is supposed to be used to pay for this shit in the first place?

 

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Where is the money going that is supposed to be used to pay for this shit in the first place?

Your local welfare office, "foreign aid", and your elected officials pockets.

Just like the mbta, "oh we need to raise the price to do improvements to the trains" ......yet the trains seem to run worse and worse so im not sure what improvements theyve been doing

Union bribes and parking lot attendants 6 figure salaries im sure

 

[2ndamendfan]

Something needs to be done about the elec car folks driving their taxpayer subsidized car around on roads they aren't paying for.

EXACTLY. Back in the 80's there was no state fuel tax on diesel. This was to keep shipping cheap and personal diesel owner ship was less than 3% at the time. Buy 1989 diesel ownership had risen to about 15% and the same argument caused the gas tax to be added to diesel fuel. Next came propane/natural gas. It took about a decade to get a "road tax" added to those fuels.
Natural gas uses a special filler fitting so if you use a pump that has that fitting it is taxed (vs home use). Propane if the tank is permanently mounted in the vehicle it gets taxed.
It would be easy to do that with electric vehicles.

 

[2ndamendfan]

There is no fucking way, i repeat NO FUCKING WAY. Iam mounting or allowed to be mounted a government tracking device on my vehicles. My car insurance offers a discount for such a thing and I told them to take that device and shove it.

 

[QuickNDirty]

There is no fucking way, i repeat NO FUCKING WAY. Iam mounting or allowed to be mounted a government tracking device on my vehicles. My car insurance offers a discount for such a thing and I told them to take that device and shove it.

Hello 2ndamendfan,

We've learned from our VMT compliance office that you've refused the GPS tracking device which helps cut down on emissions and wear and tear on our roads by tracking your daily routes and optimizing them and enables fast and accurate billing for your use our of infrastructure. As a result of this, we've determined you to mentally unfit to own weapons in accordance with the System for Law enforcement and Academia to Verify Extremist behavior act and have been dispatched to confiscate your weapons. Please step outside with your hands up while we conduct our investigation.

 

[shipereyes445]

Ain’t nobody tracking me and taking more of my money, I really need an offshore bank account

 

[MtnCreek]

Very considerate of them to line up like that.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Ain’t nobody tracking me and taking more of my money, I really need an offshore bank account

If you read the article I posted about cash going away, there's a section in there where Obama is on a mission to get world-wide cooperation to learn, monitor, and tax, on a global scale (via a global minimum tax) for wealth stored any-damn-where in the world. Basically forming a coalition of banks that share information about who has what in terms of wealth and assets.

 

[shipereyes445]

If you read the article I posted about cash going away, there's a section in there where Obama is on a mission to get world-wide cooperation to learn, monitor, and tax, on a global scale (via a global minimum tax) for wealth stored any-damn-where in the world. Basically forming a coalition of banks that share information about who has what in terms of wealth and assets.

I will take my time to go through the article properly, back to Obama the good for nothing sentimental allowed to be a president. His likes will never sit at the Oval Office again. They almost drained this country. Suck the economy dry. People loosing jobs faster than you can say rip-van-winckle. What do we do about the dems, obama and Hillary ? They are constantly up to something

 

[Rthur]

EXACTLY. Back in the 80's there was no state fuel tax on diesel. This was to keep shipping cheap and personal diesel owner ship was less than 3% at the time. Buy 1989 diesel ownership had risen to about 15% and the same argument caused the gas tax to be added to diesel fuel. Next came propane/natural gas. It took about a decade to get a "road tax" added to those fuels.
Natural gas uses a special filler fitting so if you use a pump that has that fitting it is taxed (vs home use). Propane if the tank is permanently mounted in the vehicle it gets taxed.
It would be easy to do that with electric vehicles.

They pulled that shit on field equipment as well.
Something that spends 1% of it's life on the road if that.

R

 

[QuickNDirty]

I will take my time to go through the article properly, back to Obama the good for nothing sentimental allowed to be a president. His likes will never sit at the Oval Office again. They almost drained this country. Suck the economy dry. People loosing jobs faster than you can say rip-van-winckle. What do we do about the dems, obama and Hillary ? They are constantly up to something

Yep, Obama just said to the radical gun children 'we've been waiting for you. We've got your backs '

 

[2ndamendfan]

They pulled that shit on field equipment as well.
Something that spends 1% of it's life on the road if that.

R

We have "off road diesel" for farm/construction equipment. it is about $0.20 cheaper. which is weird since the state tax on diesel is $0.28. It is dyed red. the local air force base uses diesel dyed purple. Every couple years your hear about someone who is stopped at the gate leaving the base and fuel checked. If it is purple your in trouble.

 

[2ndamendfan]

Hello 2ndamendfan,

We've learned from our VMT compliance office that you've refused the GPS tracking device which helps cut down on emissions and wear and tear on our roads by tracking your daily routes and optimizing them and enables fast and accurate billing for your use our of infrastructure. As a result of this, we've determined you to mentally unfit to own weapons in accordance with the System for Law enforcement and Academia to Verify Extremist behavior act and have been dispatched to confiscate your weapons. Please step outside with your hands up while we conduct our investigation.

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You coming over for coffee that morning? should be a good show.

 

[shipereyes445]

Yep, Obama just said to the radical gun children 'we've been waiting for you. We've got your backs '

Kids are the worst, they we all go back home when Kim Kardashian nude pictures leak. Obama is a fool.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Carbon tax in a sexy nightie. Stuff it.

 

[cnwrobb]

Just say this VMT goes national, who gets to foot the bill for State and Federal Cars, police vehicles, municipal ambulances, school buses, fire trucks? And you can bet if it does happen, we will get stuck with this with even more taxes. Utility vehicles if taxed, will add to our electric, gas, internet and other services. When will this ever end?

 

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Just say this VMT goes national, who gets to foot the bill for State and Federal Cars, police vehicles, municipal ambulances, school buses, fire trucks? And you can bet if it does happen, we will get stuck with this with even more taxes. Utility vehicles if taxed, will add to our electric, gas, internet and other services. When will this ever end?

With communism....

They want your entire earnings....and will dole out what they deem necessary.

Its for our good afterall