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Haven't heard of anything but with Vortex it could be possible. Let them know you want it. They listen to the customers.
How do we do that? I would pay cash money for 4-16 AMG with this reticle, or a Razor Gen 2 3-18x with this reticle...that weighed 30 oz.
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But why not just get the 6-24x AMG? The 2x on the bottom is nothing and you get more higher power if needed. Just dial down. It's a nice light package now.
Good info Nate. I too have spoken with Dave and just want to stress that the 7B will be out in the Gen II but not anytime soon so to all wanting the combo you will have to wait unfortunately. Vortex knows you want it so emails and calls for it won't be needed as it will come but not in the near future. Putting it in the Gen II is not as easy as a swap as the scopes are completely different and it can't be done. It will come though.
Fursniper I like the number close to the reticle myself. Allows for quick slide down the reticle to where I need to be for elevation hold and then over to hold wind if needed. No need to look far out and then back in to reticle. Also the numbers are right in the .4 mil mark area and you use it like any of the dots so they serve a purpose.
I messaged Dave about it and he replied, I'll paste it below. Hopefully they do end up releasing it for the Razor Gen 2 because I'd be very interested in swapping over to it.
Hi Nate,
Unfortunately reticles are not swappable from one scope to another. We only have the EBR-7B for the Razor AMG 6-24x50 created. The physical reticle glass (substrate) is not the same size as the Razor Gen II and also the objective focal lengths are not the same between the scopes which means the sizing of the reticle features for the AMG will not work in the Gen II Razor.
With that said we may have the EBR-7B in the Razor Gen II at some point in the future. There are a few reasons that are proprietary that we may wait a little while before releasing it in the Razor Gen II and I cannot speak to that timeline right now. When it is released we can do a swap for the reticle for a fee. I don't know what the fee is. I will have to talk to our sales department to find out. Keep an eye out for when we release it for the Razor Gen II and then we can talk about it. Thanks
Dave
I have two AMGs and I'm interested in changing from the EBR7 to the new 7B. Could you please keep me updated of your findings?Okay, I'm interpreting the following conversation as "can I have the new AMG EBR-7B reticle put in a Razor Gen 2" with the reply from Dave that it "will not work in the Razor Gen 2" because of size, etc..
Now the question that remains is: "can the new AMG EBR-7B be swapped out with the original AMG EBR-7 reticle"?
Guess I have to call Dave...
Good info Nate. I too have spoken with Dave and just want to stress that the 7B will be out in the Gen II but not anytime soon so to all wanting the combo you will have to wait unfortunately. Vortex knows you want it so emails and calls for it won't be needed as it will come but not in the near future. Putting it in the Gen II is not as easy as a swap as the scopes are completely different and it can't be done. It will come though.
Fursniper I like the number close to the reticle myself. Allows for quick slide down the reticle to where I need to be for elevation hold and then over to hold wind if needed. No need to look far out and then back in to reticle. Also the numbers are right in the .4 mil mark area and you use it like any of the dots so they serve a purpose.
I have two AMGs and I'm interested in changing from the EBR7 to the new 7B. Could you please keep me updated of your findings?
Thanks!
Thanks Sig Marine I think they will have a costumer this new year.Just got off the phone with Travis at Vortex. This information applies ONLY to AMG scopes: the old EBR-7 reticle CAN be swapped out to the new EBR-7B. The service will start around the first of the year and cost $300.
Good info! I think i will be holding out and trying to get a razor gen 2 with the new reticle.
Rob, are we talking like several years or maybe just a year or so? I shoot the 2c in my razor hd gen 1 and i like it but i was wanting to try a floating dot with my next vortex. I shot with a floating dot reticle in a friends khales and kinda liked it.
I love floating center dot reticles in general, but have been really happy with the EBR-7 so far, not sure if I would switch, but I like that Vortex is offering both now for the AMG. Hoping to see a 4.5-18x50 AMG introduced at SHOT, but more likely it will be a 4-16 which doesn't interest me as much, and if Vortex could do a 5-20x50 short AMG, they would get my money in a heartbeat
I think it looks like a lot of overkill to me. And I get overkill, I run an H59, so I'm used to a busy reticle. But this one has a lot of things I have no use for and is missing things I do.
I don't see the reason to go to .1 mil increments past 4 mils windage or hold under. Especially another 4 mils of .1's. That's a lot of .1 measurement, but it's way out beyond where you would need it. I understand having a vertical and horizontal section of .1's for mil ranging, which is very rare. But needing more than 2 mils of that measuring space means the target is as big as a barn door or closer than you need to measure. And it doesn't need to be on both sides of the crosshair. It makes the reticle look cluttered.
And I like the floating dot, but if they wanted a workhorse reticle then they should have made the 1, 2, 3, 4 mil holdovers, etc, floating dots as well. And in lieu of all those aforementioned .1 increments, .2 increments on the verticle line would see FAR more usage. And why a .5 increment hanging below the horizontal line when you already have .2's on top? I think most folks can hold between .4 and .6 for a workable .5. If they wanted to indicate .5's, they should have done them down in the holdover grid in between the full mil horizontal lines. Something to help with holdovers combined with windage holds.
It looks like they wanted a busy reticle, but to me, ended up with a bunch of useless stuff. And left out some very useful stuff.
But reticles are a very personal thing. I know what I have a use for and what I dont, and everyone is different. So just my humble opinion.
I think it looks like a lot of overkill to me. And I get overkill, I run an H59, so I'm used to a busy reticle. But this one has a lot of things I have no use for and is missing things I do.
I don't see the reason to go to .1 mil increments past 4 mils windage or hold under. Especially another 4 mils of .1's. That's a lot of .1 measurement, but it's way out beyond where you would need it. I understand having a vertical and horizontal section of .1's for mil ranging, which is very rare. But needing more than 2 mils of that measuring space means the target is as big as a barn door or closer than you need to measure. And it doesn't need to be on both sides of the crosshair. It makes the reticle look cluttered. And I also dislike the numbers right next to the vertical line. That's space with a number stamped on it instead of useable increments.
And I like the floating dot, but if they wanted a workhorse reticle then they should have made the 1, 2, 3, 4 mil holdovers, etc, floating dots as well. And in lieu of all those aforementioned .1 increments, .2 increments on the verticle line would see FAR more usage. And why a .5 increment hanging below the horizontal line when you already have .2's on top? I think most folks can hold between .4 and .6 for a workable .5. If they wanted to indicate .5's, they should have done them down in the holdover grid in between the full mil horizontal lines. Something to help with holdovers combined with windage holds.
It looks like they wanted a busy reticle, but to me, ended up with a bunch of useless stuff. And left out some very useful stuff.
But reticles are a very personal thing. I know what I have a use for and what I dont, and everyone is different. So just my humble opinion.
The .1 mil marks are for ranging and they are there for more space depending on FOV as if zoomed in you won't have all the marks to see or if you don't want to be looking at the way outer edge. Also nothing says you can't use them for normal holds for wind or hold unders either. They have uses.
You need to look at the reticle again. There are no .2 marks above the horizontal. .5 above and below for holds along with the .1 marks above. With practice a proficent marksman can make a .1 mil hold with a .5 mark as a mild mark. Like holding 1.1 or 1.3 etc. It's pretty simple with practice. Doesn't have to be on either side of the .5 marks. The only .2 mils marks are on the horizontal for wind or mover holds. As far as dots at every mil mark that would be a little over kill.
That reticle is very close to the 7 which is a very useful reticle. Nothing busy or useless. It all has a use.
And you call the 7B busy but use this? LOL
Yeah, but the H59 is designed to actually be useful.....
send them an email with your ideas. Supposedly they listen to the community. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 6-30x.
And the 7 or 7B aren't useful? Come on. The 2C is very useful and these just add .2 marks on the horizontal and a small crosshair or dot. Basically the same after that. Try a good hold under with that H59. Hows that work out? LOL Not very useful.
I know you hate the numbers in the .4 mil hold mark but as I said before I like them as they are quick to reference for a hold. Personal preference but don't expect them to be moved anytime soon.
Yep! A 4-16 AMG with this reticle would get my money, that is if I ever get my hands on some more of it
Thanks guys! We definitely try to take everyone's feedback and apply it the best we can. There are a lot of forces behind the scenes that drive reticle design that I will not address publicly. It certainly is not because we aren't listening. In fact many of us here at Vortex are shooters and express the same "wants" in reticle design, as well, so we are well aware. However, sometimes there are things that we just cannot do. Again, I won't address why publicly. Many of the design ideas mentioned we can implement and we have taken note. While there are many, many different opinions on reticle design out there we will continue to take your suggestions and incorporate them into reticles that will make as many people as happy as we can. Thank you for the feedback!
Dave
The .1 mil marks are for ranging and they are there for more space depending on FOV as if zoomed in you won't have all the marks to see or if you don't want to be looking at the way outer edge. Also nothing says you can't use them for normal holds for wind or hold unders either. They have uses.
You need to look at the reticle again. There are no .2 marks above the horizontal. .5 above and below for holds along with the .1 marks above. With practice a proficent marksman can make a .1 mil hold with a .5 mark as a mild mark. Like holding 1.1 or 1.3 etc. It's pretty simple with practice. Doesn't have to be on either side of the .5 marks. The only .2 mils marks are on the horizontal for wind or mover holds. As far as dots at every mil mark that would be a little over kill.
That reticle is very close to the 7 which is a very useful reticle. Nothing busy or useless. It all has a use. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/EfSbsVy.jpg"}[/IMG2]
And you call the 7B busy but use this? LOL [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/joohnchoe.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/h59_reticle.jpg"}[/IMG2]
And the 7 or 7B aren't useful? Come on. The 2C is very useful and these just add .2 marks on the horizontal and a small crosshair or dot. Basically the same after that. Try a good hold under with that H59. Hows that work out? LOL Not very useful.
I know you hate the numbers in the .4 mil hold mark but as I said before I like them as they are quick to reference for a hold. Personal preference but don't expect them to be moved anytime soon.
Yes, I did say "I am used to a busy reticle". But the H59 is usefully busy. Sure there are some unnecessary components that I don't use, but the grid itself is spot on. I simply disagree that all those .1 increments have any use. Yes, you need some, I'm just saying there is way more there than you need or will use. I've done a fair share of mil ranging and I simply have never encountered a scenario where I would have needed all that. So it clutters up the reticle with thick lines. It almost looks to me like they put it in there because they think it looks cool.
And the horizontal definitely has .2 mil increments for wind above the line, with an additional .5 hanging below out to 4 mils, so I'm not sure what you're talking about here. But I'm not trying to be argumentative. It's just my opinion that they put a lot of detail in areas where it's less useful. Having used my Horus to do a lot of holds and less dialing, I know that when you are trying to make a shot that requires 1.7 mils elevation and .6 wind, that's suddenly a very empty space in your reticle. Having .2 increments going down your vertical line and .5 marks hanging .5 down between the full mil lines and .5 left and right on the grid are incredibly useful. As well as the increment lines themselves on the grid protruding .2 above and below each line, reducing the empty space and thus reducing the guesswork. Aim small, miss small.
Again, just my two bits. Not trying to beat anyone up, just providing feedback based on my experiences, what I have used, and would like to see.
Edit; This is actually my reticle. A slight variant with a floating dot crosshair, finer lines, and an added hold under component. If it weren't for the flash milling 2/4/6/8/10 lines, I would honestly say I use every single part of this reticle.
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Rob, my mistake, in rereading your post I realized you were referring to hold unders and my brain read "hold overs". Duh, my mistake. You are absolutely correct that the H59 is pretty worthless for holding under by much. Although, the only time I can remember using a hold under is when I didn't have enough scope elevation shooting ELR and was forced to use the reticle (on a different reticle of course). Now I make sure I have enough rail for the job! Seems like it would be a moot point for normal distances though. Anyway, you got me on that one lol. I'll stick to my guns on the other points though. ...
No problem. I use hold unders at matches a lot when you have multiple targets and you dial a mid range data on the scope and then hold over and under to speed up the time needed for all the shots. You can get more shots in that way when not having to reach up to dial. Also some matches are set up where you dial in a mid range and do the holds. The H59 would be less than ideal for that.