Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action
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I’m trying to figure out why the direction makes a difference for carbon going down the barrel while cleaning? And “if it happened to get knocked off in the cleaning process”? Isn’t knocking carbon off kinda the point of cleaning?
Not pushing it down the damn barrel. You do know carbon is the hardest substance on earth right. What happens if you keep pushing it down the barrel? You guys are unbelievable. Do you think I make this shit up? I shoot with the best shooters this planet has to offer and this is what they do. Like I said take it as you will cause obviously you guys know it all already. Lmfao
So push bad but pull good to get the same substance out of the same barrel?
My only thought is that most of the carbon in the barrel is near the ignition of the round so going from muzzle to breach would push a lot less carbon than going from breach to muzzle.
I was trying to understand that also. Is there no chance debris from the carbon ring would get dragged down the bore between cleanings? Make no sense at all...that's why I put turbo on the "ignore" option. Duder tries to come off as "the expert", maybe...but I doubt it. Congrats on winning nationals @CBeck.
Congratulations on the new rifle, I've had mine for a couple months now. Like you I paid attention to Vudoo's recommendations and in my case I followed them. My last daily shooter was an Anschutz and they prescribed a bronze brush every 1000 rds for the first 10k rounds. And so that is what I did. Interestingly, that rifle struggled with a carbon ring that required the brushing.
On the other hand my Vudoo with 5k rounds through it has never had a carbon ring. I clean every time I shoot and leave a soaking mop (Hoppes 9) in the chamber. I use a plastic brush on the chamber only. The bore has never been brushed and is immaculate. I will pass on something that was given to me ... get a borescope and do only as much as you need to.
These cleaning threads get a little silly. It is a known fact that if everything found on the internet on rimfire rifle cleaning were to disappear at once there would be a huge sucking sound as half of the known universe disappeared into the void. Further, there are those who if they heard that the top BR shooters haven't changed their underwear yet this year they would have us all doing the same. Don't know how it works but if they're doing it I'm doing it. Really???
Not exactly… just because a diamond is carbon does’t make all carbon have the characteristics of a diamond. Carbon isn’t always hard or abrasive… it depends on its form. For example, a form of carbon is what’s in pencils and used in lubricants.
That's not quite accurate either. Pencils use graphite, people use graphite as a "lubricant", it isn't a lubricant. It's slippery, compared to what is causing problems, but not a lubricant.
Centerfire rifles produce enough heat to burn it away.
I wasn't trying to imply they didn't. When is the last time you put 200-300-500 rounds though a centerfire in a weekend?
I clean my Vudoo after every range shoot. Anywhere between 70 and 200rds. Boretech Rimfire Blend on the patches and a nylon brush in the chamber IF it needs it. I have a borescope so I can check what im doing. I had a carbon ring last week start to form so I got the brush out and got rid of it. I push from chamber to muzzle as I have a boreguide so I dont damage the bore.
I shoot with a few guys who are top RF BR and Prone shooters and this is their method. It works for me.
Think of it this way, shooting PRS22/NRL22 stuff, can you tell/shoot the difference in the different ways of cleaning, etc. I dont think you could stand up and go "I missed that 30yd KYL because I didnt clean my barrel properly"........ we aint trying for BR level of precision.....yet.....
I shoot with a few guys who are top RF BR and Prone shooters and this is their method. It works for me.
Think of it this way, shooting PRS22/NRL22 stuff, can you tell/shoot the difference in the different ways of cleaning, etc. I dont think you could stand up and go "I missed that 30yd KYL because I didnt clean my barrel properly"........ we aint trying for BR level of precision.....yet.....
Actually you were when you said they produce enough heat to burn it away.
And the amount of centerfire rounds don’t matter for this discussion but a two day match you could shoot 200-300 pretty easy.
That ok , cause you have zero to offer anyone here anyway. This isn't rocket science guys. We pull our brushes through the barrel. You can choose to believe me or not, that's your choice. I'm just telling you what the best rimfire shooters on the planet do. You guys know everything there is to know so why do I bother? Lmfao ignore list who cares cowpokey?
I'm here to share what I know and have been through.
Someone needs a borescope.
Since this is a Vudoo thread, I won't mention my action.
My Bartlein barreled rimfire has fired 8000 rounds, Lapua CenterX and SK Rifle match. It's been cleaned twice.
My Method: Boreguide, Dewey coated rod, Dewey bronze brush, Butches Boreshine. Three wet patches, third came out clean, 5 strokes with the brush, 3 wet patches, third came out clean. Couple of dry patches. Hawkeye borescope perfectly clean barrel. No sign of a carbon ring or any other fouling. Nothing extra was done to the chamber. 22 rimfire match chamber reamers barely cut out the the lands. From inspection with a borescope you do not need to "short stroke" your brush, or use a drill, in the chamber.......Dewey recommends using one of their pistol brushes as they push through easier. Might have to try that.
Good Shooting and minimal cleaning
Since this is a Vudoo thread, I won't mention my action.
My Bartlein barreled rimfire has fired 8000 rounds, Lapua CenterX and SK Rifle match. It's been cleaned twice.
My Method: Boreguide, Dewey coated rod, Dewey bronze brush, Butches Boreshine. Three wet patches, third came out clean, 5 strokes with the brush, 3 wet patches, third came out clean. Couple of dry patches. Hawkeye borescope perfectly clean barrel. No sign of a carbon ring or any other fouling. Nothing extra was done to the chamber. 22 rimfire match chamber reamers barely cut out the the lands. From inspection with a borescope you do not need to "short stroke" your brush, or use a drill, in the chamber.......Dewey recommends using one of their pistol brushes as they push through easier. Might have to try that.
Good Shooting and minimal cleaning
you also said when you clean the chamber you aren't getting into the bore...which is highly unlikely. The bore starts immediately at the end of the chamber, which is where the carbon ring forms. Why do you want to argue when you contradict yourself repeatedly?
Highly unlikely but true
The bore starts at the end of the chamber and if the brush is in the chamber it doesn't hit the bore. Get it? And even if it did slightly touch it's only a small couple 1/2 turns and would not damage anything as it hasn't. And I am not contradicting myself at all. You are just trying to read that into it.
My best method is the best and highly recommended. I remove barrel, insert in vise. Pull out my 8" long x 2" thick penus. Roll my penus till it comes out tu be .223 Dia by 27" long. Lube penus with vagisil lubricant. Insert elongated penus into barrel, pump barrel with 50 strokes in and out. Pull out penus, clean carbon off penus. Penus takes two days to return to normal size. Go have a beer and potato chip. Done.
Actually just saw this video on LRH and thought it was a little interesting and could add to this discussion. Not really a fan of the video maker as we have some history but the content is interesting as to brushes and barrel damage.
It did make me laugh that the barrel was a high round count 6.5. Almost like it says I’m confident this is going to hurt anything but just in case…..
Yeah I had that thought too. Do that to a brand new barrel, not 4500rds old or whatever. And how can ya tell anything with all that build up at the throat??
I had to learn to not use brushed at all..not because I was worried it would hurt but my Vudoo simply doesn’t like a deep cleaning for whatever reason. I do clean the chamber with c4. I use a borescope to make sure the ring is gone then I clean it just like the latest video. I use the felt rounds and a patchworm string and boretech. I clean after every match or range session. After I started doing this my gun was more consistent and repeatable. Some matches I go to you don’t get a zero check. I need it to shoot as soon as I pull it out of the case. The first 3-4 shots will go a touch, just a touch high and to the right. You can see it on paper but I never thought it caused me to miss in a match. Long story short, I saw the last video, tried it, and it made me and my gun more consistent.
LPTC results for barreled action plus trigger. Vudoo Gen 2 Action, Proof Carbon Fiber Barrel 20", Kukri, 1:16, threaded muzzle, Bix'nAndy 2-Stage TacSport Pro Trigger with ~6 oz second stage pull weight.
Purchased the recommended Midas+ from Capstone, $1792 for the case.
Purchased the recommended Midas+ from Capstone, $1792 for the case.
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I would never try to tell anyone how to properly clean a gun barrel. There are so many different opinions . Some make since some don't. Here are a few things to think about that might help if you're unsure about barrel cleaning. I'm not one of those guys that buys into the idea that if you do this or don't do that you'll trash out your barrel. Sure you can f ***up a steel ball if you try hard enough but most shooters try to care for their guns. I've owned 50yr old 40x and 52s that God only knows what has been ran down their barrels in 50 years and they still shot very good. Some ideas that make since to me are. Swab your barrel first. Liquids reduce friction and lessen chances for scratching or abrasion. Don't use coat hangers for cleaning rods! Use a stiff quality cleaning rod that won't flex and use rod guides. Make sure jags and brushes fit the rod smoothly. Use bronze brushes and always be aware of the crown. Think about this. Which is worse. Slowly pushing a patch or brush down a barrel or blowing hot lead , burning powder and primer compound which contains glass particles down the barrel at 1000 ft per second.
rick137,
Nice, you did well, really well. And thanks for the comprehensive post of your data. There is a lot of info to be gleaned from it for those who take the time.
Nice, you did well, really well. And thanks for the comprehensive post of your data. There is a lot of info to be gleaned from it for those who take the time.
I am contemplating purchasing a KRG Bravo chassis for a Vudoo. Are there magazine seating issues, i.e. vertical play, rocking/rotational play, for the Vudoo 10 shot polymer mags or any of the Vudoo aluminum mags? If so, is there an effective remediation?
Thanks for any intel.
Thanks for any intel.
I’m running the Bravo with my Vudoo 3-60 and have had absolutely no issues with any of my magazines
I have been to the Mesa testing center but I have never shipped my rifle. I have a couple of questions:
1. How do you pack your rifle when shipping it for testing?
2. Do you purchase the shipping label from the test facility or just purchase it as an individual from the shipper?
Purchase label from the shipper, which I do UPS and insure it for $2000.
I put my barreled action in the original Vudoo shipping boxes (the white one) and then the white one inside of a slightly larger cardboard one with some packing material.
1. I took the stock and scope off of the rifle and just sent them the barreled action, bolt and a magazine. I used plastic spacers (like 'pillars') to keep the trigger guard in place for shipping (to protect the actual TriggerTech Diamond trigger itself) and put it all in the original padded case that the complete gun came in from Vudoo, and used the original cardboard overbox.
2. I just purchased and printed my own shipping label off of UPS.com.
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