Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action

[Sieg]

Funny isn't it, I find that the first 5-6 rounds over a different lube will HAMMER 90% of the time. Then it opens up for about 10 rounds or so before it starts shooting again. It is always a bit of a tease. But these Vudoo built rifles are seeming to be so consistently accurate rifle to rifle. I have another coming soon and cant wait until it gets here!

Agree, it seems to take 15 -20 rounds to achieve stability with a brand switch. CCI SV can show signs of brilliance shooting over good lube.

My testing yesterday was partially based on seeing what type of group results I'd get shooting over the top of different lubes. I shot 10 of Center-X with a dry patched bore, then 15 Wolf Match Extra, 10 SK Std+, 15 SK Pistol Match, and 30 CCI SV. The first 3 SV rounds were in one .25 hole.

By the time I started shooting the SV my fingers were starting to hurt from the cold temps, but you can see after 25 rnds it started to stabilize, though I certainly wasn't at my best due to the 38* ambient temperature, real feel was closer to 32*.

POA was bottom of the diamond.

 

[BillOH]

Do old Wolf, SK and Lapua all have the same lube?

 

[rick137]

Vudoo porn.….

SK Standard Plus, 5 rounds at 50yds shooting over Wolf Match Extra lube.

38* at 2:30 pm, should have been testing Polar Biathlon.

Absolutely love this rifle, best purchase ever.

Sieg:

You are a better man than I. From your range I presume you live in the Eugene area as I do. I only ventured outside yesterday because larder was bare. Many thanks for doing the accuracy testing.

 

[Sieg]

Do old Wolf, SK and Lapua all have the same lube?

SK Std+ appears to have a different lube than Center-X which is much "drier", I keep a towel handy when shooting Std+. SK Rifle Match, Pistol Match, and Pistol Match Special are not as greasy as Std+ but not as dry as Center-X from my experience.

The new Wolf is more in line with Center-X or typical Eley, not as dry as Tenex though.

 

[Sieg]

Sieg:

You are a better man than I. From your range I presume you live in the Eugene area as I do. I only ventured outside yesterday because larder was bare. Many thanks for doing the accuracy testing.

In Springtuckey Rick. Emerald Empire GC is 15 minutes away. Just getting ready to head out for the daily 2.5 mile morning walk with the dogs, 27* ambient.

Hopefully I'll make it to the range around 2 when it's up to 44*.

 

[jbell]

Rimfire in the cold is tough. I regularly shoot in the teens down to the single digits with my centerfire but when the temp gets at or below 30f accuracy drops very bad! I have tested many rifles with every ammo out there and it is pretty consistent that above 40f there is no big change, from mid to low 30f - 40f you will see a slight drop off (that razor edge accuracy and consistency isn't there), then from the mid 20's up to the mid low 30's it just isn't great (accuracy has noticeably dropped off across the board for most all ammo types), low 20's and below the variability in ammo's tolerance to the cold really becomes apparent, some handle it better than others (this is when the biathlon or polar ammo starts to come into its own). Gotta love Maine in the 5 months of our winter

 

[rick137]

In Springtuckey Rick. Emerald Empire GC is 15 minutes away. Just getting ready to head out for the daily 2.5 mile morning walk with the dogs, 27* ambient.

Hopefully I'll make it to the range around 2 when it's up to 44*.

Sieg:

Live in county just off Fox Hollow Road. IWLA range 17 minutes away. Range only has one bay where can do positional shooting so like to arrive at 0745h, set-up and begin shooting at 0800h, earliest permitted time. In Spring and Summer have rifle range to myself until 1000h. Sweet. Often see deer.

 

[Sieg]

@rick137 - My old stomping grounds, I graduated from Churchill HS in '76 and was a member there in the early 80's. My younger brother Matt shoots there weekly, he drives a dark grey Ford Expedition. I'll assume you also know some of the guys at Mazama?

Vudoo is everywhere!

 

[rick137]

@rick137 - My old stomping grounds, I graduated from Churchill HS in '76 and was a member there in the early 80's. My younger brother Matt shoots there weekly, he drives a dark grey Ford Expedition. I'll assume you also know some of the guys at Mazama?

Vudoo is everywhere!

Sieg:

Will look out for your bro.

Had to laugh. My wife claims I spend more time at Mazama than at home. Of course an exaggeration. My knowledge of the practical aspects of firearms is rudimentary to say the least so try to spend time around people who are knowledgeable in such matters. Met some important people at the range - Captain of the South Eugene Fire Station which is the station that would respond to a fire at my house. Benches at your range identical to those at IWLA.

Rick

 

[flatland1]

I believe someone in this thread asked me how well my V-22 ACE Ranch bbl'd action shoots a week or so ago, and at that time, I'd just begun shooting with it, and thought it wasn't quite as accurate as the V-22 Bartlein Kukri I'd ordered at the same time as the Ranch. Well, I'd had just about all this sitting around, cooped-up due to cold weather I could take, so I picked up the Ranch V-22 & several boxes of ammo this afternoon and went out to put a few more rounds through the little lightweight rifle. Didn't feel like robbing a bipod off one of the heavier V-22s or 40Xs, so picked up a Doggone Good Bag on the way out of the house, and shot off it instead of a bipod. It was only 30*F outside, so I didn't waste a lot of time shooting the 10-shot groups, but trigger finger was still pretty numb by the time I'd finished loading & firing the 60rds. Only took one mag out, so couldn't pre-load them in the warmth of the truck before getting out to shoot at 50yds.

From top left chicken: SK Std+, Lapua Center-X, another lot of Center-X. On the pigs: Lapua Polar Biathlon, another lot of Polar Biathlon, and on the middle turkey, Federal UM-22. The two shots out of the group on the 1st chicken were the first two shots out of a cold, clean bore. The 1st lot of Center-X was a random lot I'd tested in the 40Xs that didn't shoot good enough to warrant purchase in quantity, while the 2nd group was with some Center-X that I'd bought a half-case of. The 1st Polar Biathlon pig was with a lot# that I bought 4 bricks of, while the 2nd one was shot with a lot# that Grafs had only six boxes of - piss poor luck to spend that much on almost a half-case of the poorer lot & only get 6 boxes of the better one...and I could easily hear the softer report of the slow rounds of that first lot, relative to the louder pop of the faster ones, even with the TBAC 22TD suppressor on the rifle. The 2nd lot had a more uniform report for all 10rds, even though it looks to me as though there are 2rds between & below the pig's feet. I'd bought three different lots of the Federal from Midway a couple of years ago - not on purpose, that's what they sent to fill an order for 20 boxes. This is the best results I've ever had with any of that Federal, after trying it in both 40Xs & my original V-22/Krieger. Looks good enough to warrant further shooting in the Ranch, and perhaps the Kukri's Bartlein as well. Sitting here with a hot cup of tea, I'm glad I was able to get out and shoot a bit, instead of just sitting here in front of the computer, reading about all you other Hide members' shooting your V-22s...

 

[NorthWesterner]

Just put in my order for a barreled action. Allready itching for it. You all have me convinced.

 

[NorthWesterner]

Mark,
I'll be happy to put this together, getting started on it later today and finish/post tomorrow. Based on the technology involved, the price point is highly competitive, being very mindful of the "donor" attribute to converting a 40X.

The barrels we're currently using:
Vudoo Cut Rifled
Bartlein
Krieger
Lothar Walther
Shilen Ratchet

I'm quite sure we'll be adding more barrels, one in particular I'm pretty excited about.

MB

Do we have a choice of what barrel is used? I just put in an order and didn’t specify. How do I go about doing that?

 

[nesikabay]

Has anyone here tried using a tuner on their V 22 yet

 

[17rupert]

Has anyone here tried using a tuner on their V 22 yet

Yes, I have modified a Purduy style rim fire on my 22” Bartlin. Weather has been good up here for much tuning yet! Happened to shoot a 100 yd., 15 egg match last Sunday and got all 15 eggs. Can’t really tell much yet.

 

[nesikabay]

Mine should be here today. I have a few tuners around thought about trying one

 

[WadeKow]

I plan to when I get mine. I'm waiting for the Ace barrel to become available in 22" before I order. I talked to Paul and he said they should be available sometime in January, if not I'll go with a Bart. The reason I'm going with 22" is from the information I've gathered they say a tuner works best on barrels 22" to 25" long. If you tune yours please let us know your results!

 

[nesikabay]

I am going to rebarrel mine soon. I have always had better accuracy with longer barrels. But I wanted to see how this barrel shoots. Then compare with the longer barrel

 

[17rupert]

I am going to rebarrel mine soon. I have always had better accuracy with longer barrels. But I wanted to see how this barrel shoots. Then compare with the longer barrel

I have used barrels as short as 16 1/2 with tuners for over 25 years. The short barrels can be turned. The problem is the commercial tuners are usually made for the longer barrels, so you have to reengineer the darned things to work with the 16””. The reason I did this was I thought the V22 was a superior platform to try to tune. I had my barrel made without muzzle threading just so I could mount my tuner on a smooth area. So far I am slowly getting the harmonics worked out.

 

[jbell]

I am going to rebarrel mine soon. I have always had better accuracy with longer barrels. But I wanted to see how this barrel shoots. Then compare with the longer barrel

Same here, I have always been a 24"-27" 22lr barrel guy and have never been disappointed. However I ordered the 20" Ace, mainly b/c Jay had some very good things to say about them. It is hard when you are a dumb and closed minded as I am but I do try and keep in mind that there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[rick137]

I believe someone in this thread asked me how well my V-22 ACE Ranch bbl'd action shoots a week or so ago, and at that time, I'd just begun shooting with it, and thought it wasn't quite as accurate as the V-22 Bartlein Kukri I'd ordered at the same time as the Ranch. Well, I'd had just about all this sitting around, cooped-up due to cold weather I could take, so I picked up the Ranch V-22 & several boxes of ammo this afternoon and went out to put a few more rounds through the little lightweight rifle. Didn't feel like robbing a bipod off one of the heavier V-22s or 40Xs, so picked up a Doggone Good Bag on the way out of the house, and shot off it instead of a bipod. It was only 30*F outside, so I didn't waste a lot of time shooting the 10-shot groups, but trigger finger was still pretty numb by the time I'd finished loading & firing the 60rds. Only took one mag out, so couldn't pre-load them in the warmth of the truck before getting out to shoot at 50yds.

From top left chicken: SK Std+, Lapua Center-X, another lot of Center-X. On the pigs: Lapua Polar Biathlon, another lot of Polar Biathlon, and on the middle turkey, Federal UM-22. The two shots out of the group on the 1st chicken were the first two shots out of a cold, clean bore. The 1st lot of Center-X was a random lot I'd tested in the 40Xs that didn't shoot good enough to warrant purchase in quantity, while the 2nd group was with some Center-X that I'd bought a half-case of. The 1st Polar Biathlon pig was with a lot# that I bought 4 bricks of, while the 2nd one was shot with a lot# that Grafs had only six boxes of - piss poor luck to spend that much on almost a half-case of the poorer lot & only get 6 boxes of the better one...and I could easily hear the softer report of the slow rounds of that first lot, relative to the louder pop of the faster ones, even with the TBAC 22TD suppressor on the rifle. The 2nd lot had a more uniform report for all 10rds, even though it looks to me as though there are 2rds between & below the pig's feet. I'd bought three different lots of the Federal from Midway a couple of years ago - not on purpose, that's what they sent to fill an order for 20 boxes. This is the best results I've ever had with any of that Federal, after trying it in both 40Xs & my original V-22/Krieger. Looks good enough to warrant further shooting in the Ranch, and perhaps the Kukri's Bartlein as well. Sitting here with a hot cup of tea, I'm glad I was able to get out and shoot a bit, instead of just sitting here in front of the computer, reading about all you other Hide members' shooting your V-22s...View attachment 6981862

Flatlander:

What are the size of the critters?

What are the components of your V-22 Ranch rig and what does it weight? Hopefully 7.0 to 8.0 lbs.

Thanks for the testing.

Rick

 

[rick137]

Same here, I have always been a 24"-27" 22lr barrel guy and have never been disappointed. However I ordered the 20" Ace, mainly b/c Jay had some very good things to say about them. It is hard when you are a dumb and closed minded as I am but I do try and keep in mind that there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

and more than one cat to skin unless the cat skins you.

 

[Travelor]

Do we have a choice of what barrel is used? I just put in an order and didn’t specify. How do I go about doing that?

When I ordered mine I had a choice of Ace, Kreiger, or Bartlein. Also was told if I wanted another barrel that I could get one and send it to them and they would fit it.

I chose Bartlein and am VERY HAPPY with it. Shoot better than the other two? Don't know as I only have the one V-22.

 

[flatland1]

Flatlander:

What are the size of the critters?

What are the components of your V-22 Ranch rig and what does it weight? Hopefully 7.0 to 8.0 lbs.

Thanks for the testing.

Rick

Rick - Size varies, but the chickens are about 1" x 1". None of them present as precise an aiming point as some other targets unless you're going to hold on the head, or a foot, or...you get the idea. I was holding center mass, or trying to.

The Ranch V-22 has an ACE 18" bbl, Manners EH2 stock, PTG Stealth DBM, TT Diamond trigger, 30 MOA rail, and Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 scope in TPS TSR low rings. Weight with an empty mag, w/o bipod & 22TD suppressor as shown in the attached photo is 8.75lbs.

 

[nesikabay]

thanks for the input on barrel length and tuners. If longer dosnt work I can allways screw the 18 back on.

 

[Orden]

Sieg, that looks suspiciously like the pistol range at EEGC.

Dennis

 

[Moose]

Rick - Size varies, but the chickens are about 1" x 1". None of them present as precise an aiming point as some other targets unless you're going to hold on the head, or a foot, or...you get the idea. I was holding center mass, or trying to.

The Ranch V-22 has an ACE 18" bbl, Manners EH2 stock, PTG Stealth DBM, TT Diamond trigger, 30 MOA rail, and Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 scope in TPS TSR low rings. Weight with an empty mag, w/o bipod & 22TD suppressor as shown in the attached photo is 8.75lbs.

That rifle looks great.

 

[Tiger_Shilone]

The Ranch V-22 has an ACE 18" bbl, Manners EH2 stock, PTG Stealth DBM, TT Diamond trigger, 30 MOA rail, and Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 scope in TPS TSR low rings. Weight with an empty mag, w/o bipod & 22TD suppressor as shown in the attached photo is 8.75lbs.

Thanks Flatland for the info, that set-up is 1/4lb heavy over the 8.5lb limit for NRA Silhouette hunter class. I could probably get a 16.5" barrel and/or different rings/optic and make weight. Couple of questions:

Is the manners eh2 stock made of carbon fiber?

What is your zero distance with the 30 MOA rail? If 50yd, how much elevation do you have left to dial?

I'm kicking around the idea of building a ranch barreled vudoo action build for that game with an old 1980's SA remington ADL factory wood stock for a cross-over retro look-a-like but keeping it under 8.5lbs all kitted with a empty mag inserted is the challenge.

 

[flatland1]

Tiger - Yes, all the Manners Elite series stocks have a carbon fiber shell; they advertise a finished weight of 25-26oz with a 1/2" pad, but mine has a 1" pad, so may be a tad heavier. I haven't bedded this stock, only glued in aluminum pillars. I kind of doubt you'll have much luck getting a Rem ADL walnut stock to come in lighter than the EH2, but not having a wood ADL stock to weigh, I could be wrong.

I zero all my precision 22RF bolt rifles at 50yds, this one's no exception. There's 18.5 mils of elevation left on the Midas TAC 6-24x50 with that zero. IIRC, the Athlon website shows this scope weighs 27oz.

The V-22 action just wasn't designed with weight savings in mind I guess - it's a pretty substantial chunk of steel, designed with accuracy as a priority.

 

[NorthWesterner]

You NEED one. You NEED one. You NEED One.

I ordered one on Tuesday. Took the plunge.

 

[rick137]

Thanks Flatland. With 16.5" barrel, different stock or a chassis, lightweight scope probably could get weight to 8.0 lbs.

Rick

 

[Rthur]

You NEED one. You NEED one. You NEED One.

R

 

[huntingthem]

I ordered one on Tuesday. Took the plunge.

Sweet!
I realize all builds take different time frames but fwiw I ordered a 22" barreled action on 10/29 and it was shipped on 11/20 so the wait shouldn't be all that bad.

 

[Sieg]

Sieg, that looks suspiciously like the pistol range at EEGC.

Dennis

Correct - My home away from home.

 

[Sieg]

Since the 7 day schedule is for rain, despite the temp I had to go test Wolf Match Extra and SK Pistol Match and my Atlas Bipod vs Harris Bipod just for kicks.

Ambient temp was 39*, real feel on the fingers was worse, even occasionally using hand warmers in the pockets.
What the digits looked like after I got home 20 minutes later..... no, the yellow fingers aren't normal.

First row is Wolf Match extra Altas bipod, second is with Harris. 3rd is SK Pistol Match with Harris, 4th is with the Atlas.

Remaining rows are SK Pistol Match with the Atlas. Appears the 18" Ace barrel likes Pistol Match despite a few bad set-ups and pulls on my part.

Distance was 50yds, overcast with some ground fog and next to no wind.

Again...... this Vudoo rifle is such a pleasure to shoot.

Now if it just had a heated stock!

 

[huntingthem]

..... no, the yellow fingers aren't normal.

Well the bottom line is the trigger finger looks ok and that's all that matters lol

 

[NorthWesterner]

Sweet!
I realize all builds take different time frames but fwiw I ordered a 22" barreled action on 10/29 and it was shipped on 11/20 so the wait shouldn't be all that bad.

I sure hope it only takes three weeks! That would be amazing.

 

[rick137]

Since the 7 day schedule is for rain, despite the temp I had to go test Wolf Match Extra and SK Pistol Match and my Atlas Bipod vs Harris Bipod just for kicks.

Ambient temp was 39*, real feel on the fingers was worse, even occasionally using hand warmers in the pockets.
What the digits looked like after I got home 20 minutes later..... no, the yellow fingers aren't normal.

First row is Wolf Match extra Altas bipod, second is with Harris. 3rd is SK Pistol Match with Harris, 4th is with the Atlas.

Remaining rows are SK Pistol Match with the Atlas. Appears the 18" Ace barrel likes Pistol Match despite a few bad set-ups and pulls on my part.

Distance was 50yds, overcast with some ground fog and next to no wind.

Again...... this Vudoo rifle is such a pleasure to shoot.

Now if it just had a heated stock!

Sieg:

What about a heated 50 yd indoor range for rimfire in the Eugene area with discount for shooting a Vudoo? The money saved on the discount can be put to buying your next Vudoo.

I presume the aim point was the center of the disk, the diameter of the outer ring was 2.0", and you adjusted neither the windage nor elevation based on the sighters.

 

[Sieg]

Sieg:

What about a heated 50 yd indoor range for rimfire in the Eugene area with discount for shooting a Vudoo? The money saved on the discount can be put to buying your next Vudoo.

I presume the aim point was the center of the disk, the diameter of the outer ring was 2.0", and you adjusted neither the windage nor elevation based on the sighters.

Outer is 1". Started at top left and finished with the "sighters", Center POA, no scope adjustments, rows 2 & 3 used a different bipod, rows 1-4 bipods legs were on the painted plywood benchtop, on the remaining rows the bipod legs were on carpet.

IMO some of the variable impact is on me influencing the rifle. Grip position and pressure, trigger pull angle and follow through, shoulder pressure, and head position. Some of it is shooting over the top of different bullet lube. Some is bipod leg position being neutral, forward loaded, or torsional influence along with torsional influence that can be applied with the rear bag.

.22lr is sensitive and thus easy for the shooter to negatively influence. To me it's very similar to golf, doing it well is not simple. Posture, position, muscle control, grip position/pressure, tension, mental imagining, and more all influence the shot. There's mechanical fixtures to test firearms and ammo, and robots to test golf club and ball performance. To do your best in competition you have to clear your head of mechanics involved in training/practice and focus on your target/objective...… and accept that some days will be better than other.

 

[nesikabay]

I finally got to shoot my new V22 today. I didn't like the trigger I have on it. I ordered it without a trigger put one I have extra on it. I am looking at the Bix Andy trigger. I called them before the rifle got here and they said it might work but some 700 pattern actions there triggers were having sear engagement trouble. Question is has anyone here used one a V22. Is so were there any problems

 

[kabarNC]

Outer is 1". Started at top left and finished with the "sighters", Center POA, no scope adjustments, rows 2 & 3 used a different bipod, rows 1-4 bipods legs were on the painted plywood benchtop, on the remaining rows the bipod legs were on carpet.

IMO some of the variable impact is on me influencing the rifle. Grip position and pressure, trigger pull angle and follow through, shoulder pressure, and head position. Some of it is shooting over the top of different bullet lube. Some is bipod leg position being neutral, forward loaded, or torsional influence along with torsional influence that can be applied with the rear bag.

.22lr is sensitive and thus easy for the shooter to negatively influence. To me it's very similar to golf, doing it well is not simple. Posture, position, muscle control, grip position/pressure, tension, mental imagining, and more all influence the shot. There's mechanical fixtures to test firearms and ammo, and robots to test golf club and ball performance. To do your best in competition you have to clear your head of mechanics involved in training/practice and focus on your target/objective...… and accept that some days will be better than other.

Truth. Coming from centerfire to rimfire has shown me this in spades. I'll memorize this post, thanks!

 

[rick137]

Outer is 1". Started at top left and finished with the "sighters", Center POA, no scope adjustments, rows 2 & 3 used a different bipod, rows 1-4 bipods legs were on the painted plywood benchtop, on the remaining rows the bipod legs were on carpet.

IMO some of the variable impact is on me influencing the rifle. Grip position and pressure, trigger pull angle and follow through, shoulder pressure, and head position. Some of it is shooting over the top of different bullet lube. Some is bipod leg position being neutral, forward loaded, or torsional influence along with torsional influence that can be applied with the rear bag.

.22lr is sensitive and thus easy for the shooter to negatively influence. To me it's very similar to golf, doing it well is not simple. Posture, position, muscle control, grip position/pressure, tension, mental imagining, and more all influence the shot. There's mechanical fixtures to test firearms and ammo, and robots to test golf club and ball performance. To do your best in competition you have to clear your head of mechanics involved in training/practice and focus on your target/objective...… and accept that some days will be better than other.

Spot on.

 

[Dirtracer151]

I finally got to shoot my new V22 today. I didn't like the trigger I have on it. I ordered it without a trigger put one I have extra on it. I am looking at the Bix Andy trigger. I called them before the rifle got here and they said it might work but some 700 pattern actions there triggers were having sear engagement trouble. Question is has anyone here used one a V22. Is so were there any problems

I tried one on mine and for the life of me could never get it adjusted to my liking where it would reliably hold the sear. Ended up putting it on my Surgeon and getting a TT diamond for the Vudoo.

 

[flatland1]

Another happy TT Diamond owner here - have used Jewell HVR triggers on everything from a Stiller 2500XR to a couple of jelrod converted 40Xs to the 1st V-22, and was happy with all of them. However, I'd put TT primary & special triggers on three custom M700s, and being pleased with them, decided to try a couple of Diamonds for the next couple of V-22s. I'm still getting used to these two, but am very impressed with how smooth the Diamond's break is.

 

[Sieg]

Truth. Coming from centerfire to rimfire has shown me this in spades. I'll memorize this post, thanks!

I believe one of the reasons .22lr is more sensitive than centerfire is the amount of time the bullet is in the bore vs centerfire. 1080fps vs 2600-3500 is a big difference percentage wise when it comes to physical chassis inputs that effect bore/target alignment. Barrel length also has to be compounding factor. A 22-24" barrel is 25-30% longer than my 18" barrel, do those percentages parallel detrimental input sensitivity?

 

[jbell]

I believe one of the reasons .22lr is more sensitive than centerfire is the amount of time the bullet is in the bore vs centerfire. 1080fps vs 2600-3500 is a big difference percentage wise when it comes to physical chassis inputs that effect bore/target alignment. Barrel length also has to be compounding factor. A 22-24" barrel is 25-30% longer than my 18" barrel, do those percentages parallel detrimental input sensitivity?

Absolutely

 

[kabarNC]

I believe one of the reasons .22lr is more sensitive than centerfire is the amount of time the bullet is in the bore vs centerfire. 1080fps vs 2600-3500 is a big difference percentage wise when it comes to physical chassis inputs that effect bore/target alignment. Barrel length also has to be compounding factor. A 22-24" barrel is 25-30% longer than my 18" barrel, do those percentages parallel detrimental input sensitivity?

Agree again, compounded by 50+% longer time of flight to any given target...

 

[rick137]

Perhaps the bullet is in the bore for 3 or 4 milliseconds. Can muscles twitch that quickly? Can shoulder pressure or forend grip pressure change that quickly? However more than enough time for rifle vibrations and in particular the barrel vibrations to change. In fact, the vibrations are never in a steady state from ignition of the primer to exit of bullet from muzzle and beyond, two reasons being the bullet traveling through the bore and the change in pressure behind it. Interesting questions to be sure.

 

[jbell]

Perhaps the bullet is in the bore for 3 or 4 milliseconds. Can muscles twitch that quickly? Can shoulder pressure or forend grip pressure change that quickly? However more than enough time for rifle vibrations and in particular the barrel vibrations to change. In fact, the vibrations are never in a steady state from ignition of the primer to exit of bullet from muzzle and beyond, two reasons being the bullet traveling through the bore and the change in pressure behind it. Interesting questions to be sure.

Yes, 100%. That’s is why dry fire and follow through is SO important!!

 

[Hellbender]

That's why AR's are so much harder to shoot well than bolt guns, you have to hold perfectly still after the shot 4 TIMES longer than with a bolt gun (2ms locktime vs. 8ms for AR).

The centerfire bolt gun bullet is way downrange before the AR's even leave the bbl.

Tough in the unsteady positions we often shoot in!

 

[flatland1]

No question that a background in shooting smallbore positional & prone matches equips a shooter for success in high power matches, as well as just about any other rifle shooting discipline, including PRS. It's usually quite obvious to me when I've started to let the fundamentals slip a bit, especially while shooting a 22rf rifle.