Rifle Scopes Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

[taseal]

I was pretty much set on the weaver tactical 3-15x50 and getting ready to buy it monday until I realized there is this new scope that Horus made with Bushnell and it's a H58 reticle 3-21x50 with Bushnell's warranty. and they're roughly the same price (720 vs 845)

The HDMR is only available for military right now at a good discount and it's supposed to go up soon I believe.

I have the oppurtunity to buy my 1st scope in a few days when my check drops in... and now there is a new contender for me (HDMR)

I read the reviews on both and both are excellent, but people are saying the HDMR has very good quality glass. some compared to their NF glass.

Nothing negative on the Weaver Tactical either (except few gripes that everyone has about every scope)

if you had the choice to put down 850 on a scope right now, what do you think your choice would be?

I kind of prefer the Weaver as it's what I was looking at, bit cheaper and regular mildot style vs the horus would be something totally new to me, and it's not illuminated (not that I'd ever use it lol)

but the horus is a great deal and apparently it's very well made and high quality glass in there, and who knows, I might like the H58... looks like it'll have H59 with illum soon

sorry for the lenghty post. I'm tired and half falling asleep here. I'm going to bed, I'll read it up in the morning

here is a link to the HDMR
http://www.horusvision.com/press.php?release=9

 

[taseal]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

damn, nobody? lol

 

[gglass]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

I own the new Weaver Tactical with the illuminated EMDR reticle. I will say that it is a superb scope for the money... But, I would still have to say that the new Bushnell/Horus would be the better scope. The pricing you see right now is an introductory price for military only, and if I had military credentials, I would have bought the Bushnell.

A word of caution about the Horus scope:

You really have to invest in Horus' proprietary software if you are going to make the most of their reticle.It isn't cheap, and I believe that it only works with a pocket PC based PDA device.

 

[taseal]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gglass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own the new Weaver Tactical with the illuminated EMDR reticle. I will say that it is a superb scope for the money... But, I would still have to say that the new Bushnell/Horus would be the better scope. The pricing you see right now is an introductory price for military only, and if I had military credentials, I would have bought the Bushnell.</div></div>

How about the Vortex 6-24x50? that and the HDMR are the same price

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gglass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You really have to invest in Horus' proprietary software if you are going to make the most of their reticle.It isn't cheap, and I believe that it only works with a pocket PC based PDA device. </div></div>

how come? why can't I just use a normal one for an iphone or android?

I put in the data, and it tells me how many mils I need to move the turrets. instead of moving the turrets, I'll just use holdover for both elevation and wind?

what does the horus app have that the android 'shooter' doesnt? http://sean.kndy.net/shooter/

I'm more worried about not getting used to the cluttered bottom half

 

[gglass]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

Will other software work? I suppose it would, but I would imagine that Horus' software would work best with their reticles.

To understand what Horus' software is actually doing, you should just watch their video...

Video in the upper right corner of the home page:
http://www.horusvision.com

 

[224Man]

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My HDMR was delivered today. I bought this instead of continuing to wait for a PST (I have been on the list for over a year). The Bushnell Elite series has a longer history of quality and durability as compared to the Weaver Tactical series. The magnification range on this scope is phenomenal. I think at our promotional price this is a slam dunk. If you buy a Weaver you will own a scope worth 800 used. If you buy the HDMR you are buying a $1500 scope. But my primary reason for purchase was the H58 reticle. I think being able to use a reticle instead of dialing is a great feature. I think the only scope that compares is a Vortex Razor HD with the EBR2 but that scope is 2K and the max field of view is much smaller.

 

[taseal]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 224Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My HDMR was delivered today. I bought this instead of continuing to wait for a PST (I have been on the list for over a year). The Bushnell Elite series has a longer history of quality and durability as compared to the Weaver Tactical series. The magnification range on this scope is phenomenal. I think at our promotional price this is a slam dunk. If you buy a Weaver you will own a scope worth 800 used. If you buy the HDMR you are buying a $1500 scope. But my primary reason for purchase was the H58 reticle. I think being able to use a reticle instead of dialing is a great feature. I think the only scope that compares is a Vortex Razor HD with the EBR2 but that scope is 2K and the max field of view is much smaller. </div></div>

Damn. compares to a Razor HD eh?

wow... it is a bushnell. (nothing bad abotu bushnell. just that it's no HF or razor HD)

I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on this scope. it's limited right now where the weaver isn't and if I don't like the scope, it looks like I can sell this thing in an hour without worries and get the PST 6-20 or the weaver

 

[SSSamurai]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

There's no reason you would be limited without the Horus program, it's a mil-based reticle. It just has more reference points. Just use mil elevation and wind data and it should translate directly onto the reticle.

 

[frankythefly]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

How are the clicks on the HDMR? are they audible, well defined?

 

[taseal]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSSamurai</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no reason you would be limited without the Horus program, it's a mil-based reticle. It just has more reference points. Just use mil elevation and wind data and it should translate directly onto the reticle. </div></div>

Yeah I thought so. regular mil/mil with references

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are the clicks on the HDMR? are they audible, well defined? </div></div>

This is from the thread that I found out about it...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The turrets are pretty massive actually. Really wide. The parallax knob is somewhat stiffer than my nightforce, and way stiffer to turn than my leupold's parallax. But the knobs definitely have more of a space between clicks than say my mark 4. <span style="font-weight: bold">Like i said, it feels closer to what my nightforce feels like</span>. I did look through it - it's cloudy here today, but i'd say it's as clear as my leupold. I'll take a look through my nightforce and my bushnell to see how it compares. Can't mount it yet until the rings get here frown</div></div>

Someone else

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The turrets pull out almost 1/2" to unlock, revealing a series of hashes for revolutions, like Leupy M1 turrets. Not a lot of resistance between clicks, but enough to feel it set into place. Definitely not audible. Mine didn't come with an ARD, but did include a 4" sunshade and bikini caps.</div></div>

Another comment was

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The glass is very nice.

I was present at the Bash in the fall where a guy who has extensive experience looking through and using high end scopes made the comment after looking through it in the field, "the only glass I've seen better is the Hensoldt" Coming from this guy was impressive.</div></div>

 

[224Man]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are the clicks on the HDMR? are they audible, well defined? </div></div>

Clicks feel good they are consistent and audible. They are not as distinct/loud as Nightforce but they work great. The turrets can be left down and locked or left up if you plan to dial dope. The knobs are stiff enough I couldn't turn them brushing the scope across my arm.

The glass looks great and I really like reticle. Unfortunately the stick it's going on is still at the smith waiting for my McMillan A-5 so I can't test tracking and repeatability which is of course most important.

In response to the previous post I certainly wasn't claiming this is equivalent to the Razor. I was just listing the other scopes I looked at with the same reticle features.

 

[BCP]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

If the bushnell is going to sticker for 1500 with horus reticle I wonder what it'll be without it. 850 with a mildot?

 

[taseal]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the bushnell is going to sticker for 1500 with horus reticle I wonder what it'll be without it. 850 with a mildot? </div></div>

500. lol

 

[Goose375]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gglass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will other software work? I suppose it would, but I would imagine that Horus' software would work best with their reticles.
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Not the case, any good program will work, especially shooter from andriod. It was designed in part by Bryan Litz and his book spells out exactly how accurate ballistic programs are. The error is usually that a 1/4 click MOA is never EXACTLY 1/4 MOA. Causing you to think the data is wrong then fudging the data to get your "real world drop" you observed. He tested the ballistic calculator that comes with the book (which he says is free online, not sure where to get it) and it predicted where the impact would be within .9 inches out to 991yds. All the software should use the same formulas, they just charge more for the bells and whistles. A mil is a mil is a mil... The calculator is only as accurate as its inputs.

OP, I posted on your OTHER thread, Go with the Horus, its not tough to learn, you just need a litle time behind it and you can pick it up pretty quick.

 

[taseal]

Re: Weaver Tactical or Horus/Bushnell HDMR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goose375</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gglass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will other software work? I suppose it would, but I would imagine that Horus' software would work best with their reticles.
</div></div>
Not the case, any good program will work, especially shooter from andriod. It was designed in part by Bryan Litz and his book spells out exactly how accurate ballistic programs are. The error is usually that a 1/4 click MOA is never EXACTLY 1/4 MOA. Causing you to think the data is wrong then fudging the data to get your "real world drop" you observed. He tested the ballistic calculator that comes with the book (which he says is free online, not sure where to get it) and it predicted where the impact would be within .9 inches out to 991yds. All the software should use the same formulas, they just charge more for the bells and whistles. A mil is a mil is a mil... The calculator is only as accurate as its inputs.

OP, I posted on your OTHER thread, Go with the Horus, its not tough to learn, you just need a litle time behind it and you can pick it up pretty quick.
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I have shooter, and made a little DOPE for the .30-06 I'm planning to shoot. with the accuracy 1st thingy on the H58, it pretty much mimics the .300wm ballistics out to 600 meters. 300-400 it mimics .308. I think it'll be real nice if I use it overseas. I'm actually excited to go back and try to use it now LOL