Hunting & Fishing Wha bullet/load/caliber for preventing fur damage?
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V-max are designed for varmints. Their suppose to brake up and seldom leave exit holes.
I use 32 gr. V-max in my 204. I've shot several coyotes and never had an exit hole. Nor have I had to shoot one twice.
They are so fast they seem to electrocute the critters.
I've had good luck with M193 shooting varmints. They do the job and leave a small exit hole. I've spent a great deal of time hunting seals with Alaska Natives on the Bering Sea using M913 they managed to swipe from the Guard. Very little damage.
In my younger (and poorer) years in Alaska I used a 7mm Mag with cast bullet to take foxes and coyotes for the hides. They worked quite well doing very little hide damage.
I also got a lot of skins using an old replica 36 cal BP revolver. A 22 would have been better but at the time I had black powder and a mold, but no money for 22 shells.
V-max are designed for varmints. Their suppose to brake up and seldom leave exit holes.
I use 32 gr. V-max in my 204. I've shot several coyotes and never had an exit hole. Nor have I had to shoot one twice.
They are so fast they seem to electrocute the critters.
I've had good luck with M193 shooting varmints. They do the job and leave a small exit hole. I've spent a great deal of time hunting seals with Alaska Natives on the Bering Sea using M913 they managed to swipe from the Guard. Very little damage.
In my younger (and poorer) years in Alaska I used a 7mm Mag with cast bullet to take foxes and coyotes for the hides. They worked quite well doing very little hide damage.
I also got a lot of skins using an old replica 36 cal BP revolver. A 22 would have been better but at the time I had black powder and a mold, but no money for 22 shells.
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I've been using 40gr vmax's at 3800fps and 60gr @ 3000fps in .223. I also use the 110gr Vmax at 3218fps in .308. All of them tear up fur pretty bad. 60gr vmax's have been the best. I'm told the 60gr vmax has a lighter jacket than the 40gr because it has to frag at slower speeds. In my experience vmax's are great if you shoot an animal from the front. If you shoot in the side, you may very well have a mess to deal with. I just blew the whole stomach off a bobcat last week with a 40gr Vmax.
I have a thread up in this section showing most of my kills this season and all were done with Vmax's. There is some with a ton of inking hide damage. Thinking I'm gonna use 178gr Amax in .308 and 77gr SMK in .223.
Seal hunting sounds bad ass!
I've been using 40gr vmax's at 3800fps and 60gr @ 3000fps in .223. I also use the 110gr Vmax at 3218fps in .308. All of them tear up fur pretty bad. 60gr vmax's have been the best. I'm told the 60gr vmax has a lighter jacket than the 40gr because it has to frag at slower speeds. In my experience vmax's are great if you shoot an animal from the front. If you shoot in the side, you may very well have a mess to deal with. I just blew the whole stomach off a bobcat last week with a 40gr Vmax.
I have a thread up in this section showing most of my kills this season and all were done with Vmax's. There is some with a ton of inking hide damage. Thinking I'm gonna use 178gr Amax in .308 and 77gr SMK in .223.
Seal hunting sounds bad ass!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seal hunting sounds bad ass!</div></div>
Its cold nasty work. You're bouncing around in a boat, freezing spray, dodging floating chunks of ice. Only the bobbing heads are expose. Hit them anywhere but the head, they sink and you dont recover them.
You spend most of your time wondering how they talked you into this crap.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seal hunting sounds bad ass!</div></div>
Its cold nasty work. You're bouncing around in a boat, freezing spray, dodging floating chunks of ice. Only the bobbing heads are expose. Hit them anywhere but the head, they sink and you dont recover them.
You spend most of your time wondering how they talked you into this crap.
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I have also been wondering this question. But in a 30 cal, as I need that extra weight of the projectile to punch through brush and kill bigger game...
With that said anything with a polymer tip will create nasty exit holes if it comes out the other side.
I have also been wondering this question. But in a 30 cal, as I need that extra weight of the projectile to punch through brush and kill bigger game...
With that said anything with a polymer tip will create nasty exit holes if it comes out the other side.
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Partitions and FMJ's won't mess up a pelt too bad. The LC green tip also works well. I've also shot a few with 220gr 30 call bullets at low speeds and they were the best, little hole in, little hole out. With that said you may want to look into bog game projectiles as they don't seem to open up in small game.
I'm not a fur hunter so take it for what it's worth. In those circumstances I used what I was carrying at the time. My true varmint loads are AMAX's and VMAX's and it wrecks them. Scenars also do a number on a coyote sized critter, far worse than AMAX's or VMAX's so don't even bother.
Partitions and FMJ's won't mess up a pelt too bad. The LC green tip also works well. I've also shot a few with 220gr 30 call bullets at low speeds and they were the best, little hole in, little hole out. With that said you may want to look into bog game projectiles as they don't seem to open up in small game.
I'm not a fur hunter so take it for what it's worth. In those circumstances I used what I was carrying at the time. My true varmint loads are AMAX's and VMAX's and it wrecks them. Scenars also do a number on a coyote sized critter, far worse than AMAX's or VMAX's so don't even bother.
Re: Wha bullet/load/caliber for preventing fur damage?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Partitions and FMJ's won't mess up a pelt too bad. The LC green tip also works well. I've also shot a few with 220gr 30 call bullets at low speeds and they were the best, little hole in, little hole out. With that said you may want to look into bog game projectiles as they don't seem to open up in small game.
I'm not a fur hunter so take it for what it's worth. In those circumstances I used what I was carrying at the time. My true varmint loads are AMAX's and VMAX's and it wrecks them. Scenars also do a number on a coyote sized critter, far worse than AMAX's or VMAX's so don't even bother. </div></div>
Nice! I have a .300blk setup to run 220gr SMKs subsonic. The dang arc on that trajectory is the only thing dissuading me from doing so. I love big point blank zeros when hunting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Partitions and FMJ's won't mess up a pelt too bad. The LC green tip also works well. I've also shot a few with 220gr 30 call bullets at low speeds and they were the best, little hole in, little hole out. With that said you may want to look into bog game projectiles as they don't seem to open up in small game.
I'm not a fur hunter so take it for what it's worth. In those circumstances I used what I was carrying at the time. My true varmint loads are AMAX's and VMAX's and it wrecks them. Scenars also do a number on a coyote sized critter, far worse than AMAX's or VMAX's so don't even bother. </div></div>
Nice! I have a .300blk setup to run 220gr SMKs subsonic. The dang arc on that trajectory is the only thing dissuading me from doing so. I love big point blank zeros when hunting.
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If you have a 300BLK I'd give the 115gr FMJ's a try. They probably wouldn't do any pelt damage at all. Any good hard or slow expanding 30 cal bullet would likely do good at the low velocities of the 300BLK. The 115gr would be the most cost effective way to go if you don't reload.
If you have a 300BLK I'd give the 115gr FMJ's a try. They probably wouldn't do any pelt damage at all. Any good hard or slow expanding 30 cal bullet would likely do good at the low velocities of the 300BLK. The 115gr would be the most cost effective way to go if you don't reload.
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Hornady used to build a TMJ. I shot some coyotes and fox with the .224 in a 220 swift. They worked real well for not tearing up fur. Lung shots worked well at distance as I remember. I guess the velocity of the swift caused sufficient internal damage without expanding???
I haven't looked at Hornady's web site for TMJ's. Don't know if they build them anymore or not. I shoot 'em with Vmax now. Those tear 'em up bad. But I am no longer interested in collecting pelts.
Hornady used to build a TMJ. I shot some coyotes and fox with the .224 in a 220 swift. They worked real well for not tearing up fur. Lung shots worked well at distance as I remember. I guess the velocity of the swift caused sufficient internal damage without expanding???
I haven't looked at Hornady's web site for TMJ's. Don't know if they build them anymore or not. I shoot 'em with Vmax now. Those tear 'em up bad. But I am no longer interested in collecting pelts.
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The original TSX would also be an option as they are pretty tough an don't open up easily on smaller quarry, accubond's too but will open faster.
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Agree on the VMAX's although shot several critters with 75 vmax's and exit's werent all to bad on'm. (via 243)
The original TSX would also be an option as they are pretty tough an don't open up easily on smaller quarry, accubond's too but will open faster.
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Agree on the VMAX's although shot several critters with 75 vmax's and exit's werent all to bad on'm. (via 243)
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one of may favorites for for coyotes is a 40gr V-max out of a 223, kills hard and the bullet almost never exits! I shot one this weekend quartering away 250yds, sacked him and we had a hard time finding the (1) hole. for fox I shoot a 17machIV.
one of may favorites for for coyotes is a 40gr V-max out of a 223, kills hard and the bullet almost never exits! I shot one this weekend quartering away 250yds, sacked him and we had a hard time finding the (1) hole. for fox I shoot a 17machIV.
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loaded some 55 vmax for a 223 and it has been impressive to say the least. dead yotes with little damage to pelts
loaded some 55 vmax for a 223 and it has been impressive to say the least. dead yotes with little damage to pelts
Re: Wha bullet/load/caliber for preventing fur damage?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MTyotehunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one of may favorites for for coyotes is a 40gr V-max out of a 223, kills hard and the bullet almost never exits! I shot one this weekend quartering away 250yds, sacked him and we had a hard time finding the (1) hole. for fox I shoot a 17machIV. </div></div>
I've been using .223 with 40gr vmax at 3800fps on coyote and bobcat for a while now. Sometimes when I shoot them you can't even tell they've been shot and other times it rips them up bad. I destroyed a bobcat a few days ago with a 40gr vmax. The load is real accurate and fast it's just too unpredictable. The majority of animals in this thread were killed with 40gr vmax's.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...292#Post3741292
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MTyotehunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one of may favorites for for coyotes is a 40gr V-max out of a 223, kills hard and the bullet almost never exits! I shot one this weekend quartering away 250yds, sacked him and we had a hard time finding the (1) hole. for fox I shoot a 17machIV. </div></div>
I've been using .223 with 40gr vmax at 3800fps on coyote and bobcat for a while now. Sometimes when I shoot them you can't even tell they've been shot and other times it rips them up bad. I destroyed a bobcat a few days ago with a 40gr vmax. The load is real accurate and fast it's just too unpredictable. The majority of animals in this thread were killed with 40gr vmax's.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...292#Post3741292
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Agree on the TSX.
I shot a gray fox @ 30yds in the neck with my .22-243 couple weeks back. Bullet was my deer load, a 70gr TSX @ 3550fps. Hardly any damage, the TSX just zipped right through! If that were my 75gr Amax 'varmint/target' load, that sucker's head woulda popped like a Mentos in a Diet Coke...
Tough bullets are gonna give ya two holes, but they prolly won't be too messy to deal with.
Agree on the TSX.
I shot a gray fox @ 30yds in the neck with my .22-243 couple weeks back. Bullet was my deer load, a 70gr TSX @ 3550fps. Hardly any damage, the TSX just zipped right through! If that were my 75gr Amax 'varmint/target' load, that sucker's head woulda popped like a Mentos in a Diet Coke...
Tough bullets are gonna give ya two holes, but they prolly won't be too messy to deal with.
