What barrel to get?

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    Hey guys, I'm about to leave for a couple months and while I'm gone and not shooting I'm gonna have my remy 700 5-r blue printed and rebarreled. It's a .308 and I want to shoot a 175 grn bullet. I'm gonna go with a 1-10 twist and 24" length. I'm thinking about the LILJA but not sure. Also I don't know much about the 3 groove barrels over the 6. I'm gonna use this rifle for a little hunting but mainly benchrest shooting and tactical competitions. Q#1 is the tactical contour best for my needs? Q#2 is lilja up to par? Q#3 should I get 3 or 6 lands and grooves? Thanks for the help!
     
    Re: What barrel to get?

    1. If you are going to hunt with the rifle, weight is going to be an issue so make sure your barrel is not too heavy. I would say a fluted medium palma would be good.

    2. IIRC Lilja barrels are button rifled, If I were dropping that much coin on a barrel, I would get either a ROCK, or Bartlien (in that order) which are cut rifled. Not saying Lilja doesnt make a good barrel, just not my cup of tea.

    3. You do not need a 1/10 twist barrel to shoot 175gr bullets, a 1/11 will do just fine. A 1/10 is for bullets over 180gr IIRC.


    Also, I would look at shooting 155 Scenars instead of the 175s, they have the same (if not better) BC than the 175's and with speeds of 2900-2950fps, will get you out to 1000yds with less elevation.
     
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    thanks man ima look into the rock and bartlien for sure! ive already been lookin into the 155 scenars but a friend of mine couldnt getem to shoot worth a shit, but its worth a try for that.
     
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    I would probably shoot out the stock barrel first before rebarreling it. I don't have one, but from what I've read they shoot great straight from the factory. Don't waist your money with a custom yet. I'd spend it on a good scope first, and then the stock you want before rebarreling it. Just my $0.02
     
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    If you are getting decent groups with the stock barrel, shoot it out first. Then I would consider a Krieger, Rock, Bartlein, Broughton, Hart, Benchmark, or Schneider.

    I have rifles with Krieger, Bartlein, Benchmark, Lothar Walther, and PacNor barrels and I don't see a great deal of difference in any of them in terms of accuracy. They all clean very easily, and perform well beyond my capabilites.
     
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    well I've got a schmidt and bender 4x16 pm2 on it now so I don't see much room for improvement in glass. I'm shooting a benchrest comp and there's a guy there that's shooting a 1 3/4 inch group @ 600yrds and my 5-R is about 3 3/4 at best. That's shooting it every day and having tried several loads. I need all the help I can get with out shooting a 260 or some other small caliber. Would it not be any improvement at all or just not much? Or should I have the smith put a target crown on the factory barrel? Also how much will a suppresor help? I'm 3 months into gettin a AAC cyclone now, the dealer says it should be in in a week or two.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Surgeon-Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm shooting a benchrest comp and there's a guy there that's shooting a 1 3/4 inch group @ 600yrds and my 5-R is about 3 3/4 at best.</div></div>

    That sounds like a very resource guy to learn from.
     
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    Yea no dout! He is pretty damn good, he is the man to beat for sure. His name is Murray crowe if you haven't heard about him u prolly will.
     
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    WTF I mean is..... I always see room for improvement in me and my rifles. What are some groups do you think this rifle hill shoot with a mike rock barrel and a good blue printing.
     
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    3.75" at 600 yards from a Remington 5R is nothing to laugh at! If your rifle is shooting groups like that at 600 yards I would not change a thing. Thats well under minute of angel.

    If you are doing the benchrest thing, I don't think you are going to be able to be really competitive with any thing short of a custom rifle. Seems most of the bench guys shoot wildcat cartridges and have a considerable investment in their rifles. Benchrest, hunting, and tactical shooting are all very different disciplins. I'm not sure that you can do a one gun does all.
    You might be able to do a palma/F class rifle that does double duty as a hunter/tactical shooter.

    I would call up GAP, Stockade Stocks, Terry Cross (KMW), or TBA and see if they have built any rifles that fit your bill. They may be able to get you moving in the right direction.

    Good luck,

    T
     
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    I agree with you on that Tman. Even a custom gun, I would be happy with shooting 3" groups at 600. Shoot what you have.
    In the bench group these guys go to great extremes on loads brass powder charges, wieghing brass,bullets, water volume of brass, the list goes on and on. The tactical group you don't go that far into it. Maybe some do.
    You are shooting under a 1/2 moa. Be happy ,that is good shooting.
    To achieve the same success you will need to pick this mans brains on loads and guns. There is more than the rifle that does the shooting.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Surgeon-Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well I've got a schmidt and bender 4x16 pm2 on it now so I don't see much room for improvement in glass. I'm shooting a benchrest comp and there's a guy there that's shooting a 1 3/4 inch group @ 600yrds and my 5-R is about 3 3/4 at best. That's shooting it every day and having tried several loads. I need all the help I can get with out shooting a 260 or some other small caliber. Would it not be any improvement at all or just not much? Or should I have the smith put a target crown on the factory barrel? Also how much will a suppresor help? I'm 3 months into gettin a AAC cyclone now, the dealer says it should be in in a week or two. </div></div>

    Let me make sure I get this right. You currently have a rifle, Rem 700 in .308 Wimnchester that currently delivers 5 shot groups on 3.75 inch all the time at 600 yards with a 12x scope and you are thinking that a barrel change will bring that down to 1.5 inches at 600 yards?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is more than the rifle that does the shooting. </div></div>

    Like so many things in sports, equipment just facilitates skill and talent. Good call.

    Have you offered to have him shoot your rifle to see what he can do with it? If he gets a few down the tube to get an idea and you see his groups aren't better than yours, you have a good case to change up some things. If he's not markedly better than you are with your own rifle, then I say keep working on trigger time and not messing with something that's already a good shooting rifle.

    1) I wouldn't change the barrel yet, it's a shooter from your group sizes. Under 4" at 600 is nothing to sneeze at.

    2) What caliber is MC shooting? The ballistics on a 308 just aren't going to beat a 260 for the same shooter and equal sticks. Saying he's shooting under 2" at 600 is damn impressive, if he's doing it with a 6.5-284 or a 260 Rem then he might just have a ballistic edge you're not going to match with the 308.

    3) Keeping #2 in mind, if you have the short action already, if you're set on having it tru'd up neatly, and you want to switch barrels, why not go to the 260? It's a 1k cartridge, it will kill anything in North America with the right shot placement and bullet.

    4) Back on #3 now... If you're going to put the expense into a custom barrel and custom work into an action like that, it seems like you're robbing yourself by sticking to the 308. You can sell the brass and dies and other components you have for it to defray the costs of changing calibers.

    Now, all that being said.

    I would not change a thing on the rifle, if you have good glass on it, keep it that way and try working on the loads more and learning from Mr. Crowe

     
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    that sounds good guys, i've only been shooting in these benchrest comp for about 6 months or so and I can already tell that that group of guys spend ALL of thier time shooting and developing loads. I guess I need to just stick with the tactical comps for now, I'm a lot more competitive in that. Meanwhile I think it's time to start on a 6.5 lapua for next year:)
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johngfoster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would probably shoot out the stock barrel first before rebarreling it. I don't have one, but from what I've read they shoot great straight from the factory. Don't waist your money with a custom yet. I'd spend it on a good scope first, and then the stock you want before rebarreling it. Just my $0.02
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    Yessiree. I want one of the 5R's for no other reason than I don't have one. I can't walk through my house without tripping over heavy .308's, but those things are, by most all accounts, lasers. I was talking to Banshee and we were thinking if you wanted a great shooter and did not want to go the custom route, the 5R(high-end production rifle) would be the way to go. The Sako TRG's would also qualify, but have the issues of over 2x's the price and costly accessories.

    That rifle brings a tidy sum because it shoots so well from the factory. Put 6K rounds through it and THEN consider a rebarrel.