What is an acceptable velocity spread.....

Lofty

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......in quality hand loads?

I was working up a load for my GAP10 in 6 Creedmoor and with 41.2 grains of 4350 I was getting a spread of around 40 FPS.

Most rounds hovered around the 3000 FPS range, but out of a string of 10 I had one as low as 2868 and a high of 3029.

The average spread was much less, but I did have those two that threw that average way off.

Is that normal......to be expected?
 
Re: What is an acceptable velocity spread.....

If all I had to go by was ES, I'd say 20 or so is good... less is always better. ES isn't really a very good predictor of future performance - which is pretty much the main reason I chrono loads in the first place. But its the one most people can wrap their minds around, so it persists... I'd be happier with an SD of 5-6 (or less), personally, for an equal sized sample.
 
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As with most things, it depends on your application.
A 2 MOA steel plate at 600yrds isn't going to complain about 40fps,
But 1000yrd v-bulls are a bit more picky.

For my ammo and application I aim to keep ES under 20fps,
And SD in single digits.

Don't worry about it too much unless you are noticeably getting vertical spreads/flyers at the targets/distances you like to shoot.
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I've read/ heard in other circles, that people have experienced groups opening up with loads that had very low es/sd. I'm not smart enough to understand how that could happen, but some people say they've experienced it. Like was posted above, I think it depends on the application.
 
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So besides inconsistent powder charges, inconsistent neck crimp (which I'm not even crimping) and a faulty chrono.......what else could be the cause? The gun runs flawlessly and I shot a few groups out of the bed of my pick up that we're between 1/2 and 3/4 MOA ....I have no doubt I could have done better from a good prone position on the ground.

I'm stumping it could just as easily be the chrono. It's one of those Shooting Chronos.....not exactly state of the art equipment.

I'll have to check it at distance. I would imagine if my vertical spread is tight at 700+ yards, the chrony is most likely the culprit.
 
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Inconsistent primer/ bullet seating depth will have an affect on it as well.

Try it at distance like you said, if vertical is good, who gives a shit what the numbers are?

Good luck to ya.
Steve.
 
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I would keep working if it were me. You will start to see quite a bit of vertical at longer ranges. I would shoot to keep your ES under 20, which shouldn't be that hard to accomplish.
 
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Just like with any other set of statistics, it all depends on the sample size. Some guys at my local range will chrono 5-10 rounds and make their decisions based on that small sample (they don't want to shoot out their barrels in testing you know).

I prefer first shoot my workup loads for group size at the range I intend to use them for. The load yielding the best group is then loaded up for some serious chrono testing. At least 25 and as many as 50 rounds are then shot and chronograph'd. It's amazing how revealing large sample sizes can be. If you want, you can also use "Olympic Scoring" and throw out the one or two highest speed and one or two lowest speed, rounds. It's just like a group when testing. If you have 4 out of 5 in one hole and the 5th goes wandering, it's a flier and therefore an anomaly.

I'm more interested in average speed and Mean Absolute Deviation than whether I had one extremely high or low speed round.

Once you have a nice consistent, and accurate load, pay more attention to case prep steps like flash hole de-burring, neck turning, annealing, and bullet seating pressures. It's usually easy for one to feel a case that takes a great deal more or less pressure to seat a round. Those go into the "fouler" or "produce shooting" (canteloupe, coconut, pineapple, apples, oranges, etc) sessions at the local gravel pit.

Also, don't assume that a load thrown from that good old "Famous" powder measure is always consistent. Sometimes a good accurate scale, used for every load, can make a difference in "spreads" on either the target or the chronograph.

Just don't rely on small sample sizes.
 
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When i'm working up a load for my rifles I try to get the ES under 20 and the lower the better. From what i've seen personally with my rifles when doing load developement is that the majority of the time the load with lowest ES translates to my best groups, especially when shooting at distance. At 100 yards I don't see much difference in group size but when shooting at 300 yard it usually shows up. With that being said, yesterday I shot the best group of my life at 100 yards with my custom 308. A friend of mine came to the range with me to shoot his AR 10 and he was shooting factory Federal Gold Medal Match ammo (168gr Sierra Match King). I had the chrono set up and asked if I could have 5 rounds to shoot through the chrono to see what the speed/ES was and how my gun would group them. The 5 round group measured .093 with a average speed of 2725 ftps and ES of 23. My match load for this rifle with Berger 185's has single digit ES with 5 shots and the best group I ever shot with this load was low .2's for 5 shots at 100 yards and under an inch at 300 yards. I have no idea what the Gold Medal Match ammo group would do at 300 and beyond but it was 1 hole at 100 yards and im still in shock with that group. Go figure, maybe I need to throw away all my reloading equipment and just buy Gold Match ammo and roll with that.....lol