I dont have much experience past 1250 yards. So what is an exceptionally good 5 shot group at 1760?
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What is an exceptional group at 1 mile?
- Thread starter J McGriddle
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Here is a 10 shot group at a mile that I shot with a 300 Norma.
never tried it but hitting the plate would be a great start to me .
I did not measure it, as the picture was sent to me by the owner of the Missouri Mile after we had left for the day.
I put 3 right at 10" at a mile. Very happy with that. I would say anything sub moa at a mile is good, half would be exceptional.
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1 mile is where the going gets tough, real tough. Hitting that target depends on all the usual factors magnified by the range. A great group is 1 MOA - absolutely outstanding at that range - so about 18 inches, but how many shots? the more the merrier LOL. Wind is the critical factor. And repeatability. And variability. Good luck!
We have an old filing cabinet set at 1mile. They're about the size of a MANageable area to shoot and test your fundamentals. A 1 drawer group is a great feeling. Plus, you can fill the bottom one with dirt so it stays upright, and cycle the drawers when they get all shot up.
I love to try a mile that would be awesome - but first I need to do the LRSU milk jug challenge..
Come on out. We can throw a jug on the cabinet center drawer to practice up first before the next LRSU event. Usually about 2.25 hrs from me to the northsprings shooting range where they do the milk judge challenge.
Hi,
Sounds like some of you may need to go to the next E2k yard Competition that Alex Wheeler puts on.
Sincerely,
Theis
Sounds like some of you may need to go to the next E2k yard Competition that Alex Wheeler puts on.
Sincerely,
Theis
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Theis,
My google skills must not be up to snuff. What rifle, caliber, etc was Tom using when he set this?
edit - I believe this is a pic of target 2000 yard picture
Tom Mousel -- 338-Improved with 300gr Berger Hybrids, built by Wheeler Accuracy
discussion of WR
I also saw this on another site (see below)... is this correct? wow, crazy how much variance at 2K can cause
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.BC variance
Say you have 2 same make of bullets, one with a .600-BC, and one with a .601-BC
Both shot at a muzzle velocity of 2900-fps
The vertical POI variance one could expect:
0.0001" at 100-yds
0.004" at 300-yds
0.045" at 600-yds
0.306" at 1000-yds
1.834" at 1500-yds
9.232" at 2000-yds
Again, but with .005-BC variation (.600-BC verses .605-BC):
0.0007" at 100-yds
0.022" at 300-yds
0.224" at 600-yds
1.512" at 1000-yds
9.053" at 1500-yds
45.35" at 2000-yds
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Hi,
338 Improved shooting 300gr Berger Hybrids in a rifle built by Wheeler Accuracy is as much as I know
Sincerely,
Theis
338 Improved shooting 300gr Berger Hybrids in a rifle built by Wheeler Accuracy is as much as I know
Sincerely,
Theis
1 mile? Fuck man. I live in the real world. If I can even hit a 24-36" plate where I shoot with hills and valleys making winds do weird wind shit I'm a happy camper.
Yea, it’s almost always quite squirrelly shooting across my valleys.
I can think of maybe 2-3 times we had a steady wind for more than 2 shots.
Yeah exactly. Thats probably why my wind reading skills suck because its always constantly varying
Was that directed at me, since I am the only person that said they had shot a 10" group? I can assure you this was not the case. It was at a LRSU milk jug challenge a couple years ago. Plenty of witnesses. It was 3 consecutive shots. I have the backer.
You know you're hot shit when you set up a rubber shot glass full of tequila then just nick the top rim, spilling the shot onto the chest of a naked hottie below so your buddy can lap it up while taking a selfie video. King of Two Nips winner.
I say a 3 shot group at 1 mile that is half moa is exceptional. You cannot tighten a 3 shot group at any distance. At 1 mile, conditions play harder than the shooter or the rifle, firing the extra 2 shots unless to fill the void just doesn't make sense here.
You could have a 4" group going 4 shots in, that 5th one may make it moa and you had no control over it whatsoever, but guess what, it needs to be counted.
You could have a 4" group going 4 shots in, that 5th one may make it moa and you had no control over it whatsoever, but guess what, it needs to be counted.
At 1 mile at least where I shoot each day is different with the wind not if it's blowing but how much and from what direction. How much it switches and is it swirling or the ridge into bowl very hard to read at times. Some days on man size gongs I go 5 for 10 some days 0 for 10 depending on conditions. When I got certified at 1 mile I had wind from 15 to 25 mph gusts to straight very hard and went 4-10. 1 mile isn't easy but it does get easier the more you do it.
You know that's why there's only a few guys that can make a cold bore shot at 2,200.
2 shots to get on target. The rest were all consecutive shots. Wasn't exactly a mile. Only 1743yds...
I believe it greatly depends on caliber, conditions etc. Someone shooting a big elr monster with pills supersonic all the way to target out west at 6k ft above sea level vs someone say shooting a 6.5 at sea level.....really big dif in potential of groups. Just have fun with it no matter what ya do! There is a guy where I shoot who popped a 5 shot group at a mile with his 6.5x47/136g Scenars that was the size of a volleyball. Trigger pull conditions at sun up....dude is a shooting mofo. I've seen his groups at 2k with 6.5 shooting SMK 142s which were under 12". It's fun to see that b/c it challenges me to work harder and really needle in on the details like he does b/c it's possible, but really difficult which I like. He is a wealth of information to be around crazy smart and fun.
If he can do that consistently (which it sounds like he can), he's definitely in the elite camp of shooters. That's impressive
And a scope picture that looks like 100 yards instead of a mile. Then just for fun, find the shot bullet and frame a dude named John Lee Swagger....
sweet, what powder and load are you using to achieve these numbers?
Enquiring minds want to know
By the definition below, exceptional means "unlikely to be repeated" or unusual; thus I'd say any group < 1MOA at 1 mile is unlikely to be repeated on demand and is "exceptional"
exceptional
adjective
not like most others of the same type; unusual:This is an exceptional contract, guaranteeing no layoffs.
sweet, what powder and load are you using to achieve these numbers?
Enquiring minds want to know
That was posted back in October 2021. I went to a 6GT for 2022. Going off memory it was RL16 in Peterson brass 42.4 or 42.6 grains. I do not recall the COAL or jump and the barrel was an X-caliber 1-8 twist finished at 28"
There is likely some info posted in either the 6.5 CM thread or the Berger 144 thread. That was a warm load too, so proceed with caution.
Edit to add I found a post in the 144 thread from 2020 and the Bartlien barrel I was running, also 28" and it was .025 jump 42 of RL16 at 2866.
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