What kind of SMG use snipers or DMR as sidearm or CQB?

[DutchGunCollector]

I would like your help with a question.

I am a weapons collector from the Netherlands and I collect snipers and long range weapon and DMR weapons. I have a decent collection but I'm looking for information:

Who can tell me which SubMachine Guns snipers use for backup and CQB?

I have an MP5 in my collection myself but was curious which unit uses it as a Sidearm or Submachine gun outside the sniper rifle. (I already have pictures of a unit from Australia.

I want to use this for a book. So if you got some photos that would be perfect.

I really hope you guys can help me.

 

[MarinePMI]

 

[sodakhunter]

6” Colt Python nickel plated. It was said the long barrel helped with 100+ yard shots and in a CQB scenario the glare from the highly polished nickel plating would temporarily blind any potential threats. Hope this helps. Got this info from @Buddly a while back.

 

[DutchGunCollector]

6” Colt Python nickel plated. It was said the long barrel helped with 100+ yard shots and in a CQB scenario the glare from the highly polished nickel plating would temporarily blind any potential threats. Hope this helps. Got this info from @Buddly a while back.

Thanks do you know something about SMG's?

 

[deersniper]

Mk18

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Mk18

Thanks, but do you know some one in pistol calibers? Like 9mm or .45 or 10mm?

 

[Scwalker83]

I think snipers with smgs sound really dumb. Akin to plate carriers and ghille suits. They don't really go together.

Some m4/mk18 rifle would be my guess. Mk25 sig.

Not being an operator, I can only speculate. If you are on a 2 way range as sniper and you find yourself needing to use a smg much less a handgun you've probably made quite a number of compounding bad decisions.

 

[2ndamendfan]

Oh boy, don't watch the "B" movie "Braven" bad guy uses a glock pistol in a chassis as a "sniper" rifle.

 

[Bender]

Hmmmmm good question.

 

[Lowlight]

We had CAR15s and MP5s

 

[Dewey7271]

^^^^^^^^
There’s your answer

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

And don't forget "go fast" boots.

 

[Lowlight]

Go fast boots
UDT shorts
Pseudo longer hair
No dog tags

heaven on a steel beach

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Lots of good info here:

Special Forces Berlin: Clandestine Cold War Operations of the US Army's Elite, 1956–1990: Stejskal, James: 9781612004440: Amazon.com: Books

Special Forces Berlin: Clandestine Cold War Operations of the US Army's Elite, 1956–1990 [Stejskal, James] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Special Forces Berlin: Clandestine Cold War Operations of the US Army's Elite, 1956–1990

www.amazon.com

MP-5, Swedish-K, Skorpion, Sterling, suppressed Sten, Welrod, CZ75, P38... depends on the era. And the unit. And the nationality. And the mission.

Sirhr

 

[Ric O'shay]

What are "Go fast boots" Lalo's or sneakers?

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Paid to lurk.
Stalking as an acceptable vocation.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

What are "Go fast boots" Lalo's or sneakers?

Non issue boots.
I used Scarpas, they have great strength and flexibility.
Still use them now.
Of all service boots, I liked the Haix and Meindl.
The original GP boots were crap.

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Lots of good info here:

Special Forces Berlin: Clandestine Cold War Operations of the US Army's Elite, 1956–1990: Stejskal, James: 9781612004440: Amazon.com: Books

Special Forces Berlin: Clandestine Cold War Operations of the US Army's Elite, 1956–1990 [Stejskal, James] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Special Forces Berlin: Clandestine Cold War Operations of the US Army's Elite, 1956–1990

www.amazon.com

MP-5, Swedish-K, Skorpion, Sterling, suppressed Sten, Welrod, CZ75, P38... depends on the era. And the unit. And the nationality. And the mission.

Sirhr

Perfect!

 

[DutchGunCollector]

We had CAR15s and MP5s

Perfect! Maby some photos?

 

[M8541Reaper]

I usually run an MP5 with irons, FMJ, and slight of hand.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Perfect! Maby some photos?

If you buy lowlight’s book, there are photos in it, too.

Precision Rifle Marksmanship: The Fundamentals - A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting: A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting: Galli, Frank: 9781951115104: Amazon.com: Books

Precision Rifle Marksmanship: The Fundamentals - A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting: A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting [Galli, Frank] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Precision Rifle Marksmanship: The Fundamentals - A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long...

www.amazon.com

Sirhr

 

[DutchGunCollector]

If you buy lowlight’s book, there are photos in it, too.

Precision Rifle Marksmanship: The Fundamentals - A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting: A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting: Galli, Frank: 9781951115104: Amazon.com: Books

Precision Rifle Marksmanship: The Fundamentals - A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting: A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long Range Shooting [Galli, Frank] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Precision Rifle Marksmanship: The Fundamentals - A Marine Sniper's Guide to Long...

www.amazon.com

Sirhr

Thanks Do you have the book?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Thanks Do you have the book?

Of course. It is excellent and has a great deal of historical reference material in it.

Sirhr

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Of course. It is excellent and has a great deal of historical reference material in it.

Sirhr

Would you please please share some pictures of it with an SMG and sniper? Just an picture is oké.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Would you please please share some pictures of it with an SMG and sniper? Just an picture is oké.

No. Not a chance.

First off, that would be a copyright violation.

Second, not going to cost our HMFIC @lowlight book sales by stealing his content and posting it here.

Third, historical/book research involves using (and often buying) books for that research. Not getting internet folks to post it.

You have got some great leads here. And I am sure more info will continue to flow in. But do do your book research the proper way. And don’t forget proper citations of this thread when doing your bibliography and end notes.

Sirhr

 

[DutchGunCollector]

No. Not a chance.

First off, that would be a copyright violation.

Second, not going to cost our HMFIC @lowlight book sales by stealing his content and posting it here.

Third, historical/book research involves using (and often buying) books for that research. Not getting internet folks to post it.

You have got some great leads here. And I am sure more info will continue to flow in. But do do your book research the proper way. And don’t forget proper citations of this thread when doing your bibliography and end notes.

Sirhr

100% True I just buy it today by Amazon Thanks!!!

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Here is a pretty good starting bibliography.

As long as you are on Amazon.... everything to the Left of Deep Black.

My friend Martin Pegler’s book is highly-recommended. For modern operational doctrine info Coughlins book is excellent. And McBride “A Rifleman went to War” is must read from a foundational sense.

Don’t forget to cite SH under research assistants.

Sirhr

 

[MarinePMI]

Go fast boots
UDT shorts
Pseudo longer hair
No dog tags

heaven on a steel beach

Don't forget the Oakley Razors...

 

[Mike Casselton]

Try this for photos:
WWW.google.com

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Here is a pretty good starting bibliography.

As long as you are on Amazon.... everything to the Left of Deep Black.

My friend Martin Pegler’s book is highly-recommended. For modern operational doctrine info Coughlins book is excellent. And McBride “A Rifleman went to War” is must read from a foundational sense.

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Don’t forget to cite SH under research assistants.

Sirhr

PERFECT INFO! Thanks!

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

So you are "writing a book" but are wanting other people and books pictures....
I do not see that working out to well for you IF you are going through any legitimate publishing company.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Try this for photos:
WWW.google.com

I did already many many days without results

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Hi,

So you are "writing a book" but are wanting other people and books pictures....
I do not see that working out to well for you IF you are going through any legitimate publishing company.

Sincerely,
Theis

I just need info, not specially for an book, but to get many many information.

 

[THEIS]

I did already many many days without results

Hi,

Days??? LOLOL
People spend many many years in RESEARCHING information for their book.

I just need info, not specially for an book, but to get many many information.

Hi,
You specifically said you were writing a book, lol

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Hi,

Days??? LOLOL
People spend many many years in RESEARCHING information for their book.



Hi,
You specifically said you were writing a book, lol

Sincerely,
Theis

Just to find pictures. Its just info for now.

 

[Son of Dorn]

I usually run an MP5 with irons, FMJ, and slight of hand.

Put a silencer on that thing so you won't show up on enemy radar. Git gud scrub.

 

[Lowlight]

Don't forget the Oakley Razors...

we had Ray Bans, no Oakley they didn’t exist yet, they issued Ray Bans and the Seiko dive watch

the ballistic glasses then were Gargoyle which hardly nobody used, Just Dale Sr.

 

[Cascade Hemi]

Just to find pictures. Its just info for now.

Here is what most operators are carrying now:

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

The squabbles over sun glasses......
Like a gaggle of geese, fighting over a loaf of bread.
No one around, till a new "shiny thing"
appears.
And men complain about women and shoes.....

 

[sleeplz]

Whats your book called? Can snipershide members get 1st dibs on ordering?

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Whats your book called? Can snipershide members get 1st dibs on ordering?

I am only busy collecting information. I already have a website with my weapons (I have many more but here are some).

www.snipergeweren.nl (it is in Dutch / English).

 

[DutchGunCollector]

I just bought today an ROF Fazakerly Sten Mk 5

 

[Son of Dorn]

I just bought today an ROF Fazakerly Sten Mk 5

Er, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't full-auto guns illegal in the Netherlands? Is yours a semi-only, then?

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Er, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't full-auto guns illegal in the Netherlands? Is yours a semi-only, then?

I have an special collectors permit to own them. Also full auto.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Is that Steven Seagal?
That guy still alive?

 

[Son of Dorn]

I have an special collectors permit to own them. Also full auto.

Well that sounds like fun.

 

[Son of Dorn]

Is that Steven Seagal?
That guy still alive?

Lol yes it is, from Sniper: Special Ops (IMFDB link).

 

[DutchGunCollector]

Well that sounds like fun.

Yes a lot

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Lol yes it is, from Sniper: Special Ops (IMFDB link).

Good to see they build vest rigs in ExtraFatBastard.

 

[Son of Dorn]

Good to see they build vest rigs in ExtraFatBastard.

I don't think they do build them that big. They all have extra rigs over their plate carriers, it seems. A review says there's "ridiculous webbing bouncing everywhere".