I don't like the $400 fee Horus charges any more than the next guy or for that matter the company much but I do like their reticles so I pay the price.
There is however one thing a Horus reticle has over any other reticle on the market that I can think of.That's being able to use holdovers accurately past 10mils while still being able to easily distinguish .1 mil for wind as well as elevation.So in a "time is of the essence" ELR scenario by the time you've dialed 10+mil to engage target A.I'm already firing my 2cnd or 3rd shot at target A if needed.
I have the LV600 reticle in my NF 2.5-10 which I like a lot.Folks here would always scoff at the idea of even the thought of a BDC type reticle.When I tried it I was surprised myself at how close it was to my original load.But I went about finding a solution to being a 1/2 MOA off at 600Y a little differently.Since I handload I adjusted the cartridges velocity and sightin distance slightly.It's right on the money now at every distance to 600Y at the locale where I primarily use the gun. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who cares if you can't hold over to that degree beyond 10mils, why would you possibly want to... something that far away is not a threat. You are better off holding closer to the center on a scope anyways because out at the edges you have more chance for distortion and aberrations. Most cases with the Horus you have to dial down the power to see all the reticle to hold over that far.</div></div>
Most probably wouldn't care to hold over past 10 mils.I dial nowadays mostly myself but I used to only be able to afford Horus brand scopes "which didn't dial correctly" so I had no choice but to holdover.Distortion,aberrations,small reticle,whatever excuse there is...I could hit the steel out to a mile as good or better than my ELR cohorts who dialed.Ask DesertHK and JTG if you want.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A 10 mil + Hold, is in my opinion stupid... and honestly, I can hold an MLR2 that well. Look at the MLR 2 it goes beyond 10 mils. </div></div>
1.I'd rather either dial all the way or holdover all the way.But if you're out of elevation then dialing and holding is the way it's gotta be.
Unless you and I are thinking of different reticles or NF changed their reticle different from the pics I see on the internet then MLR2 does not subtend past 10 mils with hash marks??? Do you have a link to a pic showing so? I can't find a image for it that'll post.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Firing your second or third shot, please, with the TOF of ELR you are doing this or more likely guessing because what you wrote is full of it. Chances are, with your scope powered down to use your Horus, the thickness of the reticle, you are not seeing your impact to effectively correct. The grid will more than likely block the impact unless you have a 6ft plume of dust. </div></div>
I've been accused of worse for sure,haha,(being full of it) but I also have to differ with you "to a certain point" about dialing down mag and ELR distances.You yourself know that mirage makes dialing down almost a necessity except when shooting first thing in the morning or early evening.Also when shooting big guns the recoil upsets the sight picture enough that dialing down some and using the larger field of view is an asset in seeing your hits either in the dirt or on steel or whatever.I'd rather have it this way than not being able to get back on the target to see where I hit because of a small field of view.Big guns also make large dust plumes.So unless it's rained or there's a lot of vegetation you can see where the bullet struck quite often on medium mag and that's in spite of the so called cluttered Horus reticle.
Example: Recently at a tactical match some of us could not see 6mm holes at 287 yards with our expensive riflescopes because of the mirage so we went to look through the Celestron spotting scope at 60X to spot our hits.It was a no go.We still couldn't see where they were and had to wait till after the shoot was over for the day to view our hits on the board.So this shows that high mag cannot overcome the effects of mirage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In an ELR situation you are not "rushing" the shots, you can't identify that fast, you have to gauge distance more accurately, wind, etc... not to mention more and more scopes have 10 mils in a single turn, i can spin that pretty fast. Throwing rounds at an ELR target isn't smart... distance should give you time, and that time is better off used to execute the shot correctly rather than wasting it throwing a round with a reticle. </div></div>
Normally anybody attempting a ELR shot wouldn't even be trying it without knowing all the relevant specifics appropriate to such a shot,right?.Otherwise your just pissing in the wind whether you're dialing or holding over.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1/2 a Mil Dot in a standard reticle is .1 mils, so I can easily estimate what a .1 mil looks like and I can personally subtend a standard mil reticle, no hash marks or holdovers to .01... so this is a "training" issue not a reticle issue. It's a what separates the lowest common denominators from the rest. Whether or not you can get the accuracy out of the reticle. </div></div>
Since I started off first thing with a Horus reticle I always thought it easy to bracket the target between the .2 mil lines if required.So a .1 mil holdover was a no brainer.
