Rifle Scopes What scopes are coming out at Show Show 2010?

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So I have been looking around for awhile now for a scope, and some people advise me to wait until after the show show. So I have been looking around for what will come out at shot show that is soooooooooo incredible. So far all I have found is the Vortex Viper, do not get me wrong it is a cool scope, but is there anything else that I just can't find?

Connor
 
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Lots of new offerings from Nightforce we hear, but how soon they'll be available for sale is the real question.

Possibly (hopefully) a new reticle for the Hensoldt, but I'd be surprised.

Leupold, maybe some mil/mil offerings and maybe that 34mm scope with the pop can sized elevation turret on top.

I'm sure there will be a lot more than my short list.
 
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Leica and Minox will both be launching new scope lines (nothing tactical).

Kahles might have something if they get a new importer set up.

Redfield (Leupold)
 
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Hopefully NF will have something more than just a higher power F1 scope. While that would be great, it's easily predictable and would be hardly worth the hoopla we've been teased with about what they'll have there.

While I'd be all for them being available quickly, I'd rather NF continues with their trend of not bringing a scope to the market till it's 110% fully tested and bulletproof. Companies bringing high dollar products that haven't been through proper testing letting the customer pay to do it at full price is getting old and happens far too often.
 
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It's higher powered but not like the present F1. You will see why all the hoopla.

Don't worry. It will be well tested before civilian hands get on them.
 
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Two new IORs worth mentioning;

3.5-18x50mm
6.0-24x56mm

Both with FFP reticle, side parallax adjustment, milliradian knobs, a new milling reticle (call the SH-1), push-button illumination, and possibly a zero-stop. No one can tell from the picture.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's higher powered but not like the present F1. You will see why all the hoopla.

Don't worry. It will be well tested before civilian hands get on them. </div></div>

I just hope that they don't get into the price range of S&B.

Any idea when they will be avialable?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaxson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got the new Midway flyer and they had a sweet Counter Sniper.... Anyone use these before? :) </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaxson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got the new Midway flyer and they had a sweet Counter Sniper.... Anyone use these before? :) </div></div>

Not again....
 
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You never know what you will find at SHOT. I make the trip every year without fail, this does promise to be an exciting show. New venue, the gun business still seems to be flourishing under Obama, and more tactical products than ever. I will be firing up the blog The View through the Liberty Optic with daily reports, if there is anything you want me to check out in particular this show, let me know!

Scott
 
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Supposedly NF has something coming out mid 2010 that will not be displayed at SHOT but will retail around $3k. Any one have any idea? I was advised to hold off on any NF purchase until this new product comes to market.
 
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It might be displayed at SHOT but will be talked about. It's a higher powered FFP scope with some interesting upgrades. It would be a good idea to keep an eye on NF. I really want one of the new scopes. I am guessing your price point is high though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It might be displayed at SHOT but will be talked about. It's a higher powered FFP scope with some interesting upgrades. It would be a good idea to keep an eye on NF. I really want one of the new scopes. I am guessing your price point is high though. </div></div>

Thats what I am hoping: 5.5-22 mil/mil FFP GAP reticle would suit me wonderfully. I hope its not $3k.

I was told be someone close to NF that their FFP F1 has not sold well. I find this had to believe. Maybe just the fact that it was lower power than most folsk willing to drop $2k+ typically want. If they are rolling it out in a higher magnification, than this would appear plausible.
 
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Yeah I find it hard to believe also from what I have heard. The power factor is right inline with what most want although some want more. Look at the 3-12 S&B which is more money and still sells well. People overlook the F1 as they perceive the NF F1 as being inferior to other scopes in the same price range and that is their mistake.

NF is rolling it out for a few reasons but because the 3.5-15 FFP isn't selling I don't believe is one of them. More due to the success of the F1 that they are offering the customers more and not just the civilian customers.
 
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I think what may hurt the F1 sales to civilians is that the NSX line is known to have super durability and such and the glass is good but it's nothing to write home about from a pure optics standpoint. People are annoyed by the power ring issue, and the slow focus eyepiece. Also at least here from the posts I've seen lately higher power scopes are selling way more than lower ones.

It sounds like no one can decide if the F1 has better glass or not than the NSX line, some say yes, some say no. So at the $2500 price point if the glass is not better than the NSX line you are paying an extra $1000 just for FFP. That notion, be it correct or not probably holds some guys back, along with the lack of power. That and in the states FFP is never going to sell that well. Especially if US scope makers keep pricing them at insane price points just for the FFP feature. $500-$1000 extra just to get FFP.....anywhere else in the world they would laugh at you for charging that much just for FFP.

It will be interesting to see the new NF scope, but if they price it at $3000, and they probably will since PH has jumped their prices up to that range, and S&B is already there it just continues to muddle the market and put too many products at the same price point in a already tiny market share. Show people a $3000 PH, $3000 NF, and $3000 S&B and most of them are still going to buy the S&B, it's still by far the standard with the most solid rep at that price point.

2010 is going to be a blockbuster year for Vortex it seems. Those sub $1000 ffp scopes are going to be HUGE sellers. IMO the other manufacturers have missed a HUGE opportunity not kicking out a $1000 or less solid tactical scope and they will see this by how the vortex's sell. There has been more excitement over the sub $1000 vortex than any of the new NF or PH scopes in the past, way more.

Their $2000 razor would have been as well if they didn't use a crock pot sized elevation knob on the thing and 35mm tubes. However with the other big players now all in the $3000 range that vortex razor HD is going to look pretty darn good at $2000. Vortex should be sending NF, and PH thank you cards because they just priced themselves out of competition with the Razor.

They are now really the only player in the $1000-$2500+ price range for a quality high power FFP tac scope. IOR has had just too many problems to bother with and leupold well I don't even need to discuss them. I'd much rather be the only quality offering in the $1000-2500 price range for scope sales than one of 3 solid offerings in the $2500-$3500 price range.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think what may hurt the F1 sales to civilians is that the NSX line is known to have super durability and such and the glass is good but it's nothing to write home about from a pure optics standpoint. People are annoyed by the power ring issue, and the slow focus eyepiece. Also at least here from the posts I've seen lately higher power scopes are selling way more than lower ones.

It sounds like no one can decide if the F1 has better glass or not than the NSX line, some say yes, some say no. So at the $2500 price point if the glass is not better than the NSX line you are paying an extra $1000 just for FFP. That notion, be it correct or not probably holds some guys back, along with the lack of power. That and in the states FFP is never going to sell that well. Especially if US scope makers keep pricing them at insane price points just for the FFP feature. $500-$1000 extra just to get FFP.....anywhere else in the world they would laugh at you for charging that much just for FFP.

It will be interesting to see the new NF scope, but if they price it at $3000, and they probably will since PH has jumped their prices up to that range, and S&B is already there it just continues to muddle the market and put too many products at the same price point in a already tiny market share. Show people a $3000 PH, $3000 NF, and $3000 S&B and most of them are still going to buy the S&B, it's still by far the standard with the most solid rep at that price point.

2010 is going to be a blockbuster year for Vortex it seems. Those sub $1000 ffp scopes are going to be HUGE sellers. IMO the other manufacturers have missed a HUGE opportunity not kicking out a $1000 or less solid tactical scope and they will see this by how the vortex's sell. There has been more excitement over the sub $1000 vortex than any of the new NF or PH scopes in the past, way more.

Their $2000 razor would have been as well if they didn't use a crock pot sized elevation knob on the thing and 35mm tubes. However with the other big players now all in the $3000 range that vortex razor HD is going to look pretty darn good at $2000. Vortex should be sending NF, and PH thank you cards because they just priced themselves out of competition with the Razor.

They are now really the only player in the $1000-$2500+ price range for a quality high power FFP tac scope. IOR has had just too many problems to bother with and leupold well I don't even need to discuss them. I'd much rather be the only quality offering in the $1000-2500 price range for scope sales than one of 3 solid offerings in the $2500-$3500 price range. </div></div>


I agree completely, although I'm not jumping on the Vortex bandwagon just yet. I think the scope needs time to dig some roots before just arbitrarily sending them into the GTG zone, but I am interested in these sub $1k FFP mil/mil scopes none the less... I can't afford $2500 scopes on all my rifles, so I'm really hoping these things turn out to have some count to 'em.

If the F1 had came out around the NXS price range, and they had fixed that goofy rotating ocular, I'd have been tickled shitless, and probably have a couple right now. But for a company that charges $100 just for mil adjustments on the NXS, and around $600 for a FFP option, I'm thinking we'll be disappointed with the price hike that comes with whatever new options they have to offer...

 
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As an earlier adopter of a Vortex Razor, I have to say that is has yet to let me down. The glass is clear, the controls are precise and the price is hard to beat. I am going to buy a few of the new sub $1000 scopes when they are released
 
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Oh yes, the vortex offerings will have to prove themselves, it would not be the first time we've seen products that were hailed as top notch and failed. I don't own the Razor as it's too new and I think most elevation knobs are already too big on tac scopes (huge fan of the M3 size knobs) so the Razor is out for me. These days if the product isn't on the market for a year, with relatively no problems I won't touch it anymore. I've been burned by way too many new big $ products from respected companies and the hype that went with them and their reviews only to be disappointed.

NF again, yeah the whole dealer pricing issue is annoying, the rotating ocular is annoying, and the super slow focus eyepiece makes it very hard to properly adjust. I had forgot about the stupid price increase for mil knob options.

But if you are Vortex, granted the tactical market will always be a tiny share of their total sales, you have to be PUMPED. You now have the ONLY offering sub $2500 that has top end features and glass that so far has had few issues, though is relatively unproven. You have IOR which seems to be almost 50% good/bad, Leupold might have something new, but again until leupold demonstrates they are going to take quality control seriously I won't touch them. And a smattering of other offerings that are just not up to par, knobs don't match the reticule, poor glass, not FFP, etc.

On top of that vortex will have the sub $1000 tac scopes, with matching knobs, FFP, what looks like a good reticule, that *if* solid scopes are going to sell by the truckload.

So you're vortex, you now have what may very well be only 2 even remotely interesting, quality scope options in the tactical market from the $500 price point to the $2500+ price point. I'd be a hell of a lot happier with that business plan than if I just priced my tactical scope up to $2900 to compete with the proven big boys in the $3000 price range.
 
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Todd, the F1 is $2290 and it comes with rings and a sunshade so price wise to compare it would be at about $2100 for an apples to apples. Not overly expensive and it's also been proven in military hands for a year before it hit civilian hands and has taken the abuse. Been in civilian hands about a year now and no major problems. The scope works.

The eye piece is not a big deal and made for the military as it is made to be able to make gross movements and not have to fumble for a power ring under stress. Reach up, grab the whole eye piece and turn. I have found it to be a non issue even with BC covers.

As for focusing the reticle, I have 4 NF scopes and never had a problem doing it with any of them. Simple as any other scope I have owned.

As for glass, that has been hashed out here before. Search for Lowlight's discussion on the subject. I can tell you the F1 glass is better than some other "high end" scopes people gush about here. Compared to a S&B, the S&B is slightly better but seeing a 5" dot at 1000 yards with the F1 is no problem so how much better you want? I've used most all of the high end optics from all the big players and I don't feel the least bit handicapped using the F1 and actually find it better than most in cost and features given to the shooter. I love the scope myself.

The F1 was a totally new line from the other SFP NF scopes so yes there was a price increase as development costs money. All in all the price isn't bad but it's up to the end user if he wants to spend the money on it.
 
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Very true, and all scopes are going to have some downsides at any price. The F1 isn't at a bad price point for the 3-15, if you only want 15x, if their new higher power option compares to the price point of the vortex then that will be a different story, but I bet it's closer to $3000 than $2300. Especially if it's a whole new scope from the ground up and not just a higher power F1. If they bring out a 5.5-22 or 5-25 F1 scope for $2500 or less great, it would be on my list, at $3000 I'll buy S&B. If I wanted a 3-15 FFP at the NF price I agree it's right there with anyone's offerings.

You hit on the best quality of the NF, it's bulletproof, and it works, absolutely durable and always well tested before hitting the market. That alone is what sells NF to many people and frankly more scope companies should strive for that.

Many, myself included have had problems getting the focus correctly adjusted. It's just too fine of an adjustment, I can make a full turn on the focus adjustment and see almost no difference, so getting it just right is harder. I did get it adjusted pretty well, but it's a huge pain, thankfully it only has to be done once. Just because you don't have problems with it, doesn't mean others don't and it's been reported by a significant amount of people that obviously for some it's not ideal.

Yes the ocular can be used with BC's but it's annoying, you have the cap lid flopping from side to side either obstructing the parallax or the windage at various powers. Again, can it be made to work, sure, do I understand the reason for it (ease of use for military in all conditions) yep, do I like it....nope. I'd be willing to bet it even allows a more durable ocular end of the scope since it's all one unit. It's still a pain in the ass.

Glass isn't the only thing in a scope. I've read the reviews on here about the F1. Everyone says it's good glass, but there are a lot of conflicting reports on if the glass is any better than the NSX line, many say yes, many say no. I agree the glass on the NSX line is good, but if you want your scope to be priced with the big boys in the $2500+ range you better have the glass to compare as well. If the S&B glass is noticeably better, that would mean the PH glass is better, and the vortex glass may be as well.
 
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Price is going to be interesting to see and none of us here have any control on that. Just look at Premier. I am sure no one here would want that 25% increase but companies do things for different reasons. I am hoping the new NF will come in at a street price around $2500 so it's more affordable but again we all have to wait and see and anything said about it is speculation on everyone's part.

I use both my F1s with BC covers and find no problems using them. You just need to set them up right so tht they are far to one side when the power is on max. covering the parallax isn't a problem for me as there is nothing to see there. You don't need to see it to turn it. My other scopes have the BC on that side anyways. As for the wind, I hold wind but I don't see it being a big problem when it's set up right.

And just because you do have problems working the occular doesn't mean everyone does. I am sure some do but I would bet a majority don't. Lots of NF scopes on this site and I have only seen maybe a handful of posts complaining about what you are. We can nit pick all the little points on any scope if you would like.

The S&B glass to me is not noticeably better. Don't play with the words to try and make a point. I said slightly in the way one Nascar car is slightly faster than another. A shooter would not be upset or have trouble seeing and hitting the target with either.

Again you are with the $2500+ range talk. The F1 isn't that much. The new scope? Who knows.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very true, and all scopes are going to have some downsides at any price. The F1 isn't at a bad price point for the 3-15, if you only want 15x, if their new higher power option compares to the price point of the vortex then that will be a different story, but I bet it's closer to $3000 than $2300. Especially if it's a whole new scope from the ground up and not just a higher power F1. If they bring out a 5.5-22 or 5-25 F1 scope for $2500 or less great, it would be on my list, at $3000 I'll buy S&B. If I wanted a 3-15 FFP at the NF price I agree it's right there with anyone's offerings.

You hit on the best quality of the NF, it's bulletproof, and it works, absolutely durable and always well tested before hitting the market. That alone is what sells NF to many people and frankly more scope companies should strive for that.

Many, myself included have had problems getting the focus correctly adjusted. It's just too fine of an adjustment, I can make a full turn on the focus adjustment and see almost no difference, so getting it just right is harder. I did get it adjusted pretty well, but it's a huge pain, thankfully it only has to be done once. Just because you don't have problems with it, doesn't mean others don't and it's been reported by a significant amount of people that obviously for some it's not ideal.

Yes the ocular can be used with BC's but it's annoying, you have the cap lid flopping from side to side either obstructing the parallax or the windage at various powers. Again, can it be made to work, sure, do I understand the reason for it (ease of use for military in all conditions) yep, do I like it....nope. I'd be willing to bet it even allows a more durable ocular end of the scope since it's all one unit. It's still a pain in the ass.

Glass isn't the only thing in a scope. I've read the reviews on here about the F1. Everyone says it's good glass, but there are a lot of conflicting reports on if the glass is any better than the NSX line, many say yes, many say no. I agree the glass on the NSX line is good, but if you want your scope to be priced with the big boys in the $2500+ range you better have the glass to compare as well. If the S&B glass is noticeably better, that would mean the PH glass is better, and the vortex glass may be as well.

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I found that when grabbing and turning the whole eye piece that if the knurled collar wasn't tight it would break loose and change the focus. I absolutely hate the whole eye piece turning and find the argument that its easier with gloved hands (or gross motor skils blah blah blah) to be bullshit.

NF probably has the best QC of any scope on the market but I find their idiosyncrasies too much to tolerate at the price point.

I'm with Todd on all points except Leupold and only because they're close and I can have problems addressed quickly. The Mil/Mil option from Leupold on the MK4 will be welcomed.
 
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Dollar for dollar Nightforce makes the best scopes on the market in terms of features, durability and accuracy.

A lot of the issues people complain about are personal issues as well as straight up operator error. Example, the idea that the ocular focus ring will come "loose" and will turn, who's fault is that ? the scope or the shooter. I personally have never had an ocular focus come loose and frankly, because it is such a fine thread, it would take a lot more than a 1/4 turn to put it out of focus... you usually need a least a full turn or more to effect the reticle focus.

Price wise, FFP scopes, in order to be done right are going to be more expensive, simply because the reticle has to subtend correctly when put into scope. Having a reticle correct on one power is much easier than having it right at all of them. NF spent more than a year with the F1 out being used by military shooters before anyone not military on this board saw one. That says a lot.

Part of what you pay for is peace of mind, peace of mind in knowing your scope is accurate, and that will hold up to any abuse, intentional or otherwise.

I know what NF is planning for Shot, and I know what they are planning for 2010, and can honestly say they are not only listening, they are testing and re-testing before rushing anything to production. they are sampling elements of the community as well they put a lot of stock in their military customers input. This is the one fact that there are a lot of NF scopes in service yet they don't try to push it or rest on their laurels because its so. We have nothing near the problems when the guys use the NF compared to the problems with see with Leupold.

People will pay much more for a scope with similar features or even a few dollars less and then have no problem sending it back for work... granted scopes are mechanical and can break, but I can say NF has a far less return rate than many others out there.

The fact they are listening speaks volumes, the only one I know who is on that same listening level is USO, they will custom make any feature for you. Nightforce doesn't have a reputation as a custom house but they have lot more features then people give them credit for, I will say that. Not to mention they will adding to those features because they are listening come this year.

They don't need aggressive bases, and still you get 100% of the travel, try putting your 4-16X S&B on a flat top AR10 and tell me how much elevation you got for your $2600... It's universal in its application and not limited to special needs products. I have a bunch of 30MOA bases on my rifles, specifically for S&B scopes, most people don't have that luxury, with a NF it doesn't matter.

I like my NF scopes, I like I can talk to them about what I see and need and they take it seriously. They may not be the fastest to production but when it does come out, you know its right. As far as glass, well their resolutions is fine, the issue is they don't color coat it for that pop, but the resolution is very strong. A lot of ELR guys use them because of the adjustments and you never hear them bitch they can't see the target. they are used in competitions, .50 cals, etc, why because they work.

At least that is my 2 cents on the matter.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

At least that is my 2 cents on the matter. </div></div>

Yeah but what do you know?
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Well written as usual Lowlight.
 
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ToddM,

I agree with you, on nearly everything you said.

The Razor's big knob and 35mm may not appeal to you, fine. But it has been thoroughly tested before reaching the market by military and civilian shooters and will do eveything the F1 can, but with optics that are <span style="font-style: italic">more enjoyable</span> to use, and a zero stop/zeroing process that is quite innovative, <span style="font-style: italic">for less money</span>.

The NXS glass is adequate to get the job done, but I find it underwhelming for the price point, in all areas. More importantly, are the calls and emails and PMs from guys who tried out the NXS scopes and found the same thing. But, as a riflesight, the NXS has a track record to be envied in the industry.

Another wrinkle, is how a company responds to comments/ criticism about their product. Some take it well, and some don't. I find companies that take the feedback from the common enthusiast with respect and attentiveness refreshing.

Only 18 more days!

Scott
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A lot of the issues people complain about are personal issues as well as straight up operator error. Example, the idea that the ocular focus ring will come "loose" and will turn, who's fault is that ? the scope or the shooter. I personally have never had an ocular focus come loose and frankly, because it is such a fine thread, it would take a lot more than a 1/4 turn to put it out of focus... you usually need a least a full turn or more to effect the reticle focus.

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The end user is always responsible for checking and double checking that nuts and bolts are tight. However, its less of an issue with other scopes. Other people feel the same way, you can try to explain it away but that doesn't change the perception. Again, NF has an enviable QC track record but they have some peculiar quirks.




 
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<span style="font-style: italic">"more enjoyable"... </span>

Scott, I like that line, it's a good one. But I will have to say, I alternate a lot between my S&B and my NF, both are on my work rifles and for whatever reason, I often find myself switching back and forth and can honestly say, glass wise I have never thought to myself, one was more <span style="font-style: italic">"enjoyable"</span> over the other.
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Now, to qualify that, I will say, if you are looking at the sight picture and you want to remark on enjoyment, the only scope I think fits that description is the Hensoldt.. but that is a whole other discussion.

As far comments and criticism, it's much easier to <span style="text-decoration: underline">criticize</span> as we would all agree, and because of the very things like FFP vs SPF, the ocular power adjustment, the adjustment per turn, etc, people feel those things give them license to "<span style="font-style: italic">complain</span>" and "<span style="text-decoration: underline">criticize</span>" so they (NF) have taken using trusted sources, as everyone who "<span style="font-style: italic">buys</span>" a scope feels they are qualified to <span style="text-decoration: underline">design</span> a scope. If you can't understand that, well then I can't help you. But I will tell you, <span style="text-decoration: underline">they do listen</span>.

Nothing wrong with the Vortex, few things I would change, but otherwise it's a decent first entry into the $2k scope range. But, it's not more "<span style="font-style: italic">enjoyable</span>" to me to use.
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See you at Shot.
 
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I like that we have all these options The fact that we have so much to choose from is a good problem for us as shooters to have.

Nit picking is part of the shopping process. Same as when you buy a car, you might not like the way certain features of a car appeal to you, that doesn't mean the car is crap, just means that you prefer another better for you.

Whenever it comes to me spending $2K+ on a scope, I'm surely going to nit pick away, I don't get to make these big purchases often...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as everyone who "<span style="font-style: italic">buys</span>" a scope feels they are qualified to <span style="text-decoration: underline">design</span> a scope.</div></div>

So true and so not limited to rifle scopes.
 
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It is certainly an interesting time, with all of these new designs and updates directed at our market segment coming out. This cannot going for too many more years before the manufacturers have to settle in to collect on all of this R&D. For me, every option that's revealed is like a present under the tree; even if it isn't an option I think I'd choose. It was just a couple of years ago that your options were: S&B, USO, NXS, Mk4, Super-Chicken. That was it, pic your ratio of features/price-point and you're done. Now we have a veritable cornucopia.
 
#37
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I know this thread has digressed from the original topic, but i came in late, so . . . Glock24, thanks for posting the info and pic of the new IOR, i was just about to do some searching to find out what they are supposed to be coming out with. Between these and the new viper, im going to have to sell some rifles to buy new glass.
 
#38
Re: What scopes are coming out at Show Show 2010?

Man, great discussion.

As a side note, why in the world hasn't every manufacturer who offers a mil-dot based reticle, at any price point, come out with milliradian adjustments? The FFP vs SFP is big money R&D so I understand not going FFP but the adjustments are much simpler. If you can make the reticle, you should be able to make the turrets. I agee with Todd that an upcharge for mil turrets is tough to swallow. FFP, maybe a small increase.

I had a guy try selling me a NF 5.5-22 NXS with the MLR reticle and MOA turrets. Now I realize for a long time this is the only way they were made but why would anyone now pay full boat for a mismatched optic? Sure, you may be used to MOA but you are losing a valuable benefit of the scope. I am sure there is some math equation for converting MOA to Mils but who wouldnt rather look thru the scope counts mils and dial it?
 
#39
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Mil/mil makes sense now, but mil/MOA was accepted for years.

Part of resistance to mil/mil is the nonsense that mil adjustments require ranging in meters.

British biologist J.B.S. Haldane noted in the <span style="font-style: italic">Journal of Genetics</span> that ideas have to pass through stages of acceptance.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Four stages of acceptance:
i) this is worthless nonsense;
ii) this is an interesting, but perverse, point of view;
iii) this is true, but quite unimportant;
iv) I always said so.
</div></div>

It now appears that mil/mil is approaching stage iv, especially with people who weren't around for the prior stages.
 
#40
Re: What scopes are coming out at Show Show 2010?

Interesting observation Lindy, I've been shooting a Leupold VX-3 with M3 turrets and a FFP Premier Gen II reticle for about 5 years now. I dial sometimes and hold other times, that keeps me fresh on both MOA and MRAD's. Because I'm comfortable with using both types of adjustment at the same time, I can now pick up just about any optic, regardless of what unit of measurement it adjusts in and be successful. I see this as a benefit rather than a hindrance or an inconvenience. Though If I had the cash laying around, id buy a real nice optic from Company X,Y,Z.

But for now the Leupold will have to suffice, i'm saving for an Lamborghini Countache kit for my 1984 Pontiac Fiero. It's gonna be awesome.

 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two new IORs worth mentioning;

3.5-18x50mm
6.0-24x56mm

Both with FFP reticle, side parallax adjustment, milliradian knobs, a new milling reticle (call the SH-1), push-button illumination, and possibly a zero-stop. No one can tell from the picture.

POZA10.jpg

</div></div>

Wow....

Anybody have more info on the 3.5-18x50? MSRP? Availability? I hope its under $1300...
 
#42
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kindred_spirits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow....

Anybody have more info on the 3.5-18x50? MSRP? Availability? I hope its under $1300... </div></div>

Not a chance.
 
#43
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March has a new 8-80x56mm scope coming out.

How cool, a rifle scope that has more power then most of the spotting scopes on the market.
 
#45
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Possibly (hopefully) a new reticle for the Hensoldt, but I'd be surprised.

Leupold, maybe some mil/mil offerings and maybe that 34mm scope with the pop can sized elevation turret on top.
</div></div>

or new sniper reticle from S&B....
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about Leupold- was there new Leupy model in that leaked Remington 338Lapua video?
Apparently idea was to publish vid in SHOT 2010.
 
#46
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I had 2 10x60 March scopes. They were just as clear as the S&Bs scopes. They track great. I had 2 things about the scope I didn't like. The tube was only 30mm therefore when turning the scope on 40X to 60X the scope did not let enough light in. The second thing was the Inch pounds on the scope rings was 10 inch pds. This second thing might not be a big deal but makes you think about how sturdy the scope is.

Now they are coming out with the 10x80 34mm tube scope. How much will this let in light and how sturdy is the scope? I will say this scope is very nice piece of glass but is it really a tactical scope if you inch pounds is only 10 inch pds. The reason I say this is Kelby told me not to exceed this because of the tube.
Personelly when I own the scopes I never shot the scopes past 25X. I use the scope more for spotting than a shooting application.
 
#47
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We will be introducing a new fixed 4x. Here is a CG image that shows a view from the ocular side.

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This one shows it mounted on a G36 with one of our CNVD's for a size perspective. It's really compact.

1zftq34.jpg


We will be at booth #27203 in the LE section.

See you all there!

Take care,

Nathan Hunt
 
#49
Re: What scopes are coming out at Show Show 2010?

It will have a circle and cross hair reticle with a BDC feature for 5.56 NATO.

It's hard to tell from the photos, but the whole thing is covered in a thick rubber jacket.

It feels tough like a rubber coated aluminum brick!

I am really excited about it.
 
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