What Sling do you Use? (GAP 10 / AR Style Rifle)

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Hey Guys,

Got my GAP 10 in the mail. I've heard a bunch of different opinions on slings. Trying to figure out what will be the best for my use.

What do you guys use?

I typically will be using mine for hunting while walking / hiking. And also some range use.

Single point? 2 Point?

Thoughts?
 
#7
I'd go vtac, either padded or non padded. I've got an MS2 and single point is no good for what you want to do, and the 2 point mode is clunky compared to the vtac.

Single point is better suited to short rifles and kicking doors, 2 point is enormously better for walking/hiking/hunting.
 
#13
+1 VTAC

VTAC Two Point with QD swivels and two to one adapter. Easy application strong/weak side offhand (in single point config), can move the rifle to your back and cinch it down if climbing gets rough (two point). It's a very easy going sling for quick tightening and loosening (overall mechanism of the sling).
 
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Smokerroller said:
Are all these recommendations for the VTAC because it is padded? What about the TAB sling or the Vickers tactical sling from blue force. Nobody likes those today?
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The VTAC has the best tightening and loosening mechanism of any of the slings I've tried. I don't have a padded one. My rifles aren't heavy enough to really need one, I don't carry them that long, and the pad makes the movement of the sling a little more difficult. But, the pad is nice for heavy rifles or if you're going to wear one hands-off for a while. I tried the Vickers a while back and didn't like it as much.
 
#16
Padded VTAC 2-point quick adjust. For position shooting, it's hard to beat. Other sling designs usually have to be set up for one specific clothing/gear configuration, whereas the VTAC adjusts to anything, as long as you set it up optimally for your range of clothing/gear.

Depending on how you want the gun oriented while walking during your hunt, you have several options.
 
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Spiff034 said:
My rifles aren't heavy enough to really need one, I don't carry them that long, and the pad makes the movement of the sling a little more difficult.
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I see a lot of people throwing the VTAC out there but I have to ask how many of them are using it on a GAP-10, an OBR, or any similar platform when judging from the comments like above they're not even remotely similar to the OP's request. Those rifles aren't exactly light, they get used in matches where you have to carry them for extended periods, and frankly padding interferes with trying to sling in certain positions. Of course padding is great if you only ever shoot prone and just want a sling to carry the rifle around...
 
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_Nick_ said:
I see a lot of people throwing the VTAC out there but I have to ask how many of them are using it on a GAP-10, an OBR, or any similar platform when judging from the comments like above they're not even remotely similar to the OP's request. Those rifles aren't exactly light, they get used in matches where you have to carry them for extended periods, and frankly padding interferes with trying to sling in certain positions. Of course padding is great if you only ever shoot prone and just want a sling to carry the rifle around...
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Yes, I use it on everything, to include my GAP .260 AR with a very heavy 22" barrel for long-range matches. On one stage of FinnSniper 2010, I was able to out-shoot at least 90% of the other shooters with it when we did the kneeling position shoots from behind large storage barrels. I locked-in very tight and it held better groups and shot placement than guys with bolt guns and cuff-slings.

Depending on whether the OP has a muzzle device or not, he can sling-up on his back cross-sling, or carry in a patrol position. If riding 4-wheelers, the VTAC will facilitate the most adaptable adjustability to his gear & clothing, whereas a lot of the purpose-built cuff slings and other types will be almost worthless in that regard.
 
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_Nick_ said:
I see a lot of people throwing the VTAC out there but I have to ask how many of them are using it on a GAP-10, an OBR, or any similar platform when judging from the comments like above they're not even remotely similar to the OP's request. Those rifles aren't exactly light, they get used in matches where you have to carry them for extended periods, and frankly padding interferes with trying to sling in certain positions. Of course padding is great if you only ever shoot prone and just want a sling to carry the rifle around...
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I use it with my CMMG 308 and SCAR Heavy... and yeah, I've carried them extended distances and multi-day excursions with it. And haven't really had the padding interfere with anything I was going to do. The OPs purpose: "I typically will be using mine for hunting while walking / hiking." - Yeah, I can say I recommend the VTAC for that application.
 
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_Nick_ said:
I see a lot of people throwing the VTAC out there but I have to ask how many of them are using it on a GAP-10, an OBR, or any similar platform when judging from the comments like above they're not even remotely similar to the OP's request. Those rifles aren't exactly light, they get used in matches where you have to carry them for extended periods, and frankly padding interferes with trying to sling in certain positions. Of course padding is great if you only ever shoot prone and just want a sling to carry the rifle around...
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The padding on the VTAC is only along where it contacts the shoulder when properly adjusted. I can't think of a way it would interfere with slinging up, but if you have an example I'd like to hear it. Precision isn't really my game and I'm doing my best to learn some of it. It does make the sling a little slower to move around, so for 3 gunning I don't recommend the padding, but with a heavy rifle in a non-timed or long-timed event I would.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
Yes, I use it on everything, to include my GAP .260 AR with a very heavy 22" barrel for long-range matches. On one stage of FinnSniper 2010, I was able to out-shoot at least 90% of the other shooters with it when we did the kneeling position shoots from behind large storage barrels. I locked-in very tight and it held better groups and shot placement than guys with bolt guns and cuff-slings.

Depending on whether the OP has a muzzle device or not, he can sling-up on his back cross-sling, or carry in a patrol position. If riding 4-wheelers, the VTAC will facilitate the most adaptable adjustability to his gear & clothing, whereas a lot of the purpose-built cuff slings and other types will be almost worthless in that regard.
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I don't recall the GAP-10 being available in 2010... and I don't see how a sling with a built-in cuff application can't be used as a cross sling, patrol carry, or while on an ATV...
 
#24
Stand.Deliver. said:
I use it with my CMMG 308 and SCAR Heavy... and yeah, I've carried them extended distances and multi-day excursions with it. And haven't really had the padding interfere with anything I was going to do. The OPs purpose: "I typically will be using mine for hunting while walking / hiking." - Yeah, I can say I recommend the VTAC for that application.
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Comparing a SCAR to a GAP-10 is literally apples to oranges.
 
#25
Spiff034 said:
The padding on the VTAC is only along where it contacts the shoulder when properly adjusted. I can't think of a way it would interfere with slinging up, but if you have an example I'd like to hear it. Precision isn't really my game and I'm doing my best to learn some of it. It does make the sling a little slower to move around, so for 3 gunning I don't recommend the padding, but with a heavy rifle in a non-timed or long-timed event I would.
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In a timed stage which most matches are I don't see how something that would slow me down would be beneficial. And in "precision" match shooting slings are extremely important for numerous positions. I appreciate your honesty though. I think a lot of people are hooked on the koolaid of VTAC and yet the USMC uses TIS slings and numerous experienced and great match shooters use TIS as well as TAB with results. Like everything though it's a matter of opinion...
 
#26
If you're going to be using it for position shooting, the TIS or TAB are two of your best options. Shooting loop sling style from positions beats hasty sling any day of the week.
 
#28
I use a TIS Quick Cuff on my LMT. I've only shot it on the bench, not cuffed. I note for carry I would like it a hair longer. I QD at the wrist on my PRS stock and at the front of the rail.

While shooting I QD to a KAC QD point just behind my bipod. I like to snug the sling in my off hand while pushing forward with my shoulder to load the bipod. One thing I find annoying is that I end up having the attachment for the quick cuff in my hand.

I am considering a TAB RAS and either saving the TIS for an M40 build (dream) or using it on my Garand or 03 as an easier alternative to a leather M1907.
 
#29
I have a POF 308, same form as the GAP-10. I use the VTAC padded 2 point. Works excellent, the padding helps (somewhat) to keep it comfortable walking around for long periods which I do alot of when hunting. It's still a heavy rifle, there's not much that you can do to alleviate that, but I certainly would not try to use a single point, it's way too heavy for that.
 
#30
_Nick_ said:
Comparing a SCAR to a GAP-10 is literally apples to oranges.
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Your kidding me right? Weight wise both of the rifles I referenced are similar to a GAP-10 and thats what we are talking about here. Understood a SCAR doesn't have the same accuracy but we are talking about taking it through the woods and hiking. You are picking the one thing I casually referenced and using if for why I'm wrong. You are the one not talking about the OPs request, talking about matches when he's hiking with the rifle.
 
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_Nick_ said:
I don't recall the GAP-10 being available in 2010... and I don't see how a sling with a built-in cuff application can't be used as a cross sling, patrol carry, or while on an ATV...
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The GAP-10 wasn't available in 2010, which is why I indicated "GAP .260 AR". It was the 2nd large-frame AR I had George/Jeff build for me before he had the GAP-10.

I was raised on leather military slings rigged for loop, and have only handled the TAB and TIS slings, so I admit that I am not experienced with them enough to offer a comparison based on experience with both.

For the OP's purposes, a simple quick-adjust 2-point sling is one option that has performed much better for me than 99% of the other slings that I have used, including the ones I used to make and sell myself. As soon as I saw the VTAC sling, I stopped making my sling design for ethical reasons, because I changed over to the VTAC.

Can the TAB and TIS slings be adjusted as quickly as a VTAC? I honestly don't know.
 
#32
I am a huge fan of the Ares Armor Husky 2 point sling. They are amazing and I have used it for the last 3-4 years on M4's, MK 18's, SCAR 17's and MK 11/M110SASS rifles.(The Ares Husky does not have any excess material ('pig tail') that hangs from it) Huskey Amentum Slider Sling - Ares Armor
I also used a Viking Tactics VTAC 2 point for a few years before that and loved it, except the long pig tail that hangs from the slide adjuster. The VTAC sling has the most room for adjustment in my opinion and also locks down the tightest.
I did also use the Vickers 2 point sling from Blue Force Gear for a while but did not like the material it was made out of and thought there was not enough room for adjustment and there was also a lot of friction when using the adjustment slide, espically when dirty.
 
#35
sbaird4000 said:
I have a Larue and like it a lot. LaRue Tactical Padded Sling | LaRue Tactical
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The LaRue is actually a padded Vtac with slight variations (sewn in swivels and a quick-release feature).

_Nick_ said:
I see a lot of people throwing the VTAC out there but I have to ask how many of them are using it on a GAP-10, an OBR, or any similar platform when judging from the comments like above they're not even remotely similar to the OP's request. Those rifles aren't exactly light, they get used in matches where you have to carry them for extended periods, and frankly padding interferes with trying to sling in certain positions. Of course padding is great if you only ever shoot prone and just want a sling to carry the rifle around...
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My suggestion on the padded Vtac comes from use with several weapons, including a 14.5# scoped Maten.
 
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#37
USGI sling for two reasons:

-I'm a cheap-ass.

-I prefer constricting slings when shooting with a loop sling.


Although I really want to try out a Mountain Shooter sling.
 
#39
Bravo 1 said:
My thoughts exactly.



I also vote for the TAB.
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I agree that you don't want a single point for a GAP10. My GAP10 is heavy and you'll hurt your neck and shoulder humping it through the woods hiking and hunting. It'll make you a hunchback and feel stove up the rest of your outing. I use single points on my AR15s but they are shorter barrel and noticeably lighter. Whichever brand you select, I would also recommend padded 2 point. It saves on sore body parts when you are doing 10 miles a day or so.
 
#40
We have some padded VTACs at the store... I'm going to go play with them a bit and see what all the hype is about or if a bunch of you just like pads, lol...
 
#41
cramey74 said:
Check out the Saavy sniper sling they look real nice
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I have to agree with this and the suggestion of the Ares Armor Husky slings. I have used both the Vtac and Vickers/BF slings and the excess tail when tightened down has always been the only negative thing I can say about either model(and thats knit picking)See picture below. I did have the opportunity to play with the Saavy sniper and Ares slings and they have addressed the excess tail issue with their design.Ares is also making a precision rifle version called the Amentum LR sling. It looks interesting but I have not had the opportunity to try it. They have a video of it being used here. They only negative about any of the afore mentioned is that you cannot cuff up if thats what you want to do. As far as a single point goes, that has to be a joke right? Even with short barrel SBRs they beat your knees/body up when your not holding it in your hands,especially if you have to run,kneel down and use both hands, etc. The only time in my career that I have found a single point sling to be an ideal set up has been when doing window breaches while on rappel and thats it.

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#45
Papa Zero Three, good video and advice. I have only used the origional Huskey 2point sling from Ares Armor but that new "LR" version looks like a great sling for the stationary shooting of a heavier rifle.

Also good point on single point slings above, as they are basically obsolete in the tactical shooting world(no offence anyone) and definatlly will not help you in meduim to long range stability. In my opinion, nothing really beats a good 2 point adjustable sling, whatever brand you choose.
 
#46
pmclaine said:
I use a TIS Quick Cuff on my LMT. I've only shot it on the bench, not cuffed. I note for carry I would like it a hair longer. I QD at the wrist on my PRS stock and at the front of the rail.

Hey Brother, take the back end and unsling it so you have one long strap. Then connect it like front end. Now you have enough material for patrol carry. If after you run nylon through tri glide buckle you come back over and thread through one end of buckle it will lock the buckle/nylon so they act like a one handed adjuster for quick length adjustments. That's why I use the round triglides so as long as you don't have tension on them you can easily slide them. Once tension is on they wont move though. Give me a call with any questions 510-919-7286
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#49
I see a bunch of people recommending the Padded VTAC... Will I need to buy an adapter as I have a Magpul PRS stock. Looks like the butt strap would interfere with the PRS articulations.
 
#50
I really like the Biathlon sling that Rifles Only sells. It's made with great quality and carrying a rifle with 2 shoulder straps is awesome. It comes in multiple variations if you need a sling for different shooting positions, but I went with the simple one and it does everything I want. Makes a great sling for carrying any heavy rifles also.
 
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