What software / app for measuring group sizes?
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Ballistic x app is the only measuring app ive ever used. Super simple and feature loaded. I think its like 5 bucks or somethin on the app store.
BallisticX for phone and On target for PC (that's what you have in your photo. OnTarget is more feature rich in terms of saving and zooming, plus has some other measurements/aggregates that can be useful. Along with the ability to put multiple groups on a single photo.
But BallisticX is fast, and super simple:
AFAIK, Ballistic-X doesn't do multiple groups on one target - you'd have to take separate images, or start over for each.
The picture originally posted is from On-Target Precision Calculator. There used to be a free version (v 1.x) and the 2.x version had more features and was pay-only (free trial period, though). It is Windows only, no love for Mac/Linux/Chromebooks.
There are some other apps out there like RangeBuddy/SubMOA, etc. that do have some more features beyond Ballistic-X, but doing detailed analysis of more than one group on a smart phone is kind of a PITA, to be honest. As far as web apps, Taran is not terrible.
If you *really* want to get your geek on, there is always shotGroups...
Personally I prefer doing it directly on my ShotMarker e-target when I can, but I wish it had a few more bells-n-whistles as far as the group analysis goes, but then again, one can always export the data to shotGroups
The picture originally posted is from On-Target Precision Calculator. There used to be a free version (v 1.x) and the 2.x version had more features and was pay-only (free trial period, though). It is Windows only, no love for Mac/Linux/Chromebooks.
There are some other apps out there like RangeBuddy/SubMOA, etc. that do have some more features beyond Ballistic-X, but doing detailed analysis of more than one group on a smart phone is kind of a PITA, to be honest. As far as web apps, Taran is not terrible.
If you *really* want to get your geek on, there is always shotGroups...
Personally I prefer doing it directly on my ShotMarker e-target when I can, but I wish it had a few more bells-n-whistles as far as the group analysis goes, but then again, one can always export the data to shotGroups
Nice info. Will have to check those out!AFAIK, Ballistic-X doesn't do multiple groups on one target - you'd have to take separate images, or start over for each.
The picture originally posted is from On-Target Precision Calculator. There used to be a free version (v 1.x) and the 2.x version had more features and was pay-only (free trial period, though). It is Windows only, no love for Mac/Linux/Chromebooks.
There are some other apps out there like RangeBuddy/SubMOA, etc. that do have some more features beyond Ballistic-X, but doing detailed analysis of more than one group on a smart phone is kind of a PITA, to be honest. As far as web apps, Taran is not terrible.
If you *really* want to get your geek on, there is always shotGroups...
Personally I prefer doing it directly on my ShotMarker e-target when I can, but I wish it had a few more bells-n-whistles as far as the group analysis goes, but then again, one can always export the data to shotGroups
I recently found out Ballistic AE will measure groups.
It requires some work but it’s not overly difficult.
It requires some work but it’s not overly difficult.
I just downloaded Ballistoc X after reading this post. I just say it doesn't get much easier.
I will now be shooting at 1" dots or graph paper so I have a reference for the app.
I will now be shooting at 1" dots or graph paper so I have a reference for the app.
BallisticX here too. Been messing with it on steel as well and works just fine.
I use SubMOA which is free of IOS. Funny thing is you need a reference distance for it to work so I get out the calipers, set to 1", scale with the app, outline my group, then measure. It looks nice when you're done, but you end up spending about 10x the amount of time you would if you just used the calipers to measure the group and subtract the bullet diameter.
I much prefer a PC app than a phone app... Especially because I like to process several groups per target image. OnTarget is the best, IMO.
I made this video demo not long ago:
I made this video demo not long ago:
Such as? I'm not an expert. I'm still learning.
The only other thing I can think of that might make a good video topic are the "virtual groups" (or as I call them "composite groups."
Bingo. I've seen where people have used those for plotting OCW tests. I think the manual mentions it, but IIRC its a tad light on details on that particular facet. If you've got it figured out, a screen cast / video would be *awesome*.
I'll see about doing that. It's pretty easy.
I started a thread about that function here: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-calculator-composite-groups-feature.6945613/
Actually, this is more what I was referring to:
Where the process breaks down for me is the 'built-in' function that will automagically scan a target sheet (only one of the ones provided for download/print by OnTarget) only works with one shot per bull - not with three or five shot groups per bull, which is the way I typically do OCW testing. The 'ADC' number is kind of a misnomer, as its an 'average' of only one shot.
Getting from the big strung-out mess of the virtual group (like what you linked to) to precise, coherent information like this, but with 3-5 shots per bull... is where I was looking for info. And no, the developer isn't interested.
At this point, my current approach would be to export the point data from the groups to a CSV file and pull it into something else (spreadsheet, RStudio, etc.) and manipulate it to *make* a graphic like the one TDS produces for the one-shot-per-bull targets. Just haven't got around to it
Where the process breaks down for me is the 'built-in' function that will automagically scan a target sheet (only one of the ones provided for download/print by OnTarget) only works with one shot per bull - not with three or five shot groups per bull, which is the way I typically do OCW testing. The 'ADC' number is kind of a misnomer, as its an 'average' of only one shot.
Getting from the big strung-out mess of the virtual group (like what you linked to) to precise, coherent information like this, but with 3-5 shots per bull... is where I was looking for info. And no, the developer isn't interested.
At this point, my current approach would be to export the point data from the groups to a CSV file and pull it into something else (spreadsheet, RStudio, etc.) and manipulate it to *make* a graphic like the one TDS produces for the one-shot-per-bull targets. Just haven't got around to it
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Actually, this is more what I was referring to:
Where the process breaks down for me is the 'built-in' function that will automagically scan a target sheet (only one of the ones provided for download/print by OnTarget) only works with one shot per bull - not with three or five shot groups per bull, which is the way I typically do OCW testing. The 'ADC' number is kind of a misnomer, as its an 'average' of only one shot.
Getting from the big strung-out mess of the virtual group (like what you linked to) to precise, coherent information like this, but with 3-5 shots per bull... is where I was looking for info. And no, the developer isn't interested.
At this point, my current approach would be to export the point data from the groups to a CSV file and pull it into something else (spreadsheet, RStudio, etc.) and manipulate it to *make* a graphic like the one TDS produces for the one-shot-per-bull targets. Just haven't got around to it
Ummm.... no idea what that is. LOL! You lost me there. Where is that OCW function? I don't see it in the program.
IIRC, you have to look thru the manual - it's only available via hotkey. 'V', maybe? Not in front of a computer with OnTarget TDS on it at the moment.
OK.... hot keys do not work for me. Weird. I found the in-program help / manual.
By "hot key," just pressing the letter should make the function happen? No CTRL or ALT? Just the key? None of it is working for me.
Scratch that.... got them working. Cool.
Still haven't found the OCW function.
By "hot key," just pressing the letter should make the function happen? No CTRL or ALT? Just the key? None of it is working for me.
Scratch that.... got them working. Cool.
Still haven't found the OCW function.
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This is Jonathan from Ballistic-X. I have been following this post for a while...we launched the App initially with a bare-bones version that was within our budget. Since then the App has done very well and we are re-investing for some updates for current $7.99 version, while also making a "ToolKit" that give users more comprehensive tools. If you have any suggestions as to what we should offer, please let us know!
As of now, we are tossing around some ideas: Rifle Log, Auto-Targets (App auto-recognizes target, reference size, POA...just mark impacts and score), True Range Zero Tool (Frank keeps mentioning the need for this)...and a few others
As of now, we are tossing around some ideas: Rifle Log, Auto-Targets (App auto-recognizes target, reference size, POA...just mark impacts and score), True Range Zero Tool (Frank keeps mentioning the need for this)...and a few others
The ability for multiple groups on one target sheet would be the biggie, IMO.
Nice to have, but probably only really appeal to a (relatively) small group - options for other group size calculations like mean radius, CEP, confidence level, etc. sorta like what TARAN provides, but in a more mobile friendly app.
Nice to have, but probably only really appeal to a (relatively) small group - options for other group size calculations like mean radius, CEP, confidence level, etc. sorta like what TARAN provides, but in a more mobile friendly app.
...and hence, does not fill the same market niche as BallisticX does.
That said, I have OnTarget TDS. And if you *really* want to get your geek on, check out shotGroups... but be prepared to have to a bit more work.
I wanted an easier way to measure shot groups in where I didn’t need special targets or had to mark an inch reference, so I built Ballistics Report.
Plus there’s a ton features, including global benchmarks for shot group metrics, charts and graphs to track improvements and a ton more.
Always looking for feedback so let me know if there’s something it’s missing. And it’s free to try.
Plus there’s a ton features, including global benchmarks for shot group metrics, charts and graphs to track improvements and a ton more.
Always looking for feedback so let me know if there’s something it’s missing. And it’s free to try.
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