What the Royal Fuck is going on...

[Lowlight]

Wholly Shit!

Has the ignorance on the internet taken a colossal leap in the last few months or what?

I know that after leaving Scout I have endeavored to add things and share them around the internet, but WTF is going on? Everything posted now is an attack, everything is to be debated by "experts" and my qualifications mean nothing anymore.

Just today, attacked for writing 6.5CM

6.5 cm to 308? Wow, that's a big fkn round lol. Pretty sure you mean 6.5 mm not cm, haha dumbass, never heard anyone say that...must be another lazy yank way of shortening stuff that doesn't need shortening

Guys arguing how good their Savages are and what the hell do I know, not qualified to comment, etc etc. This is in the Age when guys like Mike Lamb can be outed for being fakes, and world of Steve Reichart is lying his ass off claiming to be a Marine Sniper. (He is not)

It's everywhere, like it's a worldwide conspiracy to attack everything I say? Someone even posted this on my SH FB Page:

Hello, I wanted to start off saying that I thoroughly enjoy your websites and articles. I have noticed a recent trend of trolls misrepresenting your articles in order to push their "Flat Earth" platform. You may already be aware of this, but I feel like I at least owed it to you to say something about it.

These are just the tip of the iceberg. Beyond the usual FB Comments and debates, these are people who actually believe they know something. Mainly from guys who's only argument is, they owed one, or their friend has one, or they heard. But fuck if these people won't let it go.

I feel we are an island here where at least the majority have a clue. Used to be I would tell people that 10% of what you read here was good. (In the context of millions of posts) but now I believe we are easily up to 90% and it's 10% bad. The rest of the internet world is down to 2% at best.

When I did my Bench vs Prone vs Recoil Management video, guys ran to "Rex" to get confirmation ? Who the fuck is REX ? I need him to do a video backing me up as if. Guy barely served, never a Sniper, does not compete, nothing he does beyond is videos has any merit beyond YouTube. Had a good meta tagging, he included the word sniper and was nothing more than reading out of the 1994 Army Manual doing cheap voice over crap. Here I compete, train, been doing this for a while now and stil, I need Rex to verfiy my work. LOL Again, WTF

Ya, some of what I write or how I write it is, stream of conscience-ness stuff, so I miss words, spell check may change a word or two, but still, Is it that bad the point is not being made. The videos are at least pretty well done.

Help me out here, what am I missing that can make this clearer ?

 

[QuickNDirty]

To understand what we're witnessing today, one must have an understanding of the history of technology, especially in the context of communications. One would do well to follow the bleeding edge of technology as well.

My best effort to dump my observations is as follows:

A large number of folks, some of them rather insidious, some awfully smart, and many a bit of both, are, from many vectors, fucking with the 'connected' in such a way as to render them unto consumerism, complacency, and those other things which do not a man make.

Stated another way, there's a concerted effort to eradicate 'old-school' programming and replace it with some new-age pussified bullshit.

Batten down the hatches, folks. Thar be a stupid storm a'commin.

 

[MarkCO]

Nothing missed Frank. The world has changed and the 20-30 somethings have some whacko method of deciding who is, and is not worth listening to with their noses in their phones. I got an "infraction" on another site for disagreeing with a lawyer about a topic in which I have extensive knowledge and literally just testified in court about. It is insanity. While I have not met "Rex" I have met, RO'd and competed against many of the Internet commandos/bloggers and the lack of skill is astounding. It is sad. Cause...their only power lies in attacks, not working to be a better shooter.

The only thing I do with your data, advice, is try it out at the next range session in earnest to become a better shooter. Have I read some things you have said that I disagree with? Probably, but not on the actual fundamentals of shooting the rifle.

Carry on. Ignore the ignorant is becoming a better path for me.

 

[supercorndogs]

LOL. The other day. "6.5 Creedmore? Just cause you or one of your buddies has one doest make it, a common round. .308 is the most accurate long range round on the planet."

You don't have your approved by REX patch, and you give classes? How do you get people to show up? LOL

I guess thats the down fall of being a spokesperson for an emerging discipline, imegrging from a discipline that 90% of the people who practice; know very little about.

 

[DetroitRearView]

Frank,

unfortunately you are not missing a thing...rampant ignorance abounds it seems in every field; including this one unfortunately. I sometimes sit back and think all of the words spoken on this earth and try to quantify the value of that constant stream...very minuscule I believe.

Your work is top notch, including the videos, comments and articles. I owe a huge debt to you and fellow 'Hide members to help me grow in knowledge base and abilities.

So I can say is Thank You and know this: that we all benefit immensely from you personally and from this forum.

 

[Lowlight]

So, it's the Common Core of Marksmanship and Shooting

I thought I understood the "me" in all this, but now I am just not sure. If I was a bit more "ah shucks" about things, maybe it would be more palatable to people, but frankly, I am not sure about that anymore.

I need a video compilation of guys wrecking their Vipers and Ferraris to show that Ownership does not equal competence.

 

[Dtarget]

An alarming number of the current "adult child" generation were on psychotropic drugs at some point during early childhood. Delusions of granduer are the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Wholly Shit!

Has the ignorance on the internet taken a colossal leap in the last few months or what?

I know that after leaving Scout I have endeavored to add things and share them around the internet, but WTF is going on? Everything posted now is an attack, everything is to be debated by "experts" and my qualifications mean nothing anymore.

Just today, attacked for writing 6.5CM

6.5 cm to 308? Wow, that's a big fkn round lol. Pretty sure you mean 6.5 mm not cm, haha dumbass, never heard anyone say that...must be another lazy yank way of shortening stuff that doesn't need shortening

Guys arguing how good their Savages are and what the hell do I know, not qualified to comment, etc etc. This is in the Age when guys like Mike Lamb can be outed for being fakes, and world of Steve Reichart is lying his ass off claiming to be a Marine Sniper. (He is not)

It's everywhere, like it's a worldwide conspiracy to attack everything I say? Someone even posted this on my SH FB Page:

Hello, I wanted to start off saying that I thoroughly enjoy your websites and articles. I have noticed a recent trend of trolls misrepresenting your articles in order to push their "Flat Earth" platform. You may already be aware of this, but I feel like I at least owed it to you to say something about it.

These are just the tip of the iceberg. Beyond the usual FB Comments and debates, these are people who actually believe they know something. Mainly from guys who's only argument is, they owed one, or their friend has one, or they heard. But fuck if these people won't let it go.

I feel we are an island here where at least the majority have a clue. Used to be I would tell people that 10% of what you read here was good. (In the context of millions of posts) but now I believe we are easily up to 90% and it's 10% bad. The rest of the internet world is down to 2% at best.

When I did my Bench vs Prone vs Recoil Management video, guys ran to "Rex" to get confirmation ? Who the fuck is REX ? I need him to do a video backing me up as if. Guy barely served, never a Sniper, does not compete, nothing he does beyond is videos has any merit beyond YouTube. Had a good meta tagging, he included the word sniper and was nothing more than reading out of the 1994 Army Manual doing cheap voice over crap. Here I compete, train, been doing this for a while now and stil, I need Rex to verfiy my work. LOL Again, WTF

Ya, some of what I write or how I write it is, stream of conscience-ness stuff, so I miss words, spell check may change a word or two, but still, Is it that bad the point is not being made. The videos are at least pretty well done.

Help me out here, what am I missing that can make this clearer ?

Don't mean to be mean, but I'm cracking up over the thought of you running around with your eyes bulging out, hair on fire, ripping it out. Trails of flames behind you...................

You know this better than any of us that don't run a website; The Internet levels the playing field, whereby any halfwit with even the tiniest glimmer of intelligence now has the opportunity to beef up their own ego by posting any kind of bullshit he/she wants or can dream up. I dunno, "welcome to retail" ? Ever given any thought to what the "average" politician actually, honestly thinks about his constituency when he's trying to sway them to vote for him ? "People of WalMart" ?

I think I saw there are more than 11,000 members on this site. What are the odds there are a fair number of ding dongs in that 11K number ? (not looking good, is it ?.....).

Dunno......Pick Your Battles ? Don't take it too seriously ?...........In a hundred years, it isn't going to mean fuck all anyway.........

(You don't happen to have Rex's number handy do you ?...........)

 

[BLKWLFK9]

Frank, u think it's bad in the precision shooting world?? lol, spend a day in the K9 world and you'll be dying to come back and deal with the, "My RAP is just as guud as your $10k custom rifle" crowd.
internet trainers think they are Navy SEAL k9 qualified just bc they bought a German shepherd off Craigslist and watched the movie "Max." I would feel safe saying that out of 100 shooters, a MUCH higher percentage of them know what they're talking about than out of 100 K9 handler/trainer wanna be's. Count your blessings that it isn't worse than it is....yet..

 

[MarkCO]

If you were less sure of yourself, less knowledgeable, more self-effacing, less rationale, normal people would like you more...and then you would be less valuable to those who need your expertise. A mix of two quotes stated to me yesterday. I think that fits here for you Frank.

 

[diverdon]

Wholly Shit!

Has the ignorance on the internet taken a colossal leap in the last few months or what?

I know that after leaving Scout I have endeavored to add things and share them around the internet, but WTF is going on? Everything posted now is an attack, everything is to be debated by "experts" and my qualifications mean nothing anymore.

Just today, attacked for writing 6.5CM

6.5 cm to 308? Wow, that's a big fkn round lol. Pretty sure you mean 6.5 mm not cm, haha dumbass, never heard anyone say that...must be another lazy yank way of shortening stuff that doesn't need shortening

Guys arguing how good their Savages are and what the hell do I know, not qualified to comment, etc etc. This is in the Age when guys like Mike Lamb can be outed for being fakes, and world of Steve Reichart is lying his ass off claiming to be a Marine Sniper. (He is not)

It's everywhere, like it's a worldwide conspiracy to attack everything I say? Someone even posted this on my SH FB Page:

Hello, I wanted to start off saying that I thoroughly enjoy your websites and articles. I have noticed a recent trend of trolls misrepresenting your articles in order to push their "Flat Earth" platform. You may already be aware of this, but I feel like I at least owed it to you to say something about it.

These are just the tip of the iceberg. Beyond the usual FB Comments and debates, these are people who actually believe they know something. Mainly from guys who's only argument is, they owed one, or their friend has one, or they heard. But fuck if these people won't let it go.

I feel we are an island here where at least the majority have a clue. Used to be I would tell people that 10% of what you read here was good. (In the context of millions of posts) but now I believe we are easily up to 90% and it's 10% bad. The rest of the internet world is down to 2% at best.

When I did my Bench vs Prone vs Recoil Management video, guys ran to "Rex" to get confirmation ? Who the fuck is REX ? I need him to do a video backing me up as if. Guy barely served, never a Sniper, does not compete, nothing he does beyond is videos has any merit beyond YouTube. Had a good meta tagging, he included the word sniper and was nothing more than reading out of the 1994 Army Manual doing cheap voice over crap. Here I compete, train, been doing this for a while now and stil, I need Rex to verfiy my work. LOL Again, WTF

Ya, some of what I write or how I write it is, stream of conscience-ness stuff, so I miss words, spell check may change a word or two, but still, Is it that bad the point is not being made. The videos are at least pretty well done.

Help me out here, what am I missing that can make this clearer ?

At least I'm not the only one who gets called a dumb fuck.

 

[JMGlasgow]

I saw that Rex video and wondered why his idiot fans needed confirmation. I watched your video first, and it was in the recommended videos below.

Have you watched Colion Noir's video about his new 6.5 Creedmoor bolt action? The comments are hysterical.

Keep fighting the good fight Frank. Don't let the stupid FacePalm trolls change how you present your posts and videos. I find them to be a wealth of information.

 

[Darkside-Six]

It's not you Frank. It's just how people are these days. I blame a lot of it on Facebook. I'm a member of many precision rifle FB groups. Most of them you are as well, and I've noticed over the last year or so a lot more of these so called "experts" come out of the woodwork. Many of them spewing off shit that is so overly inaccurate it's comical and they all come off like it's doctrine. Then, when you challenged them they have a mod ban you or tag a shit load of their friends to come gang up on you and many of them are just some good old boys that couldn't hit the road side of a barn but they watched a YouTube video about coreolis and spin drift so they went out and bought an RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor, put an Athlon on it and suddenly became an expert. I say fuck them. Just keep doing what you're doing. Those that know......know.


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[Lowlight]

Is it that, I am too mean, that is a serious question?

I do call it like I see it, while I don't consider that "Mean" it does appear that correcting a person is in fact, Mean.

The PRS hit piece I did had an impact, and attention was brought to a growing problem. People responded, in fact the 1st nasty post went super viral, the follow up where I toned it down, not so much. Since that article, the problem has grown somewhat in my observation. There was a certain level of "Fuck Frank" for saying out loud what was being talked about in private at length. I had many discussions on that topic and in fact talking with George Gardner he flat out stated when the whole incident at Rifles Only went down, "When Frank hears about this he will flip", so it was a known issue.
Was that the beginning of the end, I pissed off the PRS crowd enough to unleash the trolls?

Mean, or Not, is it better to dismiss or ignore false information for fear that calling it out will illicit a wider negative response?

Possibly I am mixing up opinions with statements of facts, not wanting a dumb opinion to conflict with the information I am attempting to convey simply because the poster does not understand it. So maybe I need a new canned response. "Your Opinion is Duly Noted, thank you for taking the time to respond" ... honey vs vinegar argument.

Confused.

 

[bogeybrown]

Wait a minute, SH has a Facebook page? How the hell did I miss that? Oh yeah, now I remember: it's the same people sending pictures of being stopped in traffic or or their special unique Egg McMuffin breakfast that are also offering opinions on everything. I think I'll continue to pass on that, although it may be fun to tune in now that I know there's some guy named Rex that has all the answers.

 

[bogeybrown]

Frank, u think it's bad in the precision shooting world?? lol, spend a day in the K9 world and you'll be dying to come back and deal with the, "My RAP is just as guud as your $10k custom rifle" crowd.
internet trainers think they are Navy SEAL k9 qualified just bc they bought a German shepherd off Craigslist and watched the movie "Max." I would feel safe saying that out of 100 shooters, a MUCH higher percentage of them know what they're talking about than out of 100 K9 handler/trainer wanna be's. Count your blessings that it isn't worse than it is....yet..

God ain't this the fuckin truth.

One of my favorite games was to wait until there was a group of trainers around and say something about E-collar techniques and then walk away. I'd go smoke a cigarette and watch them motherfuck each other.

The only thing 3 K9 trainers can agree on is that the other 2 are wrong.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Of those people that matter, who do you think they respect more; the crusty old troll that knows his shit and speaks his mind, or some dumb jerk that's already been described ad nauseam above ?

You are the former. It's in your DNA, you couldn't change it if you wanted to. Besides, of the people that matter on this site, no one is looking for you to pussy out. I don't think the majority of people here would let you get away with it.

<Mean, or Not, is it better to dismiss or ignore false information for fear that calling it out will illicit a wider negative response? >
That's one of the reasons I spend as much time as I do on this site. Personally, I appreciate being able to interact with people smarter than me, that are passionate about their vocation or hobby, that are more than happy to speak their mind and to hell with the consequences. If I wanted to listen to pussies, I'd turn CNN back on.

Roll with it and figure out how to not lose sleep over it. There are lot more people on this site than it appears that really value your experience and opinions than you may think.

 

[Wild_Bill]

Hey frank i saw the post it was just an idiot that knows nothing trying to be a hero.

I stayed out of it because im generally not to tactfull dealing with moronic fuckwits of facebook.

Facebook has brought out every tool with a phone or cam corder and now there all experts i watch a few videos and cringe at the gun handeling and content they put up. Most know nothing or even less but now people see them as experts.

I dont think your to mean Frank never have but every Facebook page has its agenda so i let them all play there games.

If they bring that crap here just boot them we dont need the toxic asseholes here.

Cheers Bill

 

[Trigger Monkey]

So Rex recommended this gem in one of his videos and I think that tells me just about all I need know.... All the PRS shooters are going to be jumping on this thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgY493OESk&t=996s

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Some people don't know what they don't know. Hint.

 

[diverdon]

Is it that, I am too mean, that is a serious question?

I do call it like I see it, while I don't consider that "Mean" it does appear that correcting a person is in fact, Mean.

Get serious, 99% of hiders would rather know exactly where they stand with some one, than have someone beat around the bush droping hints.

The PRS hit piece I did had an impact, and attention was brought to a growing problem. People responded, in fact the 1st nasty post went super viral, the follow up where I toned it down, not so much. Since that article, the problem has grown somewhat in my observation. There was a certain level of "Fuck Frank" for saying out loud what was being talked about in private at length. I had many discussions on that topic and in fact talking with George Gardner he flat out stated when the whole incident at Rifles Only went down, "When Frank hears about this he will flip", so it was a known issue.
Was that the beginning of the end, I pissed off the PRS crowd enough to unleash the trolls?

Just a few trolls might have a lot of faces. How often do you see one IP address have more than one account.

Mean, or Not, is it better to dismiss or ignore false information for fear that calling it out will illicit a wider negative response?

Possibly I am mixing up opinions with statements of facts, not wanting a dumb opinion to conflict with the information I am attempting to convey simply because the poster does not understand it. So maybe I need a new canned response. "Your Opinion is Duly Noted, thank you for taking the time to respond" ... honey vs vinegar argument.

Confused.

Probably just a few turds we picked up from being with scout. Hope you learned your lesson.

 

[Clearlight]

Doesn't matter what world we walk in , there are always new guys whose knowledge is far outweighed by
their enthusiasm .. There's many ways to deal with it , the older I get ignoring it seems to be the best
or possibly easiest way for me .

As far being ' mean ' , for f's sake continue to be yourself . In most team environments whether Mil , LE or
SS/ intel , a chap will get run over pretty hard if he ' fakes the funk ' or isn't up to speed where he should be .
Its what drives us on and makes us better : how it should be . Don't change LL .

 

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the internet is full of mongoloids and 2 bit retards who think they know how to "snipe" because the bolted a scope to an AR15 and watched a youtube video.............

you know what you are doing Frank, and you know your shit.....if you see someone being a fucking idiot spouting shit......call them on it......and if the morons start bawking....let them.....its the best way for idiots to reveal themselves.

 

[Lowlight]

One point, this is not an issue here. SH has actually shed a lot of these idiots.

Where I am seeing this trend is FB and especially YT.

A funny side note to back this up, I spoke to Alan today of Machine Gun Tours. We just posted the Ruger Integrally Suppressed video. He received 3 emails today inquiring about the rifle. A complete rifle with suppressor etc is $2899 from him. 3 Emails requested the rifle with Vortex 3-18x scope included. 3 people emailed asking about the rifle and wanted the scope included. LOL Stupid is as stupid does

I have no plans of changing how I operate on here. I just see this trend getting worse and unfortunately you have to advertise as any idiot with a Facebook account can create a "group" and fill it with 5000 people. I get added to groups everyday by people I have never heard from. To go under the hood, one of the reasons to go scout originally as I saw this happening with FB back in 2014 and figured they were my competition. I was hoping a network would help compete, it was part of it, and clearly FB is the competition. So you cannot operate without using it.

There are days, not often, but days I will troll these groups to entertain myself. But lately I just avoid them beyond dropping links to my stuff. fuck em

 

[Deleted member 10043]

The Rapture left mostly dumbasses on the Internet. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the dolls...

 

[Alphatreedog]

Frank if breathing were a conscious voluntary action you would not be posting this . The fact is most people are so effin stupid that if breathing were voluntary they would friggin forget and my drive home would be great . People have come to be self important . They have come to form opinions based on feelings rather than reasoning and fact . And operating under these parameters these fucksticks believe that if I have a thought or if this is the way I feel on a subject it must be fact . As far as precision rifle goes I can confidently make the statement that I cannot find my ass with both hands in the dark . That is why I am here . Thru reasoning , reading , surfing the web , seeing who competes and who defers to whom , who the shooting sports tv shows defer to I have reasoned that there are two individuals that are the top of this discipline . Those two individuals are Frank Galli and Jason from Rifles only . I hope I spelled your last name correctly . I am in no way discounting the men from BHTC , or Ghost or anyone else . This is what I have deduced in my research and reasoning . Yeah there may be some subjectivity in there as there is in any opinion but this is not based on I felt or I thought so it must be . Please do not mistake this as chapstick as that is not my shtick . Being at the top will bring detractors . Speaking the truth will brings slings and arrows . Some people really do have the ability to ignore the people who talk shit and launch verbal if not written attacks . Not one of my attributes either . I am a physical individual and if called out I receive that as a challenge and mentally go to lets dance . I don't as is evidenced by my freedom and lack of a record . Yeah it sucks when some know nothing tool wannabee attacks you and you are being attacked because you are the authority , the top , the source . Again no chapstick . Steel yourself against the bullshit . You know your accomplishments , triumphs and followers . How many of the losers went thru Paris Island , Marine Scout Sniper School , served in any way , competed , or have done anything of merit in there pathetic lives . This calls to mind the loser professor from Drexel who expressed his ilk about the offering of a first class seat to a soldier . Society has changed and a significant number seem to sink to the lowest common denominator at the drop of a hat . Know who you are about . I share your struggle in my chosen profession with detractors and have to remind myself constantly that some one's shit talk does not diminish my brilliance . So no one's shit talk diminishes your brilliance .. Own it and fuck them . And thanks for the site .

 

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Where I am seeing this trend is FB and especially YT.

well theres youre problem...you ever read the comments on just a random article or video?.....the 60% of them are 12-18yr olds.....30% are just fucking idiots....and only around 10% have a clue about what they are talking about.........its literally like this on every video/ article.........the stuff you post isnt going to be any different.

i literally stopped commenting on those sites just because arguing with them isnt worth it.

 

[mercracing]

I'll keep this short and sweet. Keep telling it like it is Frank. Those that want to hear and learn will stick around. You are super knowledgeable and don't mind sharing that knowledge, and everyone here appreciates it.


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[thejeep]

You forgot about the guy who was bitching about how you haven't reviewed the scope he wants to buy.

Wtf can't he just got buy it and review it himself.

 

[Darkside-Six]

There are days, not often, but days I will troll these groups to entertain myself. But lately I just avoid them beyond dropping links to my stuff. fuck em

Lol. Yeah o get added to groups all the time and I can't keep track of them. There was a group that Graham and I got added to that was so ducking bad that anyone who argued with a mod got banned. They had some BS rule that there were a lot of "experts" in that group and if anyone contradicted their opinion it needed to be backed up with evidence or it would be removed. Long story short, me and Graham started trolling them hard. Argued with all of them and called out so much of their bullshit until they banned us. It actually took longer than I had hoped. Lol.


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[Lowlight]

Got it, so the new social media response is:

Thank You for your UnInformed Opinion, your response has been noted and will be filed in the appropriate recycle bin.

 

[Maggot]

In the little redneck town I grew up in we had saying to cover this sort of situation.

"Fuck'em".

 

[ArmyJerry]

Well I have a theory, attending more than a few gun shows here in the greater Houston area I noticed a huge change in the demographic and look in the people attending post election and post Orlando. I see a lot of skinny jean wearers, met a couple that were of the liberal persuasion and university professors getting their first guns. A 30 something black man with his 7 year old daughter, he told me direct he was afraid after he election of Trump then we discussed side arms that he was considering. I think we are seeing a group of people arming up out of fear, this is good in a few ways but also challenging for the likes of the Hide. Some of these people are just plain asswipes but a lot of them are realizing for the first time in their lives that they are their own defense. I try to be patient and do the best to welcome them in to this world and maybe just maybe we can convince them of the ways of the gun, always mention safety courses available tp them and if on teh range help tehm out. Gun sales are still very high, and it aint our side on the buying spree like we were the past 8 years.


Or it could be that Frank is a magnet for asswipes.

 

[NY700]

So here is my general observation of a lot of the crap out there.
One simple fact I think we can all agree upon is technology has greatly reduced that initial learning curve. Tell me 30 years ago what you would have had to do to get the basic intro lessens on technique concepts equipment and everything else that you can get now in minutes online via sites like SH. Accurate shooter, YouTube. And so on.

This gives the young, the new, the ill informed an inflated believe of skill and knowledge. But again to be honest these people probably got a step up faster than people would have 30 years ago.

Now add to that the participation, no question is a bad question, everyone's ideas matter and feelings are as important as facts and results, to the equation.

We know have a slightly more informed and just knowledgeable enough to be dangerous group who expects to be heard and acknowledged at the same level as a tenured, trained, subject matter expert.

I guess to a degree we have to accept this as the playing field we are in. How one chooses to approach and respond then is up to them individually.

I think there is some merit in placating to this group in that it is the only real chance you will have of actually educating them if that is your ultimate hope.

You other option is to degrade and demean them, cast them off as the over indulged group they are but you need to do that with the understanding that they will leave feeling less bad about themselves as they will leave feeling confirmation that you are less "evolved" and therefore justifying their position that your less reputable.

To this I have had people respond "what the fuck do I care what they think about me". But again it's not about you it's about them and ultimately what do you want of them. Do you want them to learn and get there or do you just want them to go away. Not have merit! But 20 years from now with out them we will have a hole and a vacuum, and what may fill it may be worse!


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[jrassy]

Fuck em

 

[Lowlight]

I hate to say it, it's a lot of old guys who for year have hit the range MAYBE once a month with their Savage. Seasonally of course, they probably shoot less than 1000 rounds a year. These guys have found the internet and they have earned the right to argue because they have owned the same 3 rifles for 30 years. Its the 6.5CM is a fad crowd, it's the less is more guys who don't understand what the hell they are reading but feel they know more than the next guy.

I don't see it being a lot of 30 somethings but more like 50 and 60 year olds doing the talking.

 

[2ndamendfan]

The internet, and mostly Youtube has made everyone and anyone think they know everything. Dumb asses believe everything they read/watch and Smart asses know it and capitalize on that fact with videos and blogs.

I like this place because it does in fact seem that we have some very special people here.

I am extremely successful in my career and a couple people here know it. I get shit from people that think they know more than me and 90% of the time it from the internet. Happens weekly at least. I just nod say "OK" or "sure" and walk away. If I have their phone number or contact info, I remove their name and insert something to the effect "Asshole DO NOT answer". So when the phone rings that is what the caller ID shows. I am 3 weeks behind at least, I need them like I need AIDS. I currently have 23 people in my phone who have the first name that starts with ASS.
I am ( as most here should be) confident enough in myself that I do not need to win arguments or have a who's dick is bigger contest.

 

[Strykervet]

Lol. Yeah o get added to groups all the time and I can't keep track of them. There was a group that Graham and I got added to that was so ducking bad that anyone who argued with a mod got banned. They had some BS rule that there were a lot of "experts" in that group and if anyone contradicted their opinion it needed to be backed up with evidence or it would be removed. Long story short, me and Graham started trolling them hard. Argued with all of them and called out so much of their bullshit until they banned us. It actually took longer than I had hoped. Lol.


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Did that site have something to do with a "Road" perchance? Been kicked off a site for similar reasons as you state, resident expert was NOT to be challenged, when I did and won, and presented the fucking proof they wanted, well, I got banned for that.

The "expert" was some pogue it turned out in 'Stan, had plenty of time to play on forums, and by virtue of that alone he was not only a hero, but an expert as well.

This is the only one worth a shit when everyone is around, but these changes really bring the quality down... Scout ran a lot of people off for good and invited several hang arounds that don't add anything to the pool.

 

[Strykervet]

I hate to say it, it's a lot of old guys who for year have hit the range MAYBE once a month with their Savage. Seasonally of course, they probably shoot less than 1000 rounds a year. These guys have found the internet and they have earned the right to argue because they have owned the same 3 rifles for 30 years. Its the 6.5CM is a fad crowd, it's the less is more guys who don't understand what the hell they are reading but feel they know more than the next guy.

I don't see it being a lot of 30 somethings but more like 50 and 60 year olds doing the talking.

6.5CM is a bit of fad crowd if you think about it... 7.5CM and similar PAK gun calibers are far more common.

 

[Rthur]

I hate to say it, it's a lot of old guys who for year have hit the range MAYBE once a month with their Savage. Seasonally of course, they probably shoot less than 1000 rounds a year. These guys have found the internet and they have earned the right to argue because they have owned the same 3 rifles for 30 years. Its the 6.5CM is a fad crowd, it's the less is more guys who don't understand what the hell they are reading but feel they know more than the next guy.

I don't see it being a lot of 30 somethings but more like 50 and 60 year olds doing the talking.

Yep, them old fuckers are crazy.
They got their Telikin computers and started surfing.

R

 

[Sethshaun]

Get serious, 99% of hiders would rather know exactly where they stand with some one, than have someone beat around the bush droping hints.

I agree.
Fuck em in the neck Frank.
We got your back

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Guy Montag]

Frank, the questioning of your shooting bona fides is the giveaway, only a troll is pushing that button.

 

[Mr. Z]

In the little redneck town I grew up in we had saying to cover this sort of situation.

"Fuck'em".

+1

 

[Tnc]

Fuck em indeed Frank. Keep doing you. That's why we come to the hide.

 

[101stinfantry]

People are getting collectively dumber, I see them in droves, and they are for sure getting dumber. I had a couple late last summer, went on a kayaking trip, found some dumb drunk fucker who had run his truck off in the river and drowned. Since they were traumatized by their discovery somehow I owed them a free trip. WTF? How was I in anyway responsible for the dumb drunk fucker getting himself dead? They said I was "rude" and "insensitive", among other things. I feel confident they won't be back, but will be replaced by a couple more, just as dumb.........probably more so.
I'm an absolutely awful PR marksman, but if I say, or opine something that isn't right, I appreciate feedback that sets me straight, otherwise I'll never advance from awful to bad.

 

[Dirty D]

So Rex recommended this gem in one of his videos and I think that tells me just about all I need know.... All the PRS shooters are going to be jumping on this thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgY493OESk&t=996s

I used to get really annoyed when I saw shit like this, now I am grateful that these clowns choose to self identify.

 

[Redmanss]

My personal favorite SH/Galli troll kill was H2OMan and his fucking M14 love-fest. Fucker backed down with a million excuses, most laughably that his gun was down, when called out to bring his game to the Cup. Maybe he had an IOR on it as well, who the fuck knows or cares enough to remember. He was beat down by getting called to the carpet, to prove his outlandish shit, and the only thing that came of it was the yellow streak down his back was fully exposed prior to his banishment. That's how they need to be treated, called into debate, then to prove their story/theory, or to shut the fuck up. Prove the science bitches.

Fakes: Yeah, they're amongst us, even here, and it's always funny how they're some of the loudest mouths. They know who they are, and lately I've been getting pretty tired of bullshit. I might feel better tomorrow when I pick up my lady flying in from AFG, because even my woman has more time in country than these fuck heads, of course for these fuck heads that isn't saying much, she had that before her badge was cut.

Fucking punk shits.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I watched a couple of those trainRex.... I'd never heard of him until this thread.

All I can say is... wow. Just wow.

And he sure did a great job picking the best sniper rifle! In that 20 minute video.

Did I mention... wow.

Our Commandante has nothing to worry about....

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Snipe260]

Theirs no common sense left by majority of people any more. They haven't a clue about damn near any endeavor you look at. People have gone apeshit stupid in this country. I think it stems from lack of doing. Theirs way too many people running things they have never done and only read about and studied. You gain common sense by doing things and the younger generation for the most part haven't done shit but be coddled. They stay on a fuckin cell phone and sit on their ass and think theirworks e in their prod. Just think about it, you can't go in a drive thru anything right or takand actually get what you ordered. Very rarely do people take pride in any damn thing they do anymore Fuck those dumbasses Frank!