Sidearms & Scatterguns Which caliber for Kriss Vector SBR?

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help me decide on a caliber for my next sbr...

I already have a scorpion in 9mm and a tavor conversion in 9mm. I also own a glock 19 9mm, a glock 20 10mm, and an FNX Tactical 45 ACP.

in short, I always have each caliber on hand with the most 9mm, then 45, then 10mm. I run 90% suppressed so 45 and 9 seem like the best bets but I just think a 10mm carbine would be wicked cool...

Let me know your vote for the first caliber!
 
10mm man. You already have a gun to shoot cheap 9mm, Grab something to shoot full power house loads. Wouldn't make a bad hunting gun either with buffalo bore or underwood 10mm loads.
 
.45 suppressed, 10mm unsuppressed (if mags isn't a problem). You don't want to fuck with suppressing 10mm or .40 for that matter, trust me, not worth it. In short, the gas volume from 10mm is far more than 9mm or .45 and on top of it is a high pressure load. So unless you want a giant can, go with the .45 or 9mm, they suppress better. 9mm is high pressure on par with 10mm, but it uses far less powder and therefore far less gas is produced that needs to be slowed. Consider how loud a 147gr. 9mm is anyway and the size of can it takes to suppress that. Really think you can suppress more than twice the gas in the same size package for the same performance? Really? .

Not to be boner killer, trust me, I wanted one so bad I was going to have one custom made since they didn't exist at all in .40 or 10mm a few years back. 10mm is my FAVORITE pistol caliber, period. I have both Glocks and a 1006, all tanks that can handle full max and over max loads, especially the 1006. I love everything about the ten, especially how forgiving it is with handloads compared to .40. But after extensive conversations with engineers and various mfg.'s, and going back to the board and just looking at the math since that's my gig, it was obvious from the start that 10mm isn't worth suppressing. Can it be done? Yeah, but it's never gonna be as good suppressed as the others. And if it is, it'll need to be overbuilt. Expect it to work more like a rifle suppressor, so you may as well just stick with 155's loaded to the max and since it won't matter, just go with the highest KE.

Plus, you state you plan on firing this 90% suppressed... Assuming you want maximum suppression, penetration and diameter of wound channel, it's kind of a no-brainier: .45 is heavier by 30 grains, larger by .05 calibers or about 1mm, is already subsonic at normal loadings. There are also expanding bullets for the .45 that will actually expand at those velocities too, good luck with that and the ten, without velocity they tend to either close up, plug up or do nothing at all. May as well use FMJ, better penetration. 9mm's claim to fame is that it suppresses well with 147's which use like a pinch of powder to propel it, has low recoil and high capacity lending itself well for that kind of duty. 10mm has none of these attributes the .45 and 9 possess, so why would you want to suppress it? Now a moderator may make sense, I use those a lot myself but I have as many cans as I do rifles. A moderator will take the full power 10mm load and take down the dB's to a more manageable level and they are only about 5". Keeps length down on PDWs, doesn't blow my eardrums out so I'm deaf for a week without earpro and still allows full power ammo. Now that's a different scenario but it's the only scenario I'd consider with respect to suppressing a ten.

I learned a LOT trying to suppress my tens. Now and again I still think how cool it would be, but then reality kicks in. Basically, when it comes to handgun calibers, what works best is .22, 9mm and .45. .380 has a bit of a following but I think it's more movie oriented (James Bond) than real. There is a reason most cans are built for that and it's not just because they are the most common calibers. And were I to go with the Kriss, and I have considered it, I'd have gone with the 9mm despite wanting the .45 or desiring the 10mm.

Since I can't get my hands on a proper PDW like the MP7, I use a 8.5" .300BLK AR w/HK stock, FF carbon fiber delta tube and iron sights along with a TBAC Ultra 5 for mine. Same KE as .45 with subs, but due to the cross sectional density of .30 compared to .45 in similar weights, the .30 has FAR more penetration and also FAR more range (nearly 400m in fact). So pistol caliber rifles have completely fallen by the wayside around here, but we DO have five Blackouts, all but one an SBR.

Good luck, hope this helps because I've been there, done that. Up to a point anyway.
 
.45 suppressed, 10mm unsuppressed (if mags isn't a problem).

Not to be boner killer, trust me, I wanted one so bad I was going to have one custom made since they didn't exist at all in .40 or 10mm a few years back. 10mm is my FAVORITE pistol caliber, period.

Plus, you state you plan on firing this 90% suppressed... Assuming you want maximum suppression, penetration and diameter of wound channel, it's kind of a no-brainier.

Good luck, hope this helps because I've been there, done that. Up to a point anyway.

Great insight. I currently use my Silencerco Octane 45 to suppress my Glock 20 shooting full power loads and, while nowhere near as effective as on my FNX .45 or P226 9mm it really does a surprisingly great job overall.

This would only serve as a fun toy to compliment other existing platforms. I also enjoy the merits of the 300 blackout but for personal defense my Keltec KSG with a Salvo shooting Aguila 7.5 shot and slugs fills the home protection niche.

I already have a CZ Scorpion and Tavor in 9mm but i stockpile the 147s as they are so much fun to shoot.

I guess I'm struggling to decide as I really like the look, feel, and concept of the vector but don't really have a defined purpose for it. All of the important firearm roles in my collection are already meet by other firearms - this would just be for the he'll of it cuz it's a cool sbr :) The 10mm gives it a separate purpose as a hog/hunting platform but 9mm and 45 certainly get the nod for pleasant shooting suppressed.

Perhaps this is more a matter of inquiring for why each of you would choose which caliber of you were buying a vector "just cuz" :)
 
I really considered an SBR in 9mm (there are a lot more mag options and even drums that'll fit if chambered in 9mm). 9mm also suppresses better than the others though .45 ain't bad (though less rounds, heavier mags and limited options on mags/drums --if there are drums-- and the extensions or longer Kriss mags are costly).

So I considered a folding SBR in 9mm mated to an Omega 9k. Turns out it's just as heavy and just as long (compared to an 8.5" AR w/HK stock and 5" TBAC Ultra which is ~24"OAL). I'd rather have the punch of the .300BLK over 9mm any day --or any pistol caliber for that matter.

The HK MP7 looks promising, but it's a no-go. I hear they plan on making one in 5.7FN and there may be ammo that'll make it useful, but until something light and compact, moreso than the .300BLK, and with good 200m ballistics comes out, ie, a REAL PDW, I'll have to stick with the .300BLK.

And I love the Kriss, it's a beautiful weapon but it's just too damn heavy and too damn weak for it's size. For instance, it's 5.5"bbl. generates less velocity than does my Glock G17L.

However, if you don't plan on suppressing it and can go with 10mm (mags aren't a problem?) then it may be useful but still in limited ways IMO.

Unless pistol caliber weapons are full auto and hopefully with 8"bbl.s or so, they don't bring much to the table.

And FWIW, I think a dedicated pistol lower (9mm again has more options regarding feeding devices) AR SBR, Glock mags or not, with an HK style stock and 5.5"bbl. would be lighter, cheaper and more compact than the Kriss.

I looked into this a lot before I just abandoned the idea of a pistol caliber rifle. Always wanted one, but everytime I go through the calculus, I wind up back at square one: .300BLK is just better until more compact PDW options become available, like perhaps the MP7 chambered in 5.7FN with the right ammo.

Just my .02, please don't pillory me.
 
I hear you - I already have a 300 BLK upper that I run on both a pistol and SBR lower. However, I love diverse platforms that share components. I have a 9mm Scorpion SBR as well and love that for what it is, but ive always been fond of the vector for many reasons.

Regarding weight, the MP5 is heavy as well at 6.5 lbs. The vector pistol without a Brace/Stock weighs roughly 6 lbs (just under) and about the same with Brace/Stock.

I have a Tavor 9mm Conversion with 200 rounds through it that I'm selling and I'd like a true pistol caliber platform to replace it. Vector seems to be the coolest alternative in that regard and a fun addition to a collection.
 
Revisiting this old thread, would a 10mm Kriss run reliably if you shoot .40s&w though it?(i'm pretty aware of the safety considerations)