Who uses the Wilson Arbor Press System......

[dariof]

What is your runout using the Wilson arbor press with the stainless neck die and stainless seater die.

I've read concentricity is less than. 001, but before I spend a few hundred dollars, I'd like to hear from some folks here.

 

[Jig Stick]

FWIW, when my buddys are shooting their 6PPC's or competing with them, all they ever use to reload at the range or at the competition is an arbor press. They load hundreds of rounds on site with them. I don't think you need to worry about excess run out while using them.

 

[dddoo7]

I quit checking runout after the first 50 rounds or so. You will be pleased with Wilson dies.


--Daniel

 

[dariof]

I use Wilson micrometer dies as well as a host of other types. Runout and portability isn't the reason to use an arbor. The ability to judge seating pressure is a key reason arbors are used.


Jt

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Can you please elaborate? Is the seating pressure and even neck tension more important than runout?

 

[dariof]

I quit checking runout after the first 50 rounds or so. You will be pleased with Wilson dies.


--Daniel

Do these Wilson dies have to be used with their Arbor press, or can they be adopted to the 1 7/8 presses?

 

[dddoo7]

The Wilson dies cannot be used with a standard press. You will need an arbor press. I have a k&n and love it. The only other option is to use a hammer instead of a press. It is crude, but it works.


--Daniel

 

[Powermac]

I use a 21st century hydro bullet seater, arbor press and Wilson and Sinclairs new inline seaters.
Diver is correct that you have an increased level of feel compared to a, normal single stage press and it will give you better feedback about seating pressure, witch will let you sort out any abnormities, and can actually tell you a bit about your reloading procedures and they're effect in some cases. And it does not only tell you about neck tension, it can be other factors that gives you a higher amount of seating force.

Currently i think that the 21st century, hydro bullet seater and the direct leverage arbor are the best out there.
The hydro seater gives an actual reading of seating pressure in PSI instead of doing it by feel so it is more accurate, then a normal arbor press.
K&M also has a similar model but the 21st version is in my opinion a better product that gives more accurate readings, mostly due to it's design, it also costs more though.

I do sort my loaded ammunition by seating pressure and it helps reduce my sd/es by doing so.
And i have found for my rifles they seem to produce the best es/sd numbers when seating pressure on the press is between 25 and 40 PSI.

As for runout if you use a good single stage press and threaded dies, there will normally not be much difference between them.
I do not believe you will notice any useful accuracy difference with half a thousand extra runout.
But having the wrong neck tension for your rifle, or big variances can produce a large difference at longer range at least.
As for the protability yes the arbor system is easier to move around if you only load on the range, then a traditional big single stage press can be a bit inconvenient and for such a purpose i'd buy a Harrel's precision press if using threaded dies.
So there is not all that much to gain there either.

Another point for me when choosing to use a arbor press and inline seaters is that i do my sizing and seating in two different operatoions and it saves me time when reloading, at least the way i do it.

 

[lightman]

I've used a Sinclair arbor press and Wilson dies for a few years now. I can hold runout to .001 or less. By working slow and careful, I can obtain about the same with my Redding dies and my Rockchucker. Wilson or other brand of hand dies are meant to be used in a arbor press and will not work in a press using threaded dies. Arbor presses are portable and can easily be taken to the range, as many benchrest shooters do. They also let you have a good feel for seating pressure, as others have stated. Arbor presses are for neck sizing and bullet seating, not for full length sizing.

 

[Fuzzball]

You're agonizing over the wrong things, the press hardly matters and, contrary to what you may read, precision reloading doesn't come in a box of the 'right' tools! If that were true all top shooters would be using the same tools ... and they don't.

Easily portable arbor presses came into use for neck sizing at early BR matches for assembling small quanities of ammo at a time, typically five or ten rounds. Ammo is made in the dies; a press does nothing but push cases into the dies and all presses do that. Given the same quality dies and components and loading skill, anyone can load as precisely on an inexpensive Lee Challenger press as an arbor press. An arbor press is limited to neck sizing (which is no guarantee of better results on target) and is a PITA for reloading much volume.

Unless you want to shoot in serious BR competition forget arbor presses, just get some good (threaded) dies and learn how to develop a really good reload.

 

[DocB]

Dariof,

I've got Wilson and Redding seating/sizing dies in six calibers. The Redding dies are used in a Dillon 550 B, they produce the same amount of runout as the Wilsons. With either setup, I can feel when the seating pressure doesn't match the feel of the of previous bullets. Consistent neck thickness, hardness, neck sizing and cleanliness all make a difference in your finished rounds.

HTH,
DocB

 

[Victor N TN]

I've used the Wilson dies with both regular top and micrometer top and a Sinclair arbor press to shoot 22 PPC and 6PPC shooting benchrest since 1994. I also use Redding Comp seater dies in my RockChucker press for long range ammo. They both produce comparable ammo. Case prep is where the difference between the 2 is going to show up.

 

[dariof]

I've used the Wilson dies with both regular top and micrometer top and a Sinclair arbor press to shoot 22 PPC and 6PPC shooting benchrest since 1994. I also use Redding Comp seater dies in my RockChucker press for long range ammo. They both produce comparable ammo. Case prep is where the difference between the 2 is going to show up.

What type of case prep? My runout is fairly low (.001-.0015) until I use my Forster seating die, then the runout is all over the place.

 

[Victor N TN]

Clean the inside the case necks with some kind of powder solvent on a bronze brush. RCBS makes handles that will fit the threads on the brushes. You have got to get all the burned powder residue and junk off the case necks if you want them to spin right. When you spin them checking the bullet, take the opportunity to check the outside the case as well. It you have uneven case neck walls, it will cause runout also.

 

[icu812]

If your necks aren't turned perfectly, seating the bullet will force any neck variations to the outside. Thats my guess anyway.

 

[Victor N TN]

If your necks aren't turned perfectly, seating the bullet will force any neck variations to the outside. Thats my guess anyway.

You are correct sir.