Why do democrats dislike the middle class?

[OldSalty]

So was thinking, maybe some of our SH democrats can help answer the posted question.

Why do democrats dislike the middle class?

In one breath they talk about "Trumps tax cut" not helping the middle class (which it did), while in the next breath they want to raise taxes?

So, why? I am genuinely interested.

 

[Lapuapalooza]

It’s because if you make it to the middle class you are more likely to want to keep the money you worked for and establish the ability to think for yourself, therefore making a Democrat politician unnecessary and obsolete.

Sorry. Disregard my post. I’m not a Democrat...

 

[x_789]

They don't like anyone.

 

[Mwalex]

As @Lapuapalooza said, when you work to get to middle class you understand how things work. You understand the effort needed to better yourself and how hard it was to get there. You understand that you want to keep as much of your earnings for you, and your family, as possible. There is a good chance you will not vote Demokrat.

 

[Alabusa]

They do not like anyone that doesn't rely on their programs to live.

 

[theLBC]

democrat base pays zero federal income taxes. 44% of those that filed last year paid nothing, and many got a check anyway.

 

[atepointer]

Dem party used to be the party of the working class, unions and rural families. Now it's the party of coastal elites, millenial socialists and the perpetually aggrieved.

 

[W54/XM-388]

The Democrats were ALL about the "Middle Class" when the middle class could be counted on to be a bunch of union members who would do exactly what their corrupt union bosses told them to and vote for whatever democrat they were told to.

They also didn't like immigrants (legal or otherwise) because they felt they would vote Republican. You should see how much the Democrats of CA loved the idea of refugees from Vietnam coming over back in the 60s and 70s.....

But once the middle class started to get tired of doing what they were told and think for themselves, especially as the Democrats (which if you really look at it, back in the 50s, 60s and 70s were not all that different from Republicans today), drifted into fringe areas and special interest groups and perverts took over the democrat party, then the party needed a new source of voters.

So the next and hugely successful idea was after they lost the fight on civil rights, to turn around and tell all those people they just tried to deny rights to, that somehow they were their best friends because... we'll give you a handout.... while destroying you....
It worked so well, they next realized they could use it on immigrants.... why bother coming here legally or working..... just come on over and vote for us and we'll give you a handout and free everything.

People that work for a living tend to dislike those that get everything for free and those that hand out their money to those that don't work.
Unless they are getting enough of a kickback themselves to feel okay about it.

 

[pmclaine]

A free society requires a healthy middle class.

Watch as China develops a middle class, Communisms days will be numbered.

How much have we lost in freedom from 2008 - 2016, perhaps even now, when the middle class has been under attack?

My tin foil hat says the opiod crisis is another cudgel used to erode the middle class.

Commiecrats need dependency in order to "control".

If you are healthy enough to be buying trucks, going on vacation and educating your kids, you will be hard to control.

 

[I SHOOT]

Democrats hate the middle class because most are intelligent enough to see through their bullshit
I find it hard to understand why anyone that works
Would vote for a Democrat JMO

 

[wade2big]

Come on @OldSalty, you know better than to ask a Democrat a question and expect to get an honest answer.

A true sniper’s hide democrat would come in here and tell you they dislike the middle class because its full of racists. Hell they will probably call you a racist bigot for asking that question.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Cause we buy guns and ammo.....lots of guns....lots of ammo.....

 

[I SHOOT]

Come on @OldSalty, you know better than to ask a Democrat a question and expect to get an honest answer.

A true sniper’s hide democrat would come in here and tell you they dislike the middle class because its full of racists. Hell they will probably call you a racist bigot for asking that question.

Classic response (your racist) for those to DUMB to
Answer the question!

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Middle class help each other as well as those in need less fortunate. Democrats view this as competition. These dumb motherfuckers think they can eliminate things like crowd funding. No need to ever have to help another human being. The very core of living right. Seriously, they think helping others is best left up to them. They don't understand that helping out your fellow man is good for the soul. They are down to selling this shit now.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The Democrats don't dislike the Middle Class...... They Fear the Middle Class.

Hobo

 

[Darayavaus]

because the communists have hated the middle class since back when the word "bourgeoisie" was popular. It's a intrinsic piece of their DNA.

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• n.
  The middle class.
• n.
  In Marxist theory, the social group opposed to the proletariat in the class struggle.

 

[I SHOOT]

The Democrats don't dislike the Middle Class...... They Fear the Middle Class.

Hobo

Possibly the most correct post!! So far

 

[Jgunner]

The only middle class democrats i run into are into education, women, office jobs or are “poc”. If you are male, middle class and white, you are the enemy. Thats what they’ve been taught.

 

[mdmp5]

They hate independent thinkers; anyone who isn’t easily influenced by buzz words and 3 minutes of mainstream news. These people are worthless to them. The majority of these people happen to be in the middle class.

 

[Lesch]

No same, think for yourself, rational, normal person would ever be a lib. Give me one example of a lib that has any of those qualities......can't fo it. They dont exist.

 

[broncoaz]

I’m actually very interested the original question and wish someone from the Democrat side would give some reasonable answers. The Trump tax cuts lowered my rates from 16.8% to 14.0%, saving me thousands of dollars annually that I can put back in the economy, causing jobs, growth, and additional tax revenue. Had the gov’t kept that money it couldn’t grow like it does when I spend it and others spend it again and again.

Warren keeps saying that the offset in medical costs will cover the increase in taxes to pay for single payer, but the math doesn’t add up for me. I pay $5700 in medical premiums annually plus our deductibles could be another $7000 in a bad year for the wife and I for a total of $12700. Doubling my tax rate to 28% would cost me far more than $12700.

Here is an article from The Atlantic discussing the challenges of Medicare for all and the taxes it would demand.

The Eye-Popping Cost of Medicare for All

According to new figures: more than the federal government will spend over the coming decade on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[quietmike]

It's long been said the dems are for the poor and repubs are for the rich.
The hidden implication of that is dems have a vested interest in maintaining and expanding the poverty class lest they lose their constituency, and power.

Dems talk a good game, but where are the results? Every inner city slum has "enjoyed" uninterrupted democrat control for decades and they're still slums. IS there even one example of the a place that was a crime infested, poverty stricken wateland that was turned around by liberal policies? The opposite can be shown all day. Once prosperous areas that turned into slums after democrats took over.

 

[theLBC]

No same, think for yourself, rational, normal person would ever be a lib. Give me one example of a lib that has any of those qualities......can't fo it. They dont exist.

while not disagreeing with your sentiment, it might be over-simplified.
there are lots of rational people that consider themselves liberal, in the 1980 sense of what liberal means.
the problem is, "liberal" doesn't mean what it used to, and it has been replaced with a far left authoritarian version.

liberal used to mean...
you didn't care whether gay people got "married".
and now it means...
you don't care in men in dresses use the bathroom with your little girls, or if boys are dressed up like female hookers to entertain men.

liberal used to mean...
you didn't really want the gardener to be deported after mowing your lawns for 20 years.
and now it means...
you don't care if illegal alien rapists and child molesters are released into the streets. the more the better.

liberal used to mean...
you didn't care if your taxes were used to help poor people that are down on their luck
and now it means...
you want people to be dependent on government welfare and entitlements because that is a vote factory.

liberal used to mean...
you wanted the kids to get the best education possible, regardless of cost to taxpayers.
and now it means...
you protect public school failure factories in poor communities because they churn out welfare voters by the thousands every year..

liberal used to mean...
you didn't want young girls or rape victims to be forced to have babies.
and now it means...
you celebrate every abortion and you don't care if they kill "it" even after it is born. why use a condom when you can just kill it?

liberal used to mean...
you didn't think anything was fundamentally wrong with trying to give impoverished minorities a leg up.
and now it means...
all white people are bad, and the world would be better off without white people.

/something like that.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Because their masters told them to.

 

[Triple BB]

I'm a registered republican with conservative values. However, I'm not convinced either party gives a schitt about the middle class. We got a nice break with Trumps tax cuts. That was little more than throwing out a bone to the middle class to get the law passed. The wealthy were the primary beneficiaries as well as corporate America. As I remember it, individual tax cuts phase out in a few years and corporate America's cuts are permanent. What this country needs is a true third party to represent the middle class...

 

[theLBC]

I'm a registered republican with conservative values. However, I'm not convinced either party gives a schitt about the middle class. We got a nice break with Trumps tax cuts. That was little more than throwing out a bone to the middle class to get the law passed. The wealthy were the primary beneficiaries as well as corporate America. As I remember it, individual tax cuts phase out in a few years and corporate America's cuts are permanent. What this country needs is a true third party to represent the middle class...

you are right on all counts, however i would counter that the corporation i work for had given almost no merit raises or even cola for the previous 10 years (unless your boss was able to change your title to justify a raise).
since the tax cuts, most of the people in my department have been getting raises the last 2 years, including me.
this is on top of a 3% cut in my effective federal income taxes (despite limits on salt deductions).

you are right about rich people though.
instead of paying $20 million in taxes, they only have to pay 18 million, so they get $1,997,000 more than me from these breaks.
unfair!

 

[ditter]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

 

[broncoaz]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

Unfortunately the Democratic Party is being corrupted by the extreme left that appears to believe the “now it means” statements. AOC, Bernie, Warren, and their minions are pushing the “now it means” positions as the party norm under the guise of social justice and democratic socialism. The average Democrat is like you and is moderate and normal, just like the average Republican is moderate and normal. My party is often corrupted by the religious right and pro life wackos who are highly offensive to your party. It’s time for the silent majorities in both parties to take their parties back and meet in the middle with some compromise like we had during the Clinton administration.

I, a fiscally conservative and socially liberal republican, can currently agree with all of the “used to mean” statements except one. “you wanted the kids to get the best education possible, regardless of cost to taxpayers.” This offends me because of the “regardless of cost to taxpayers” because of how much waste and corruption there is in public education these days. Union pension legacy costs and excessive administrative staff are straining the school budgets in the two areas I’m familiar with, there needs to be controls on cost instead of the taxpayers writing a blank check. I pay plenty in taxes already, I’d much rather save additional tax monies for my own retirement (since SS will likely be bankrupt) than piss it away on more gov’t waste.

 

[theLBC]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

i can't think of one city controlled by democrats that is better than before they took over.
democrats run the worst performing school districts in the country.
when they are in control, people lose jobs.

the democrat politicians say all the right things, but they have never helped anyone except by accident or in spite.
democrats cannot actually help a large number of people because they rely on people getting entitlements to vote for them.

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[theLBC]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.

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[quietmike]

I'm a registered republican with conservative values. However, I'm not convinced either party gives a schitt about the middle class. We got a nice break with Trumps tax cuts. That was little more than throwing out a bone to the middle class to get the law passed. The wealthy were the primary beneficiaries as well as corporate America. As I remember it, individual tax cuts phase out in a few years and corporate America's cuts are permanent. What this country needs is a true third party to represent the middle class...

Corporations don't pay taxes. Their consumers do through higher prices on finished goods.

 

[Slow Loris]

The Democrat party today is an alliance of those who work for government, those dependent on government, and those who use government to expand their power and wealth. The Middle Class is a pretty opaque term, but if it's people that are a making a good living independent of government then they're not part of that alliance, and a threat to its supremacy.

[...]
I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

Why would you? All the real KKK members were Democrats.

 

[Lapuapalooza]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

May I ask why you are a registered Democrat? It sounds like you are an old school blue dog Democrat. I am curious because of where leadership is leading your party, and how that blends with your belief system.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

So let me get this straight.

You are a "registered Democrat" who claims to "own guns". BUT, you vote for people who want to ban guns, magazines for guns, ammunition for guns and who excuse every murderer who uses a gun and who blame every law abiding gun owner for the criminals behavior.

You support a political party that in it's self-loathing hatred is attempting to destroy the middle class and force every citizen into poverty and force government run healthcare down everyone's throat.

You support a political party that is virulently anti-law enforcement, unless the law enforcement is politically motivated against the sitting president or conservatives.

You support a political party that does not believe in national borders or the rule of law.

Why on earth would you call a "Republican" a KKK member? The KKK was formed and founded by Democrats. This is simply another case of yet another Democrat trying to project their own beliefs and past behaviors on people they disagree with politically.

When Democrats say something mindless like "the 1% is taking all the money". It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of even basic economics. If I try and explain that the way the bottom 50% can slow down the accumulation of wealth by the uber rich is to save/invest their money instead of buying more tatts and weed or a new iPhone23 it falls on deaf and dumb ears.

Your political party is most certainly at war with working Americans. If families are able to afford to live debt free or close to it, can find jobs with decent benefits and quality healthcare and can send their kids to college with a minimum of debt and save enough for a reasonably comfortable retirement.......................your party dies.

Since you are a Democrat, can you explain why people should not have ID to vote? Do you honestly think black people cannot find the driver's license office?

 

[pmclaine]

I’m actually very interested the original question and wish someone from the Democrat side would give some reasonable answers. The Trump tax cuts lowered my rates from 16.8% to 14.0%, saving me thousands of dollars annually that I can put back in the economy, causing jobs, growth, and additional tax revenue. Had the gov’t kept that money it couldn’t grow like it does when I spend it and others spend it again and again.

Warren keeps saying that the offset in medical costs will cover the increase in taxes to pay for single payer, but the math doesn’t add up for me. I pay $5700 in medical premiums annually plus our deductibles could be another $7000 in a bad year for the wife and I for a total of $12700. Doubling my tax rate to 28% would cost me far more than $12700.

Here is an article from The Atlantic discussing the challenges of Medicare for all and the taxes it would demand.

The Eye-Popping Cost of Medicare for All

According to new figures: more than the federal government will spend over the coming decade on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined.

www.theatlantic.com

First off a Democrat will accuse you of lying about any tax cut you realized.......

In my AO the response to the tax cut was the Dems raising local taxes.

Now I gots my Gov wanting to add a 17% gas tax - a never Trumper rino.

 

[pmclaine]

I'm a registered republican with conservative values. However, I'm not convinced either party gives a schitt about the middle class. We got a nice break with Trumps tax cuts. That was little more than throwing out a bone to the middle class to get the law passed. The wealthy were the primary beneficiaries as well as corporate America. As I remember it, individual tax cuts phase out in a few years and corporate America's cuts are permanent. What this country needs is a true third party to represent the middle class...

I think he got what he could with a Paul Ryan Congress in place.

That establishment voted to keep Ocare, had no replacement despite 6 years of saying they would replace it and steered the tax cut toward the Chamber of Commerce.

Trump is not blameless though. He seems to spend money with the best of the Dems.

Perhaps in 2020 he will have a more Tea Party Congress and he will fire every Executive worker and make them resubmit resumes. He needs to get rid of the enemies in his midst.

 

[pmclaine]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

If you have read the platform.........you are probably no longer a Democrat.

Its not 1960 anymore.

and by the way......the Dems were the KKK in 1960.

 

[Howland]

Democrats love the middle class. Really.

During campaigns.

After the election we go back to being those evil rich people who need to be taught a lesson.

 

[pmclaine]

Can you explain why people should not have ID to vote? Do you honestly think black people cannot find the driver's license office?

Dems required ID to enter their convention.

Note the hypocrisy now how they put the emphasis on Electoral delegates in the primaries having awarded delegate count supersede the popular vote.

Strange that electoral process matters in party politics but not national elections.

Oh I get it........they can rig their own internal electoral process to subvert the will of Dem voters but they are pissed when those pesky kids in Wyoming have a say and cant be fucked out of their say.

Don't ever forget both parties are corporations that will put good of party ahead of country.


Edit/Add - Truly interested to see if he answers your question - most (all to this point, but Im holding out hope) never do.

 

[EddieNFL]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

So who do you think is our best bet for the next president?

 

[EddieNFL]

Corporations don't pay taxes. Their consumers do through higher prices on finished goods.

No business pays taxes. A one-man shop collects and forwards taxes the same as Apple.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Classic response (your racist) for those to DUMB to
Answer the question!

Wuuut??

 

[The DFC]

They don't like anyone.

Exactly-not even themselves.

 

[wade2big]

Im a registered Democrat and know lots of Democrats. I can tell you I've never met anyone who believes in your "now it means....." NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. But I do believe in ALL of your "used to mean....."
I dont hate the middle class. I'm in the middle class.
I dont hate white people. I am white.
I dont want to take your guns. I own guns.

I know lots of Republicans as well. They are good people. I've never called one a KKK member and they have never called me a baby killer.

The right questions were asked of you and examples shown to you already. I hope you reply back because I would like to know your thoughts. I will include a few of my thoughts as well

If you really are like you described, dems have a habit of lying even when they don’t need to, how could you support the democrats of the last 10 years? These guys are true destroyers of anything held dear to the working class. It has always been easy to see for the people who actually pay attention, and since Trump has been in office it has been easy to see even to the blind, deaf, and dumb. A vote to today's democrat party, considering they completely showed their true agenda the last three years, is a vote against indiidual liberty, responsibility, and true American values. It’s an attack on the Republic. I don’t see how it can be taken any other way.

 

[atepointer]

The right questions were asked of you and examples shown to you already. I hope you reply back because I would like to know your thoughts. I will include a few of my thoughts as well

If you really are like you described, dems have a habit of lying even when they don’t need to, how could you support the democrats of the last 10 years. These guys are true destroyers of anything held dear to the working class. It has always been easy to see for to people who actually pay attention, and since Trump has been in office it has been easy to see even to the blind, deaf, and dumb. A vote to today's democrat party, considering they completely outed themselves the last three years, is a vote against indiidual responsibility and true American values. It’s an attack on the Republic.

Ascribing old school Democrat platforms to the 2020 Dem party is not even a stretch it's a contradiction. I see this struggle in an extended family member who has said she feels like she is betraying her parents by not sticking with the Dems. She has a lot of memories of old school Democrats and has placed her identity in the Democrat party affiliation, but struggles mightily with what they actually stand for at this point in history.

 

[quietmike]

Ascribing old school Democrat platforms to the 2020 Dem party is not even a stretch it's a contradiction.

Amen. If a democrat president today said "Ask not what your country can do for you", dems would scream at the sky and run for a safe space.

 

[I SHOOT]

Wuuut??

Classic response from most liberals when being presented with facts or being ask questions that challenge their agenda is "you must be racist"

 

[EddieNFL]

Ascribing old school Democrat platforms to the 2020 Dem party is not even a stretch it's a contradiction. I see this struggle in an extended family member who has said she feels like she is betraying her parents by not sticking with the Dems. She has a lot of memories of old school Democrats and has placed her identity in the Democrat party affiliation, but struggles mightily with what they actually stand for at this point in history.

My parents were (southern) democrats. Didn't take me long after Carter's election to decide I wasn't.

They switched when Reagan ran.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I'm pretty sure Kennedy today would be considered a dangerous conservative right wing conspiracy loving republican who was going to do untold damage to the banking class.....

 

[Don-n-Texas]

Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy was right