Why do we pay taxes?

I bet if we had to "pay" our tax instead of "deductions" from payroll, people would be a lot more pissed at how much is taken.

Out of the depths of dead threads. Not only would they be more pissed about the amount, they would also pay a lot more attention to how it’s spent! I’m guessing those doing the spending might pay a lot more attention as well for the fear that those writing the real checks might get pissed off and all stop all of a sudden.

But then again I’m thinking in a logical manner from the standpoint of fiscal responsibility and that doesn’t exactly describe how most politicians think, so it probably wouldn’t play out that way.

It’s going to be interesting to see what the Elon and Vivek will do to tighten things up.
 
Sorry for reviving this thread. Anyone had any tax problems lately?
Yes, I pay entirely too much of them to people who hate me
Our government should be so well ran, "We The People" would keep it up just through donations.
An organization that runs on donations is not a government/state. That’s a business
 
An organization that runs on donations is not a government/state. That’s a business

Imagine what our government would be like if it was a business, held to the same accountability as a business

I agree with abolishing the federal withholding in favor of a lump sum payment due in quarterly payments, that would make some people's heads explode and put their representatives on notice.

It would be similar to what is about to happen with the illegal alien situation, left with little source of income and a huge deficit to overcome.
 
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In short, so foreign exporters don’t have to pay the historic US Tariffs imposed on them.

They bribed and manipulated key members of the Senate, Treasury, and House back from 1911-1913 to finally get both Federal Income Tax passed (with no caps, initially only for taxing the rich), then created a hybrid European banker cartel with a US label on it.

It was all designed to fleece the American people as debt slaves, where foreign masters who couldn’t conquer us militarily hijacked our monetary policy and government.

The legacy old money European bankers didn’t want to leave their investments up to the booms and busts of the 1800s US economy without better controls for them. Then came Bretton Woods at the end of WWII where “free trade” was used to establish global markets, where all the nations could sell their raw materials and products between each other without tariffs in the US.

Because we’re so prosperous, we get the shaft footing the bill for all of this while foreigners enjoy exploiting our system.

It’s why I’m so looking forward to tariffs. We don’t need a lot of the crap that is imported anyway, while every country that exports to us relies heavily on those exports.

We’re the largest economy in the world, 2nd largest exporter (of high value-added goods and services), but exports are only 15% of our GDP. Nobody has anything like that, so we have bargaining power that is basically one-way.

Under Trump, our biggest trade partners came to the table and asked for some demands. His negotiators said, “That’s nice.” Then slid over the contracts and they signed them, even if we totally ignored what they requested because nobody wants to compromise their relationship with the largest oil refiner, petroleum services provider, defense systems manufacturer, heavy industries, machinery, automobile, computer, software, programmer, advanced electronics, financial services, precursory chemicals, Nation.